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So as I've hinted more than a few times in the other thread, the discovery of the Cinelike D and other bits and pieces for the GX80 etc was actually a bit of a happy accident while I was trying to do understand the Panasonic wifi stuff for something else.
And here is that something else.
Well at least a prototype of it but it is fully functioning and will just be finessed a bit more.
Basically, its a wireless hardware remote for the G series cameras that operates over wifi and can currently control record start/stop, shutter speed as well as aperture and focus if you're using a native lens, including a single shot AF switch.
For the non-Cinelike D cameras that can now be hacked to have Cinelike D there is also a dedicated button to toggle it on and off so you don't need to mess about with browsers and computers or smartphones anymore.
Focus and aperture control are done on a joystick and everything else is switches.
I'll be putting a layer switch on so that it can be toggled back and forth to a different control mode for ISO, WB and other stuff.
As this is the prototype it is nowhere near the finished piece and it will be reduced in form factor to just be about the size of the control board. Power is by any USB source so there are billions of options.
There is a lot more finessing and feature enhancement to go on with regard to the focus control (and yes, I know exactly what you'll all want it to do !) but the hard part is done now.
It does support the display of the values on a screen and I'll be sorting some options out for that.
The purpose of this gadget is primarily for use with a gimbal but it can also be really useful on a tripod bar for anyone shooting live event stuff. For cameras with inbuilt lenses I'm going to add a zoom mode on the joystick.
A very quick very rough demo so you can see it in action.
Any lag you might see between me operating the controller and the camera video is just a sync issue between me throwing the two recordings on very quickly  
 
 

So as I've hinted more than a few times in the other thread, the discovery of the Cinelike D and other bits and pieces for the GX80 etc was actually a bit of a happy accident while I was trying to do understand the Panasonic wifi stuff for something else.
And here is that something else.
Well at least a prototype of it but it is fully functioning and will just be finessed a bit more.
Basically, its a wireless hardware remote for the G series cameras that operates over wifi and can currently control record start/stop, shutter speed as well as aperture and focus if you're using a native lens, including a single shot AF switch.
For the non-Cinelike D cameras that can now be hacked to have Cinelike D there is also a dedicated button to toggle it on and off so you don't need to mess about with browsers and computers or smartphones anymore.
Focus and aperture control are done on a joystick and everything else is switches.
I'll be putting a layer switch on so that it can be toggled back and forth to a different control mode for ISO, WB and other stuff.
As this is the prototype it is nowhere near the finished piece and it will be reduced in form factor to just be about the size of the control board. Power is by any USB source so there are billions of options.
There is a lot more finessing and feature enhancement to go on with regard to the focus control (and yes, I know exactly what you'll all want it to do !) but the hard part is done now.
It does support the display of the values on a screen and I'll be sorting some options out for that.
The purpose of this gadget is primarily for use with a gimbal but it can also be really useful on a tripod bar for anyone shooting live event stuff. For cameras with inbuilt lenses I'm going to add a zoom mode on the joystick.
A very quick very rough demo so you can see it in action.
Any lag you might see between me operating the controller and the camera video is just a sync issue between me throwing the two recordings on very quickly  
 
 

