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  1. 6 hours ago, gethin said:

    d5500 is a dog to use but it tells me what shutter speed I'm at when shooting in aperture priority. 

    Yes Panasonic blocks and hides all automatic exposure information. I wonder why.

  2. 7 hours ago, jonpais said:

    The whole point of the video is you’ve got to get the mic off camera. Even an inexpensive mic will outperform the GH5 as long as it’s close to the subject. The in-camera noise cancelling is to eliminate noise from the IBIS. The GH4 audio was not without its own problems. But if you can only carry a couple SD cards, whatever. It’s your show.

    There is not always a "subject" in video. Ambient sound is quite often all I need. If I want to hear someone talking I try to put the camera as close to subject as I can. A good directional mic would be helpful with people talking in noisy places. A good mic is of course better than in camera mic. In my videos the in camera mic has been good enough. I just dont like the way GH5 limits low frequencies.

    A big mic may be a bit scary too for a subject if I want the most natural or "stealth" recording. Also in some places it makes too much attention to use a big mike. The guards or officials may want to stop me shooting if they think I am making a video story or documentation. With a plain GH5 I can shoot more freely and without too much attention of others.

  3. 18 minutes ago, jonpais said:

    @Vesku You’re able to fit the GH5 in your pocket? Incredible.

    Yes. I have a just right size belt bag. i can carry my GH5 with 14-140mm zoom with its "pocket" but it cant take any external devices other than one battery and some SD cards. 

    I must try some tiny external mic and test if I can get better audio. GH5 mic low tone limiting is so bad. I wonder if an external mic uses GH5 counter noise tech for handling noises?

    By the way your Rode test video is not fair if the Rode mic is closer to you than the GH5 internal mic. The distance to mic is the most important factor when trying to record speaking in noisy room. (Not counting long very directive mics).

  4. 4 hours ago, jonpais said:

    ....please leave a comment below if you intend to purchase a Panasonic HDR TV because of the GH5. I kind of doubt it.

    I am planning to buy a good HDR TV to watch my GH5 videos. It may not be a Panasonic TV.  LG or Philips OLEDs are first two items in my list for Santa Claus.

  5. 2 hours ago, wildrym said:

    I've got some questions regarding GH5:

    - Is the 1080p vfr (120 p etc...) , 10 bit or 8bit? Is it 200 mbps since v 2.0?

    - does 4k 60p also benefit from 400 mbps? ( if not, i dont get it, since it would have improved compression issues using vlog)

    Thanks!

    GH5 1080P VFR has only 100Mbs 8bit 420 ipb codec

    4k 60P has only 8bit 150Mbs 420 codec. Dont worry, the 4k60P in GH5 is very good. It is very hard to see macro blocking. 4k60P all-i would need about 800Mbs to be good.

  6. 31 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

    Dear Vesku, I think your posts about the GH5 are starting to repeat its points. I enjoyed reading the first, second and third time but then I would start to miss some additional knowledge instead of the same and sometimes subjective information over and over again. For instance, I have shown a screenshot that there are obvious advantages of ALL I. Still, the disucussion about it has been keeping on going on over a few pages. One click on the thumbnail would have helped ending the doubts. ALL I shows much less IPB pixel clusters than IPB, to repeat my point on that issue this one time.:)

    Thanks for your polite opinions. Can you share a link in this all-i test you have? I have not seen it. In fact there are very few real tests about all-i vs ipb. That was the reason I had to make my own tests and post it in some forums. There was surprisingly little interest of this 400Mbs talk. Many camera testers just repeat marketing specs but dont actually test anything.

  7. 35 minutes ago, jonpais said:

    @Vesku You waste all your valuable time ....But you're not a shooter. You're a whiner. You're not even being productive..... you're so filled with self-importance, but you're not helping the online community with your constant complaining. 

    Odd talking in technical hobby forum. You this, you that, You are ...., you cant, you dont understand....etc, etc. 

    Have I never said anything personal to anyone. English is not my mother language so I can not be so sensitive and polite all the time. I want to talk about camera features. If I have different opinions about gear is that rude? If I share my findings about my GH5 or my TV how can it insult you? Is there only one right and proper way to use our gear? Is it insulting to use camera differently than your way. Why it is bad to be exited about hobby? Is it important to share private videos online? Is it wrong to share information of hopes or issues?

    We have here in Finland very dark, depressive and wet season. I have now plenty of time to test my cameras and talk about my hobby online. Can you find my posts during last summer? What do you think I was doing? Yes I was shooting videos, thousands and thousands and my GH5 worked brilliantly. There is still always room for improvement. I am waiting new GH5 updates and new features. I hope Panasonic makes GH5 even better.

  8. 1 hour ago, jonpais said:

    So now we all know you can shoot 8-bit rec 709 with your GH5 and see an incredible 12 stops of dynamic range on your SDR television...

    http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquisition/micro-43/panasonic-gh4-dr-and-gamma-timelapse-and-more.html

    "Cutting to the chase: 11+ stops in every gamma setting. VIVID and CINE V styles give you 10+ stops free and clear, with the 11th stop separating from black with a stretch of the shadows. All the others show 11 stops and a bit more,..."

