Yannick Willox

1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

I would have demanded three dozens of them earlier if I knew what I know today ?

If you would have done that, you could have earned 33840 GBP today if you'd sold them on Ebay !

FYI if you tell me how long you have been using pro camera's, and the P4K really works for you, that is quite clear to me. Whenever I get around to buying a new cam, this will be it, unless I wait until 2021 ? It really is a no-brainer for my situation.

The joke about the battery was a joke ... No downvotes or a pointer to power solutions needed.

I either need 3h battery (=wall power) or 40 min handheld (albeit short) is enough for those occasions.

Anyway, the above example was shot in raw, how long can you go before you need to switch recording media ? Even on a 512 GB harddisk ?

I don't imagine being able to shoot a 2h concert in raw ? raw 4:1 should be about 700 GB ...

Luckily it is only 3min long, otherwise the 40min battery life could have been an issue.

Last year I was planning on getting a video assist 4K to complement my GX80 (to get around the 30min limit). 700 euro. Oh, and some batteries x2. And a hdmi cable. And some really expensive SD cards. The grand total of all this would have been more than a single P4K, T5 drive included. Without a resolve license. Without the original cost of the GX80.

While I agree 1h or 1h20 battery life would have been really nice to give us, it is not a deal breaker.

I thought those camera's were doorstops.

Anyway, to the OP, I prefer wired, analogue doorbells. They sound much better.

The positive I take from this vid then is even with awful grading, the P4K looks much better. Your two second grade does help, but it still makes the GH5 look quite bad IMO. She still needs to go and see a physician.

Maybe we looked at another video ?

The one I saw had a GH5 owner and user in it, and he admits the P4K is much better image wise (skintones !). They also show the GH5 stabilisation is great, but of course not as perfect as a gimbal.

This seems like quite an honest review. All the cons are mentioned, and then you have the image quality & price point.

10 hours ago, matthere said:

Has anyone with the camera tried any wide/ultra wide lenses yet? There seem to be reports of some focus issues..

http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?22425-Soft-edges-with-wide-angle-lenses-on-the-BMP4K

I downloaded a couple of pics, and if you correct the P4K shot to have the same FOV as the GX85, then the difference becomes small.

If you then notice the P4K is actually much sharper in the center than the GX85 (with both lenses !), I would start to think the P4K was actually in focus, and the GX85 not completely, making the difference at the edges less on the Gx85.

I am still patiently waiting on vids showing how good it is in uncropped Full HD, maybe comparing it to GH5s, GH3 XT3 etc et al.

I apologize for this. I wanted to react to this music vid months ago. The way this song has been produced is way below the talent of this artist. Somebody has the obligation to at least mention it to her.

recorded sound is my passion, as is music. So again, I apologize for my rather explicit post above.

1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

We are talking one persons Grading ability. I would not bet the farm on your statement. ?

There is no way you are Ever going to get this look, I have it posted it earlier, shot on a BMPCC, the original one, with a GH5, or a GH5s.

 

Could you please please stop posting this video ?

the voice has been so melodyned, it is the aural equivalent of the video looking like minecraft macroblocking.

the song is just plain awful, unlistenable. It sounds like a sick game or joke. I truly do not understand what the intention was, but the music sounds so much like total crap, that the overstylised visuals do not match at all. 

One big advantage of the gh5s is the multiaspectsensor... it is much wider with the same lens !

but the models skin looks much better to me on the p4k.

1 minute ago, Shirozina said:

It has an EVF which depending on your shooting style could be important.

Indeed. Personally I mostly put the camera on a tripod, and I don't understand how you can use a viewfinder, with the camera on a (cheapish) tripod. Probably on a 2000 dollar model you can...

I don't see where fanboyism comes in.

I was looking at a GH5s, but out of reach financially. Can anyone tell me what a GH5s does, that the P4K cannot do at least as good, except for battery life.

I know the battery life on a GH5s is good enough to show up at a concert and tape the entire 2h without needing a power socket, which is a big plus. On the other hand, for the price of one GH5s you buy 2 P4K, both come included with a power socket (optional on the GH5s), and for the same money I have two cameras.

If I want to save on storage, I could shoot the P4K at 1080P & prores LT. Now that would be an interesting comparison, the full HD of the GH5s versus P4K ? Amazing nobody looked at that angle yet. I thought one of the major gripes with current hybrid cams is that they are all optimized for 4K.

