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I don't know of a Sony 20mm F2. are you sure you don't mean the 20mm F1.8? I'm not really a fan of Sony lenses. Too clinical. Much prefer the Sony Zeiss in E-mount, but that's personal. I meant FF with a Speedbooster using cine or vintage lenses. Center sharpness isn't everything, most of the FF lens mojo comes from vignetting, diffraction, aberrations etc. Again totally personal. As for 60p capturing motion well. Ughhh. No. It gives it the dreaded soap opera look. Use 30p if your panning a lot but never ever export on a 60p timeline. Just no. Since you like dancing, here is a great example of a filmed dance sequence as far as motion with a global shutter S16 sensor in 24p: hopefully it will make you change your mind 😉

Sorry I'm allergic to 60p uploaded footage. It shouldn't even be an option lol. Noticeable IQ drop in 4K120p. Alongside the window crop that's going to be a tough mode to shoot in. As for the low-light it seems kind of average. 2500 ISO high base isn't a lot but its always nice its dual base. Speedbooster would help the cam. Would like to see some FX30 footage paired with nice FF glass.

Getting back to your original question, as I'm not even sure its been answered since we got side tracked on camera size, here is my opinion. On a pure codec level in between the C300 50mbps 422 internal codec and the C100 mk2 35mbps 420 codec there is going to be an obvious difference, now if you record to your Atomos in 422 well the playing field is a lot more even between those two cams. Especially if you record in ProRes that's a lot chunkier of a codec then the small bitrate internal 35/50mbps mp4 codecs. This all tilts in the favour of the C100 mk2 as its also cheaper, smaller & has DPAF (remember its an option on C300). But now the greater question is how does it hold up to a Z6 in 10-bit Nlog? You have to look at resolution (4K vs 4K downsampled FHD), DR, color science before even comparing the 8-bit vs 10-bit codecs. And to answer that one, how heavy do you grade? Because 8-bit is 8-bit even in 422. You won't be achieving miracles in post..

Calm down, no I'm not the police. It's called forum netiquette. Even the OP is confused about the direction his own thread has taken. What does a GH5 have to do with C100/C300 question? Why continually argue against a point I clearly detailed with pics and everything concerning cameras I've actually owned and worked with? It seems like you enjoy making these threads about you and your camera. It's just not necessary. All the armchair arguments, the passive aggressive comments. It's not a discussion anymore, it becomes a monologue. Even right now, we're wasting bandwidth talking about you it seems, your hurt feelings and playing the victim as if I were the bully. It's quite tiring frankly. Nobody cares, it's just cluttering the thread. Just put all that aside, no need to argue further. Try and stay on topic. I'm done with this back & forth.

@kye ..why don't you compare it to a GoPro again? 🤣 I repeat for the millionth time: I don't see how I could be any clearer but you conveniently leave out my clarifications every time only to keep arguing about unrelated camera specs. The images and dimension/weight info you found are indeed not telling the truth since you'd have to rig up those DSLRs substantially to get equivalent cine cam specs. I've even posted pics of rigged up R5C & Z6 to further prove my point.. but I'm the one that has trouble "comparing objects in photographs"? you sure about that lol. I'm not trying to get under your skin but again you present just a bunch of unrelated armchair data that miss the point entirely. FYI I've owned the C100 and the 5D3 together, shot with them for years so I really do know what I'm talking about. Bringing up your GH5 in every topic doesn't make you any more of an expert on gear you've never used before. Nothing personal, relax. Just stating the obvious, no need for further arguments on said topic. Welcome to EOSHD, where all topics lead back to Lumix cameras..

Eye-AF should work ok, it does on my R6 with adapted EF lenses. The new Canon 709 is a modified version of the popular WideDR profile with better highlight curve and added contrast. Perfect for fast turnaround projects imo. ALL-I is nice when you want ultimate compressed quality, difference is noticeable in water scenes and motion. Bigger files for sure but easier to edit. I think its just nice to see updates with added new features. Not something Canon is known for. I'm assuming the FX30 and its aggressive price point is probably prompting Canon to do so. Competition is good for us customers. C70 keeps getting better! They should put out a C50 in a R6/R7 body with full C70 video features under $3K.

New firmware update bringing more ALL-I options, Eye-AF & new Canon 709 profile: @herein2020 Sadly still no (vertical) aspect ratio markers, I'm sure that would have been easy and very handy to have

I'm not saying C100 is the most compact or discrete camera out there. I'm just saying compared to a rigged up mirrorless offering similar run & gun options its quite comparable, more balanced, all-in-one alternative. And yeah C100 SOOC look using Wide DR has a special mojo. Canon had some kind of special sauce back then, the internal processing was 444. Speaking of it kinda makes me miss it to be honest !

