Germy1979

If the Alexa doesnt need 4k, nothing does.  Anything with a K after it is a Marketing gimmic.

2.5K is a kind of random resolution I think. It's not really a standard and is there any camera except for the BMCC that shoots 2.5K?The difference with 1080p is small... 4K has been around for a long time. A step in between wouldn't make much sense imo.

Looks like no ND = high shutter speed.

Just sayin..  I'm all for different tools, looks, etc.  If you start with a raw image, you can make it look like you set it on fire if that's your aesthetic.  Andrew's talking about having an image that gives you the most freedom.  Because It's a lot harder to polish a turd if you change your mind later on.   

This doesn't even fully capture it. They have in fact been directly antagonistic to Magic Lantern vis-a-vis the 1DX and the potential for a software conversion to a 1DC.
 
To me, that reveals far deeper rot than mere stupidity. It also represents entitled arrogance.

4:2:2 is better color than avchd. Raw is basically the best the sensor can do though.

Just sayin..  I'm all for different tools, looks, etc.  If you start with a raw image, you can make it look like you set it on fire if that's your aesthetic.  Andrew's talking about having an image that gives you the most freedom.  Because It's a lot harder to polish a turd if you change your mind later on.   

It takes stating the obvious to new unchartered territory.
 
When his wife gets in the car, he probably tells her to make sure it has wheels.

I'd go for the G6 over hacked GH2 as well. The codec is actually better implemented on the G6 and you don't get a nasty Russian man with personal issues calling you Voldermort into the deal. Bonus!

Shhhhiiiit.... If you pack these specs in a Gh body I can walk around with for $3k, let's do it. This whole 8 bit thing needs to just go away
Though. Seriously. The technology is there. Just, be done with it already. I hope by the end of next year i never see that spec on an announcement again, because to me, what's the sense in packing a camera with a 4k, 200+ Mbps codec and bottle necking it with 8-bit? So you can see all of that banding in pristine quality? (1-DC?).

For real. Like we've never had the content is king rant here before.

Thanks for stopping by bro. We had no idea.. Lol

Porn just took the leap.  I was apprehensive until that happened.  lol.

For real. Like we've never had the content is king rant here before.

Thanks for stopping by bro. We had no idea.. Lol

Built in ND's are one thing i do miss coming from the C100. Going to the BMCC was a hike in the image but a trip to the damn Stone Age
At the same time, lol. You could be setup for a shot with the C100 in no time. Normally i'd not give 2 sh-ts about whether a cam had "built in"
ND's until I got to use them in practice. That little feature just glides right into your workflow like it belongs there, and you miss it when you don't have them. Plus, GOOD ND is REALLY f'n expensive. I'm talking Schneider, B+W, Heliopan. It friggin blows swapping step rings, and stacking.
You're just f'n around for 5 more minutes! That's not very run & gun for sure. I'm not big on Variable ND's either.

Shhhhiiiit.... If you pack these specs in a Gh body I can walk around with for $3k, let's do it. This whole 8 bit thing needs to just go away
Though. Seriously. The technology is there. Just, be done with it already. I hope by the end of next year i never see that spec on an announcement again, because to me, what's the sense in packing a camera with a 4k, 200+ Mbps codec and bottle necking it with 8-bit? So you can see all of that banding in pristine quality? (1-DC?).

Reminds me a bit of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpUNA2nutbk

You people crack me up. You finally get an affordable 4K Panasonic GH model that you've been begging years for, finally has ALL the video-specific features for audio, proper codec, MFT lens, portable ergonomics... and your first reaction?
 
"No ND filter?!  WORTHLESS!"
 
Ungrateful kids...
 
*curmudgeon curmudgeon*

Shhhhiiiit.... If you pack these specs in a Gh body I can walk around with for $3k, let's do it. This whole 8 bit thing needs to just go away
Though. Seriously. The technology is there. Just, be done with it already. I hope by the end of next year i never see that spec on an announcement again, because to me, what's the sense in packing a camera with a 4k, 200+ Mbps codec and bottle necking it with 8-bit? So you can see all of that banding in pristine quality? (1-DC?).

Shhhhiiiit.... If you pack these specs in a Gh body I can walk around with for $3k, let's do it. This whole 8 bit thing needs to just go away
Though. Seriously. The technology is there. Just, be done with it already. I hope by the end of next year i never see that spec on an announcement again, because to me, what's the sense in packing a camera with a 4k, 200+ Mbps codec and bottle necking it with 8-bit? So you can see all of that banding in pristine quality? (1-DC?).