So as I've hinted more than a few times in the other thread, the discovery of the Cinelike D and other bits and pieces for the GX80 etc was actually a bit of a happy accident while I was trying to do understand the Panasonic wifi stuff for something else.
And here is that something else.
Well at least a prototype of it but it is fully functioning and will just be finessed a bit more.
Basically, its a wireless hardware remote for the G series cameras that operates over wifi and can currently control record start/stop, shutter speed as well as aperture and focus if you're using a native lens, including a single shot AF switch.
For the non-Cinelike D cameras that can now be hacked to have Cinelike D there is also a dedicated button to toggle it on and off so you don't need to mess about with browsers and computers or smartphones anymore.
Focus and aperture control are done on a joystick and everything else is switches.
I'll be putting a layer switch on so that it can be toggled back and forth to a different control mode for ISO, WB and other stuff.
As this is the prototype it is nowhere near the finished piece and it will be reduced in form factor to just be about the size of the control board. Power is by any USB source so there are billions of options.
There is a lot more finessing and feature enhancement to go on with regard to the focus control (and yes, I know exactly what you'll all want it to do !) but the hard part is done now.
It does support the display of the values on a screen and I'll be sorting some options out for that.
The purpose of this gadget is primarily for use with a gimbal but it can also be really useful on a tripod bar for anyone shooting live event stuff. For cameras with inbuilt lenses I'm going to add a zoom mode on the joystick.
A very quick very rough demo so you can see it in action.
Any lag you might see between me operating the controller and the camera video is just a sync issue between me throwing the two recordings on very quickly  
 
 

I'm about to start a new thread with a practical application of all of this poking around that some of you may be interested in.......

This could get messy

The ISO trick works in video mode as well so you can have up to 50000 if you fancy it.
Higher shutter speeds than 4000 can be formed and sent to it and it will respond correctly to them if its in electronic mode but it won't go beyond 16000.
The flash sync speed is not something I've looked at. Is it an explicitly set value in any Lumix camera ?
Tele mode is something I've looked at brielfy but it didn't work as I expected it might but don't rule it out as I need it for my gadget so I'll be looking at it again.
Battery saving mode isnt something I've looked at as I don't think it's changeable from the app and is a camera only selection?
 
 
 
////// EDIT /////
For those wanting extended ISO
New updated HTML file with Cineline D, V, Hue controls and switchable extended ISOs of 6400/12800/25600/50000
 
DEPLOY CINELIKE D V HUE EXTENDED ISO.html

Which reminds me....
Updated html attached that will now let you have ISO100 in video mode.
Unfortunately, this setting does not persist on power cycle and can't be saved in the C settings so if you need it then you will have to deploy it through a browser each time.
For now at least....
///// EDIT ///////
The GX80 accepts but does not action these extended ISO modes in video so it is ISO200 to ISO6400 only for that. 
Thanks to @Rizky Ramadhan for the update
ISO50000 works for stills on GX80
The extended ISOs are working for me on a G7 so please feel free to chime in with results from other models
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DEPLOY CINELIKE D V HUE EXTENDED ISO V2.html

Thanks, I only had a G7 to hand at the time and just dug my GX80 out and it takes the ISO commands but doesn't action them in video mode.
ISO50000 in stills is a go though!
The Cinelike D Hue controls are definitely working on my GX80 though and I think I've seen a GX85 user confirm them on his somewhere else in the thread.

Fuji need Nikon's long lenses thats for sure.
Or more to the point, my Fuji's need my Nikon long lenses on them!
Which you could turn round and say means Nikon need Fuji's mirrorless bodies for their lenses.
Fuji want to get into the sports and photojournalism game in a big way and Nikon want to stay at the front of it with Canon (who you feel could push out a mirrorless quickly if the potential Sony threat actually materialises) so its a partnership that would get both of them where they want to be a bit quicker from that point of view.
If all that ever came of it was an autofocus F to X mount adapter it'd be worth it !
Sounds more like a deal that is to do with 'Japan stuff' (for want of a better way of describing cultural and/or political nuances that don't always seem obvious to Westerners like me) than it does with actual products though?

This could get messy

Fuji need Nikon's long lenses thats for sure.
Or more to the point, my Fuji's need my Nikon long lenses on them!
Which you could turn round and say means Nikon need Fuji's mirrorless bodies for their lenses.
Fuji want to get into the sports and photojournalism game in a big way and Nikon want to stay at the front of it with Canon (who you feel could push out a mirrorless quickly if the potential Sony threat actually materialises) so its a partnership that would get both of them where they want to be a bit quicker from that point of view.
If all that ever came of it was an autofocus F to X mount adapter it'd be worth it !
Sounds more like a deal that is to do with 'Japan stuff' (for want of a better way of describing cultural and/or political nuances that don't always seem obvious to Westerners like me) than it does with actual products though?