OK so once again armchair expertise. You tend to make a lot of strong assumptions and present opinions as facts on subjects you really have zero experience with. Googling photos, watching a video on YT.. then arguing online against people with actual hands-on experience on the subject matter. Its a recurring theme I've noticed.. Again you lumped the C100 & C300 in the same category. Anybody that has used those two cams knows they are day & night in form factor, weight, operation despite them looking similar on internet pictures. As for context, OP uses a Z6 plus an Atomos. Fully rigged that's already bulkier and heavier than a stripped down C100. To use your analogy its more like a sedan.. with a camping trailer attached to its rear! ..and again the C100 has built-in NDs, fan, all day battery life, WFM assist tools etc. even when stripped down. Rigging the equivalent on a large sensor mirrorless will not be smaller or lighter, hence my point withstands.

Just out of curiosity and please answer honestly: have you ever actually shot with a C100 & C300 camera? Because you lumped them both in the same "large" category.

Hey whatever works best for you. R5C vs C100 is an uneven comp on so many levels. That said I maintain that to get all day battery life, NDs and XLRs on R5C, you're looking at a rig and investment far away from what the C100 gives you from the get go.. and no I'm not going back there either but for under $800 if you're ok shooting FHD, still a fantastic option imo..

Sure you can rig up any cam, but you've also got to factor in the added cost. An R5C + ND adapter + Tascam is already a whopping 6K€. As a strictly all-in one cine body C100 is a pretty compact (and affordable) considering its a decade old! The R5C, FX3, FX30 are really a new kind of compact hybrid mirrorless camera though. I like FX3/FX30 fairly better concerning form factor as they are more compact, have mounting options, a native top handle and XLR as well as IBIS equipped and decent battery life: VS For all day battery life though you are also going to need a big source of external power for R5C (imo its biggest con) adding on to weight and bulk. And pretty quickly you're in a situation that makes 1DX3 feel light and tiny..

I haven't proven any point other than it is all relative to what camera you are comparing with. You choose to call it "huge" compared to your GH5 or a Gopro. I am indeed saying it is small compared to most cinema cameras but also action sport mirrorless or a rigged up Z6/R6/A7 with external monitor. I'll stay it again, the C100 is small considering it has: built-in NDs, an EVF, large display, fan system, all-day battery, XLRs. It's like the Pocket 6K Pro. The term "pocket" is really relative but makes sense if you compare it to an ARRI.

I think their popularity is simply due to currently being the most active camera systems in terms of bodies and lenses.. both in hybrid and cine lines. Sony has also become an industry standard in a lot of pro video sectors, I know that's why I joined their ecosystem not necessarily because I was a fan of their cameras although I can't complain about the FS7, its been real money maker despite its age. The FX30 is basically a mini FS7 so yeah it's an interesting release at an affordable price point.

.. it is really a small camera when stripped. maybe not Komodo small but considering its got NDs, EVF, Display, Fan.. weights about the same as a Z9, R3, S1H etc..

joking aside there is a strong tendency here from Lumix users to talk up their cameras in every single product thread. I don't mind camera comparisons but if you're eyeing an FX30, chances are you're probably interested in AF, APS-C/S35 format & the Sony ecosystem. Let's at least compare what is comparable.. just saying.

I love the C100. Still a very capable camera. I only sold it because I can't deliver FHD anymore, even 4K downsampled. The 8-bit is also a challenge and now that I'm more into grading I don't think I could go back to 8-bit. But the SOOC IQ still holds up even though it has Canons older CS which may look more dated than the more neutral CS of recent generations. For me personally, C300 mk2 would be the only older model I'd be able to do pro work with but if you're a hobbyist and looking for one of the best FHD cams, the C100mk2 or C300 would probably be near the top of that list. By the way, C100 isn't large at all, C300 has that awkward tall form factor though.

This guy has no evf lag issue for BIF but says if the battery is under 50%, or you're adapting older lenses etc the EVF can act funky: https://youtu.be/0cQHLTbIso0 This other guy in the comments shows clear lag and frame drops when the shutter is pressed: I'm in the camp that there is a lot of lag. I'm having troubles tracking sporting, specifically kiteboarding, which is a lot like birds in flight. I've posted my video test of the what the viewfinder sees ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtFbWS1vkIc -not the best test but it sure seems to show something different from your video) and it's almost as if you have a different camera than I do. I've shot for years on a 5D mkIV, a 7d Mk1, a 7d MkII and never had so much trouble trying to track a kiteboarder. I often loose the person out off the frame with the R5, where I rarely did before. Ron, Kudos to you for being able to do it.