Now this sounds absolutely awesome! Please be true. 
 
I love the GH3 and its brilliant ergonomics and functionality. These are important factors that the BMD cameras severely lack. They create beautiful images but are a complete pain in the ass. 
 
I see the AG-GH4 as the ideal camera with current technology. 4k can be down sampled to 1080p for a better image, and also offer choices in post with framing. 
 
From my professional experience with BMD cameras (not hobbyist), I see them only as a serious film narrative tool. I think the AG-GH4 takes the best of all worlds (on paper that is). 
 
The only thing i don't see is high frame rates...surely this will be added at lower resolutions? (120fps please?) That addition would make it one of the best cameras on the market.
 
So an announcement at NAB 2014 maybe? Wonder what BMD have up their sleeve? (absolutely no firmware updates but 67 new cameras hehe)

Well you could rewind Bloom's argument to the standard def era and say you absolutely must have 1080p but don't need it, shoot 480p.
 
Practical considerations over creativity.
 
Creativity is about discovering the new technology and applying it in interesting ways. I can see that if you turned up for a spec shoot for a client and they only needed a 480p master, it would be silly to take your 1080p camera to the job and that is really what Philip Bloom is getting at. Nothing more.
 
What Panasonic need to do is move way beyond the GH2 hack era. Get rid of the need for Vitaliy (he's awful!) give us reliable high performance out of the box. The GH3 didn't go far enough from the GH2 hack in terms of image quality. To have a community based around a Russian hacker rather than your own camera features is nuts.

Where do i start!?
 
I started off using Sony cameras around 20years ago when I worked as a corporate shooter. Betacam, BetaSP, Digibeta....I suppose I was a Sony fanboy because they had the best cameras and formats back then. I then worked as a camera assistant (high budget) and operator (lower budget) on music videos and promos all shot on 35mm. The cameras we went for 90% of the time were Arri 435 & 535's. So I guess I was an Arri fanboy? Then the 5D came out and for my own personal use (and a lot of paid work) I used the 5DII so I guess I became a Canon fanboy? Nine months ago I used a GH3 on a shoot and was sold on one. Went out and bought one a week later. I guess that makes me a Panasonic fanboy now? Or, do I just choose the tool that I feel is right for the job regardless of brand? I am not a 'fanboy' here defending Panasonic to justify my purchase.
 
I good camera is more than just the end image. What if the camera you were using hindered your ability to capture that image in the first place?
The BM cameras may be great for narrative where you can do retake after retake but imagine shooting something that needed to be captured first time with no second chances and then your card being full because the camera gives no indication how much remaining time or space the card has? Your end image doesn't exist, no amount of DR or bit depth will get back that shot you missed. Going back 20years I can't remember a camera that didn't give the operator any visual indication of remaining media. You could, I suppose, ask the interviewee to re-say that last response to the question but how unprofessional does that make you look in front of them and your producer?
 
I find it amazing how new technology makes people forget their art. VFX aside, an 8bit camera can generate fantastic images if you know what your doing. All of a sudden everyone wants RAW so that they don't have to white balance, can get sloppy on exposure etc. Yes, RAW has it's place but many of the productions I work on don't want me to hand over RAW files.
 
The BMPCC is almost a fantastic camera, if BM can fix a few of its querks as well as reliability then it would be a cheap camera to complement the GH3.

I think when it comes down to it, the poor little pocket cam is like the underdog in a boxing competition.  It's like Rocky Balboa in Rocky IV. Ivan Drago Aka the 5DM3 is all like "I must break you", then you got Apollo Creed Aka GH3, being all flashy thinking he stands a chance against Drago, But Drago brings out the RAW guns and beats the GH3 to death with them. Then Rocky is like, I'm going to beat Drago, Drago is like pffft, no way, then he realises, oh no Rocky might actually stand a chance.

GH3 is the over all winner for me. Top features: Full HD at 60 fps, continuous recordable time, time code (for mutli cams), easy post workflow, practical ergonomics.
 
https://vimeo.com/72737956

Great fan of making ofs, fan of the DV Rebel's Guide, great fan of the traditional make-believe approach that the great masters of the silent movie era began, great fan of meticulous storyboards and so forth, I hope this old clip might inspire you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRS9cpOMYv0