Fuji need Nikon's long lenses thats for sure.
Or more to the point, my Fuji's need my Nikon long lenses on them!
Which you could turn round and say means Nikon need Fuji's mirrorless bodies for their lenses.
Fuji want to get into the sports and photojournalism game in a big way and Nikon want to stay at the front of it with Canon (who you feel could push out a mirrorless quickly if the potential Sony threat actually materialises) so its a partnership that would get both of them where they want to be a bit quicker from that point of view.
If all that ever came of it was an autofocus F to X mount adapter it'd be worth it !
Sounds more like a deal that is to do with 'Japan stuff' (for want of a better way of describing cultural and/or political nuances that don't always seem obvious to Westerners like me) than it does with actual products though?

This could get messy

I think you'd have to go some way to beat this
 

I think you'd have to go some way to beat this
 

So, as some of you may know, I've been "experimenting" with having little chats with different Panasonic cameras over WiFi and after whispering in the GX80s ear last night, I may have come up with something quite interesting.
The first image is a grab from a GX80 using its Standard profile.
The second image is a grab from a GX80 that is definitely not using the Standard profile.......

Great effort.
The ed ones are for cameras such as the FZ2000 that can have the high bit rate.
These are what Panasonic refer to as editing type of formats and switch those cameras into MP4(LPCM) mode that the other cameras don't have.
From this systematic testing I think we can probably now put it to bed at least with the G7 regarding activating these different formats.
Unless there is some interaction when switching from a 'semi legal' format (the ones that say OK but dont go to the 4K24p setting) to a different 'semi legal' format but the number of permutations to test then becomes like adding another rotor wheel on the Enigma machine.
My view is that it confirms that it gets itself very confused by those MP4(LPCM) based formats and doesn't know what to do. This is supported by the G7 being unable to play a legitimate recording from one of these modes from an FZ2000.

4k24p
mp4ed_25p_200mbps say ok!  4k24p  Exiftools(mac): Avg Bitrate : 92.4 Mbps
mp4ed_50p_200mbps say ok!  4k24p  Exiftools(mac): showed Avg Bitrate : 92.8 Mbps
mov_25p_200mbps say ok! not display quality.  Exiftools(mac): (Image Size : 1920x1080, Megapixels : 2.1, Avg Bitrate - not show)
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4k25p
mp4ed_25p_200mbps = ok! replace in settings to 4k24p = 94 Mbps
mp4ed_50p_200mbps = ok! replace in settings to 4k24p = 92.4 Mbps
mov_25p_200mbps = ok! not display quality Exiftools(mac): (Image Size : 1920x1080, Megapixels : 2.1, Avg Bitrate - not show)
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Upload test files 4k25p, name file show quality.
mov_25p_200mbps.MOV
mp4ed_50p_200mbps.MP4

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FHD28m50p
mp4ed_25p_200mbps say ok! replace in settings to 4k24p 
mp4ed_50p_200mbps say ok! replace in settings to 4k24p 
mov_25p_200mbps say ok! not display quality 
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FHD17m50i
mp4ed_25p_200mbps! replace in settings to 4k24p 
mp4ed_50p_200mbps! replace in settings to 4k24p 
mov_25p_200mbps say ok! not display quality 
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FHD24m25p
mp4ed_25p_200mbps! replace in settings to 4k24p 
mp4ed_50p_200mbps! replace in settings to 4k24p 
mov_25p_200mbps say ok! not display quality 
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FHD24m24p
mp4ed_25p_200mbps! replace in settings to 4k24p 
mp4ed_50p_200mbps! replace in settings to 4k24p 
mov_25p_200mbps say ok! not display quality 