Your issue prompted me to investigate on my end so I popped on my Speedlite flash last night on the R6 having my nephew around and tried to catch random split second movements and to my surprise I found it was pretty easy to nail shots. I also couldn't notice any significant lag from the EVF when set to smooth. So I don't know if its a user case thing, if R5 and its 45MP somehow increases the lag, if you got a lemon or wether ballerinas are just much harder to shoot than an 8 year-old (I'd assume so!) but for my expectations the R6 works just fine even for flash photography. Since you've also got an R7 have you noticed any difference concerning EVF lag with your R5?

Actually I had asked you about R5 vs R6ii, never mentioned the R7. Personally I'd pick an R6ii over an R7 every time but the R7 is a lot cheaper and could also be a nice APS-C side kick to an R6ii if you shoot several bodies. Nice write-up by the way!

For me personally Fuji screwed up by putting the XH2 40mp sensor inside XT5's reduced body size. This creates overheating, extra crop factors and line skipping issues. ProRes was also removed, for cripple hammer segmenting reasons with XH series. Would have much preferred XH2S stacked sensor with lower MP and no 6K/8K options but faster read-out speed. Maybe an XT5S option would have been ideal but again maybe the smaller body size might be the real bottleneck when it comes to heat management. I'm sad because XT5 used to be Fuji's all-rounder (well since XT2) but it is now a high MP stills oriented camera with newfound video limitations. You simply have to step up to XH series for proper hybrid Fuji when I much prefer the top dials, form factor and tilt screen of the XT series.

Yes and no imo. XT5 has a 1.22x crop for all its extra resolution and oversampled modes. Uses pixel-binning in several modes. It has superior RS. No ProRes. No 4K120p. And there is overheating limitations due to the smaller body. XH2S with its stacked sensor is an actual XT3/XT4/XT5 on steroids with super fast read-out allowing low RS at 14-bit, faster AF, 40fps with no blackout, 4K120p, 6.2K Open Gate, ProRes... But more importantly concerning OPs EVF top issue, XH2S offers a much more comfortable: 5.76M dot OLED viewfinder with 0.8x magnification and up to 120fps refresh

I think it brings you closer to the OVF viewing experience but its unclear if it eliminates EVF lag. For that I think you really need a stacked sensor (or faster processor) which improves refresh rates but who knows it may still be improved from R5. Kind of a shame there is no data on this issue. As for battery drain, I think I read it didn't drain any more but again no hard evidence. I guess this is where your 5D IV still holds a valuable purpose? I can really see how in run & gun flash photography EVF lag would be a serious handicap.

As recently discussed with you in a parallel thread, increasing MPix will inevitably decrease RS and overall read out among other things. That is why R3 has much better RS in video than Z9 or A1. Or can do 195fps max burst rate at full resolution in FF vs 120fps in 11MP crop mode for Z9. It's always a give & take. And depending on the user that will tilt balance in either direction. Again I think Fuji did the smart thing with XH2/XH2S giving the user the option of super fast readout or high resolution 45MP/8K. Finally I think the R3 sits just fine against the A1/Z9 and given the choice I'd pick it over the other two. But that's because I value read-out speed in both photo/video over super high resolution. In the end I'm not a sports/action shooter though so no real need to invest in such cameras. I just wished there was a fast stacked sensor in a non flagship action/sports oriented body. XH2S fits the bill but I'm not sure I wanna head back to Fuji system for other reasons.

Well yeah you'd assume sensor & processing go hand in hand, but if you look at XH2/XH2S, here are two cameras with identical processing but different sensors, one stacked the other not. XH2S's stacked sensor allows fast read out that enables super low RS but also 14-bit processing. It does give up 8K in favour of 6.2K and is a bit more noisy. Stacked sensors are also more expensive to produce so that does add a bit to the cost. To me that's an acceptable trade-off. But I think that most manufacturers feel that a cheaper camera with 8K/45MP will be much more of a sell factor than more expensive faster read out 6.2K/26MP camera. Fuji were smart enough to give us both options but at Sony/Canon/Nikon, they seem to reserve the speedy stacked sensors for their expensive flagship sports/action cams. That probably won't change any time soon, so just wishful thinking on my part but I'd like to see a fast "XH2S" type hybrid from the other big players that isn't a high megapixel sports camera. like an FX30S, R6S, Z6S..