Neumann Films

18 minutes ago, ajay said:

Yes, plenty of footage with native ISO values, but not side-by-side under harsh lighting conditions. It's the only way that you can potentially see the differences in dynamic range and highlight roll-off. If its not side-by-side, the results are subjective.

Please understand Luke, no disrespect to your fine work. If anyone can get the best out of these cameras it is YOU.

My hope is the GH5s will bridge the gap between the GH5 and the EVA-1. I'm just not convinced yet that it is offering much else other than excellent low-light performance w/o IBIS. I was hoping for a least one stop better dynamic range and so far I am seeing maybe 1/2 stop at best over the GH5. It's definitely not 2 stops better.

 

Thank you and I appreciate that, also understand that I'm not put up to anything I say, this is my impression.  I didn't see two stops either, the only thing I noticed was a more pleasing rolloff.  Probably comes out to 1/2 stop but for me it's in the right spot.  I don't need much more, I just want that smooth rolloff...I got that in this footage but not really ever with the GH5.  

16 minutes ago, ajay said:

I will look forward to seeing side-by-side tests at native ISO's 400 and 2500.

I won't be doing any such tests but I'm sure someone will.  You don't need to take anyone's word for it though, plenty of footage out there using the native ISO values.

ISO 3200 is not a native ISO, therefore you are losing DR. 400 and 2500 are native ISO's and only by using those values are you getting the max DR.

There is absolutely improved highlight rolloff, if you don't see that you don't know the GH5 very well ?

Here you go!  Both in VLogL with the 35mm Zeiss Master Anamorphic.  I think both might be wide open at T 1.9 as well:

http://neumannfilms.mediafire.com/view/8ksyqohce9c47co/Glenn.tif

http://neumannfilms.mediafire.com/view/tbax0g3dlwlhww2/Marika.tif

@jonpais, want an ungraded still?  I have some in VLogL and Natural

Thanks Matt, yeah having a $38,000 lens helps quite a bit! It felt pretty funny shooting with that lens on a $2500 camera but it definitely added something extra to the footage.

Just now, Emanuel said:

3328 x 2496p?

Sounds right! 

Had to send the camera back a few days ago but will likely get a production unit soon.  Same thing happened with the GH5.

Ha, @Jonesy Jones that confusion was a mistake on my part. I think I did one to fit a UHD window, one where I scaled up horizontal resolution and one where I scaled down vertical.  All shots were with the same resolution though, I think it's like 3328x2160 or something?  I can't remember

10bit anamorphic like the GH5

Not releasing any clips was a point of contention this time around

He's a part of this launch for sure, no doubt you will see something from him today

6 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

I wonder what exactly is the technical conflict between those two which means they can't be included together at once? 

And will they be in the future, is this a hurdle that can be overcome on a future camera?

I think it's the juice needed to give each photosite 2x native ISOs

It's in the exposure menu and you change from "High" to "Low". When on Low you want to be at ISO 400, when in High 2500.

From what I understand the omission of IBIS was necessary for the inclusion of Dual ISO

I will say, based off perception (so...two grains of salt) I didn't notice much increase outside of the highlight roll off.  Again...that was like the first thing I noticed on day 1.

Two stop increase?  Could be, I didn't notice that.

Cinema camera roll off...yup.

Don't forget about the highlight roll off man...in my opinion it's more valuable than the low light.  Although at T4-5.6 that will be big for you as well.

I would be very very curious to see if it looks any better.  I'm assuming it does but it would need a miracle to look decent at this point.

1 minute ago, Zak Forsman said:

This must be how Filippo Chiesa felt when his short for the EVA1 was released. He did his own grade and released it a few days later. Sorry, man.

I mean, it looks just like a fucking HDR conversion LUT with no secondaries or masks...

2 more stops is what I was told, who knows what has changed since then though.  I didn't notice more as much as I noticed awesome highlight roll off.  Wherever the new extra DR went, it went to the right places.

1 minute ago, DaveAltizer said:

I thought you weren't making films anymore? 

Lol, if I do I won't outsource grading.

Uh, well.  Just going to say that I won't be allowing other people to grade videos anymore without my input.  Wow.

2 minutes ago, Spgreen65 said:

Luke, when do we get to see the finished Sci-Fi Robot short you shot with the GH5S? The low light test footage is crazy clean. No post clean up,(noise reduction) correct?

I haven't seen that online yet, should be soon I would think!  No post clean up outside of a few shots that I got in VLog.  The one that is clearly VLog and then a low angle over the water (with obvious different coloring).  Everything else has no noise reduction applied!

Also, everything in that playlist is GH5s footage, with the exception of "The Super Secret Project" which has some GH5s, some GH5.

Some thoughts (also...that thumbnail)

I stick by my early comments...options are good.  Not everyone needs or wants the same things, if you have a gimbal IBIS isn't as big of a deal, to RED/ARRI/BMC users its a non issue. To Panasonic users it is.  If it's a deal breaker that makes your decision easier.

1 minute ago, Mmmbeats said:

Presser in 2 hours, no?  Extra hour for the embargo I assume.

Yup, 3 hours for me.

3 hours