    GH4 normal profiles 11+ dyn range. I think it is fair to say that GH5 has then almost 12.

    My TV has contrast ratio about 1:2000 - 1:4000.  1:2048 equals 11 stops and 1:4096 equals 12 stops light intensity difference. 

  9. 1 hour ago, jonpais said:

    So now we all know ....that you're able to get professional sounding audio with the built-in microphone with your GH4

    Did I say that? I said decent, realistic, pleasant. I also said to Joe that I may buy the mic he recommended. I have been very happy with GH4 internal audio. I think it is worth mentioning that GH5 has much worse frequency response than GH4. I wonder why no tester has figured it out. GH5 has bass filter (wind noise canceller). Why they want to cut bass also without it? Of course if I want professional audio or better hearing of people talking I would use directional ext mic. Actually I have one expensive Senheiser shotgun mic.

    What my feature suggestion you think is not not good to have. If I would be a Panasonic engineer I would be very thankful that someone thinks and suggests features and handling improvements in different situations. It is not barking. It is user feedback, maybe not very polite but it is sharing information to make our cameras better. Panasonic has actually made many of my request of improvements to happen in GH4 and GH5.

  10. On 11/17/2017 at 8:56 PM, jonpais said:

    @mercer Well, if you ever get the chance to... I was skeptical myself when @Vesku used to talk about watching on a large screen, and I think Ken Ross also mentioned it: but I had a 40” HD TV sitting in my apartment for years and never watched it. Since getting the LG however - it’s like you’ve never seen your work before - the picture doesn’t fall apart at all, on the contrary, to use a cliched phrase, it’s like a veil is lifted. My attitude now is, forget a new camera body, invest in a decent display, because what’s the point of having a great sensor if you’re restricted to watching your clips on a tiny laptop? A phenomenal set can be had for little more than the price of an a6500 and kit lens, I’m sure. Anyhow, something to think about. There’ve been countless pages here devoted to gear, that’s what this site is about - but very little attention has been paid to how we actually view the content once we’ve finished a project. 

    Thanks for supporting my opinion to watch videos with a good TV. 

    I wonder if you are watching rec709 SRD videos with your OLED using wide colors and high contrast. It is not how SDR videos are ment to be watched. You must adjust your TV to show gray blacks and low contrast and crush the file for 6 stops of dynamic range. Users in this forum recommends watching and grading SDR videos that way. If we want the video looks stunning we must use HDR feature and HDR grading. If we watch 6 stops of SDR video with high contrast and vivid colors the dark tones are horribly black and all the clipped highlights shines too much. SDR 6 stops of dynamic range is equal to contrast ratio 1:64. When using OLED contrast ratio 1:million or infinite it does not look right.

    I like to watch my videos with excellent contrast and vivid colors and not crushed to 6 stops but it is obviously the wrong way.

    Sorry of topic.

  11. 42 minutes ago, jonpais said:

    ??????

    @Vesku I thought @kidzrevil‘s explanation was very clear and concise. Instead of cluttering up this thread with how you can see 12 stops of dynamic range on your SDR television set, please start a tutorial in a new thread. Thanks!

    I think this is relevant to HDR topic. Sorry if not. Here are examples what I see in my TV. I shooted a RAW photo and a video (Natural, contrast -5, idynamic) in my hiking trip in Norway at the same place. As you can see from frames the dynamic range is quite close. I see my videos and photos in my TV just as my examples are. Looks almost the same. Maybe not 12 stops but more than six.

     

    JPG from RAW

    GH5-RAW.jpg

     

    JPG from video

    GH5-video.jpg

  12. 2 minutes ago, kidzrevil said:

    With what picture profile because they all employ serious highlight compression. Cinelike D for sure doesn’t have anything close to 12 stops of DR. VLOG is at 12 and that has to be converted from LOG to linear to watch it. And if its 8 bit the file is definitely being saved in a rec709 format so you definitely cant choose not to talk about rec709 when your DR is being limited to a set value because of it @Vesku

    GH5 RAW photos has about 13 stops. Video Natural, contrast -5 with idynamic standard has about stop less than RAW, at least 11 stops. As I said I am not talking about rec709 now. GH5 can record much more. When we grade for rec709 rules we must clip and crush the good GH5 file, but must we do it always?

  13. 17 minutes ago, kidzrevil said:

    @Vesku I think you may have misunderstood how SDR displays work...

    Lets forget SRD, HDR, rec709 and rec202 for a while. I shoot with my GH5 a 8bit file. I record about 12 stop dynamic range. I watch it and I can see that 12 stops dynamic range in my TV. There is texture in highlights and shadows. Image looks stunning and vivid in highs, mids and shadows. How is that possible?

  14. Has anyone tested GH5 internal mic quality?  I cant find any test result for GH5 mic audio quality. In my GH5 it seems to record low frequences much weaker than GH3/4. I must add bass quite much when listening my GH5 recordings. (Wind cut is off). 

    GH5 mic quality is otherwise quite OK. The IBIS and handling noises are surprisingly low due to internal counter noise cancelling mic. I also made a foam wind filter which works well outdoors.

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