I am looking into a better camera for concert video recording, or short shoots of a few classical pieces. Currently I use a Gx80 for that.

The pocket 4k seems a very good option. Mainly tripod shots, fixed power available, I need decent low light, good focus assist, can attach an external battery if needed. Some shots I do handheld, but then 30min (admittedly very low, my GX80 goes 65 minutes) is OK for a couple of takes. The idea of attaching a SSD drive makes me quite happy as well.

Only, with p4k I cannot use my Ipad to do some quick edits ...

There seems to be far more “depth” in the skintones than what I have seen in my GX80 footage, or any GH5/5s footage I have seen so far.

I would like Andrew to go ahead with a review anyway ?

37 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

As for manual zooming, well, there are a couple of possibilities that I have been thinking about specifically for that but, again, its down to lens access for calibration. Its doable though as I can track the focal length position and then make focus offsets as it changes so I'm not saying no but just not yet *

 

Great !

Any news on your controller ?

Would the 8 focus points also work with an adapted 4/3 AF Lens ? That would breathe some new life in those. Problem is they go awfully out-of-focus when zooming, unless I could press a button on your controller at the same time ?

If you liked the gh2 and gh5, why not go for a gx80 plus 12-60 kit lens, can be found for 650-700 in the eu.

4k does not interest you, but you can still misuse it to have really good full HD.

Sorry, I read it wrong ... My mind put not so good battery life (?) and the 15min limit together. What I do not understand is, why does twice the battery double the 4K recording time ? Does the grip function as an extra heatsink ?

Anyway, the 30min recording limit on the Gx80 is what bothers me most, I need unlimited recording.

So, the delivery guy came by an hour ago. Just in time for my concert shoot tomorrow.

Quick test: it is only slightly sharper than my 14-50 4/3 Leica lens, but I will surely keep that one for MF, whenever I get a second body. I don't need crazy sharp anyway, and the old ones colors are slightly warmer.

12mm seems quite a bit wider than 14mm, also I need to put the 12-60 on +- 45mm to get the same field of view as 50mm on the 14-50mm ! The slight light falloff when zooming does not bother me at all. (if staring on f2.8)

Interestingly, on my gx80, the autofocus works brilliantly. On C-AF, I need to half press to refocus during record, or I can select continuous AF in the menu, and then it just focuses on anything I point to. If the GH5 is better, I don't see what all the fuss is about ?

Small test in my studio: while zooming in I cannot hear focussing sound. Maybe the slight adjustments that are made electronically cannot be heard. Anyway, halfpressing to force refocussing during zooming does not work. The focus happens when you stop moving the zoom ring. That would seem to indicate that the "parfocalness" of this lens is electronics.

Anyway, it works in MF as I hoped !

Did I mention 250g less ?

19 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:

What are you talking about? You don't need 6 batteries for one hour of recording. I did a overheating test when I first got the XT2, recorded an hour of video with consecutive takes and still had charge in the single battery I was using. Strawman.

SMH.

The thread is not about the XT2. The preliminary (?) specs of the x-h1 say clearly 15min of 4K, 30 min with the battery grip. Meaning, if you need 1h battery time, you will fail with just 4 batteries.

26 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:

Kind of a straw man argument, don't you think? You have to pay for Vlog, which brings the GH5 to about the same price as the XH1 with the grip - at least in the US. And unless you only shoot with a single battery for the GH5 for all of eternity - which seems unlikely - you're still spending roughly the same amount of cash once you add Panasonic batteries to the mix. So do you want 10-bit and 60p with the GH5, or a larger sensor, much better hybrid AF, cleaner files at higher ISO's, much better stills, better color profiles and more DR from Fuji? If you shoot stills and video, the Fuji is a much better choice IMO. YMMV.

Its good to have options. 

How are you going to charge 6 batteries, while using another 6 for the next 1h of continuous shoot ? Are they boing to be full when that hour has passed ?

You will need 18 of them, instead of 3-4 for the Panasonic. Of course, if that is not your scenario, no problem.

How this is a straw man's argument leaves me at a complete loss of words. I was making a point: if you need battery life, life will get expensive and complicat at the same time. Useless to some. Cleaner at high ISO, I don't know, some article about the sensor tech would indicate there is a problem ?

So you need the battery grip and 5 extra batteries to match the GH5 4K recording time with the one standard battery ? 

That is a price premium of around 600 euro ...