Yes those would be expected to fail at the moment.
There is some combination of video quality switch that puts the camera into an interesting runaway recording mode that could do with some structured testing if you have the inclination?
It basically needs testing in the following way
1) Put the camera into a 'legal' mode such as 4K25p
2) Use that html file to switch to the first mode in its list
3) Observe the return from the camera in the browser
4) If it says OK then press record on the camera and then stop again.
If you get a runaway recording that needs the battery pulling then repeat from the starting point which combination it was.
Unfortunately, to be comprehensive this test needs to be repeated for every single format in that html file.
And then ALL of that repeated with the starting point in step 1 being the next 'legal' format (ie 4K24p).
And then ALL of the ALL being repeated with it being in AVCHD mode and all its legal formats.
Because selecting a non-AVCHD format being sent to it causes it to change mode automatically, you still need to do all of the non-AVCHD modes and vice versa as it might well be this entire switching of mode that triggers something interesting.
That is a LOT of tests with not anywhere near approaching a guarantee of it working.
But its exactly this sort of structured matrix of tests that needs doing if everyone wants to chase this down. Stumbling upon it is fine - and shows that maybe there is something there - but it needs to be repeatable to move forward and also exhaustive in case there is a combination that takes this from 'interesting' to 'usable'.
Because of the extent of the testing needed, my advice would be to split it up amongst interested parties so someone takes the 4K25p starting point, someone else takes the 4K24p starting point etc
 
 

Excellent!
If you get a runaway recording, let me know the combination and I'll get on to it with a G7.
 

Yes those would be expected to fail at the moment.
There is some combination of video quality switch that puts the camera into an interesting runaway recording mode that could do with some structured testing if you have the inclination?
It basically needs testing in the following way
1) Put the camera into a 'legal' mode such as 4K25p
2) Use that html file to switch to the first mode in its list
3) Observe the return from the camera in the browser
4) If it says OK then press record on the camera and then stop again.
If you get a runaway recording that needs the battery pulling then repeat from the starting point which combination it was.
Unfortunately, to be comprehensive this test needs to be repeated for every single format in that html file.
And then ALL of that repeated with the starting point in step 1 being the next 'legal' format (ie 4K24p).
And then ALL of the ALL being repeated with it being in AVCHD mode and all its legal formats.
Because selecting a non-AVCHD format being sent to it causes it to change mode automatically, you still need to do all of the non-AVCHD modes and vice versa as it might well be this entire switching of mode that triggers something interesting.
That is a LOT of tests with not anywhere near approaching a guarantee of it working.
But its exactly this sort of structured matrix of tests that needs doing if everyone wants to chase this down. Stumbling upon it is fine - and shows that maybe there is something there - but it needs to be repeatable to move forward and also exhaustive in case there is a combination that takes this from 'interesting' to 'usable'.
Because of the extent of the testing needed, my advice would be to split it up amongst interested parties so someone takes the 4K25p starting point, someone else takes the 4K24p starting point etc
 
 

I'm ready to test with 4K25p.
If no one can verify the 4K24p, I'm ready to take after 4K25p

Hi all! 
Thanks for the work you've done! Ready to participate in all tests
My camera G7, I am use this html file DEPLOY VIDEO QUALITY.html and my camera for video quality returns err_parm by all link.
VLOG G - err_parm;
VLOG Gamma - place standart profile;
VLOG L - err_parm.
Cinelike D/V normal switch. 
I also attach my file "Options available" dump_G7.xml  

Thank you for this!!!
I believe I found a better workaround for using the C1,C2,C3 custom functions, where you can:
- Save the CineD for use as an actual profile and
- Switch to other profiles normally
I was able to save the CineD profile into the custom slot by clicking the Disp.Save button while in the profile change window. This saved the profile as Custom and allows me to switch profiles now, but at same time I can still go back to CineD by going to the slot where Custom used to be, it still appears as Blank with Custom misaligned to the very left top on the screen :D
See the pic  and check out the video I attached too.

20170607_033823_1.mp4