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And still none of the Sonys can do it?

Why can't Sony just do it like Canon has done it since 2009? When you press the shutter button, the camera stops video recording takes a picture and then resumes. The video itself doesn't cut but during the photo capture there's a second of black. Works brilliantly.

You're not moving the 5dsr. The moire/aliasing is more hidden as it becomes more apparent during movement.

But is this anything new? I mean the D800 can do pretty much the same thing vs Canons and that thing has been out for years. But which one has better DR, the D800 or the A7Rii?

Films were basically made in the 8bit world for several years when the digitizing first started.

Just take a nice shot of the sky (uncompressed but 8bits) and encode with h264 with medium bitrate settings. You can see how it starts banding, and a lot. Higher bitrates help but h264 still destroys tonal precision quite a bunch. One reason why 10bits is better with h264 is that it degrades it less. http://x264.nl/x264/10bit_02-ateme-why_does_10bit_save_bandwidth.pdf ". For example, a 1 error bit on a 8-bit signal provide the same relative error than 3 bits of error in a 10-bit signal: 7 bits only are actually meaningful in both cases." That's why the uncompressed 8bits is still relatively good (or very low compression). High bitrate Mpeg2 encoders can be even better, that's why the C300 looks so good eventhough it's 8bits.

They do. I've shot 60p many times on the 5d mark III raw. The image has to be desqueezed and the aspect ratio is a bit funky (also the resolution has to be lowered), but it still looks great, better than the 60p h264. On another note, most people think 8bit is really bad because of compression, not 8 bits itself. Remember that h264 is basically 6-7 bits precision.

True though grading blacks grey started with the advent of LCD's.

The thing is...modern LCD's can't really do blacks anyway. So you always have a differing level of "grey" at the bottom. That's why I still love CRT monitors (eventhough they are way shitty for desktop use)

Have you actually used the 1Dc versus the A7s in 4k mode? 1Dc wins by a landslide. It's not even debatable, like anyone who has used both and graded both will immediately fall in love with the 1Dc. Even in very lowlight the 1Dc plugs along happily. Only problem is the 1.3x crop and very heavy files. A7s has a bunch of problems. Even though the 1Dc lacks peaking, the A7s is way worse in usability.

How do you explain this topic? 10 months is not enough to setup a camera? http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/9028-fun-story-a7r-5d-iii/ Besides, we are not talking about stills here (where the colors are debatable when shooting RAW) but video. It is absolutely clear to anyone with eyeballs that the 5dmarkIII does color better than the current Sony competitors. Sony is very good with sickly green/yellow though, they really nail them (Yes, I've used the A7s now for 9 days straight and I hate it, unless it's night) What's this magical setting you use that makes everything brilliant? It ain't any of the cinemodes, that's for sure.

It's WAY too green AND yellow. The A7s is frankly sickly (this with the cinegammas, with slog it's slightly better - And I love the highlights with slog).

Haha, where are you from? XC10 looks pretty soft when shot flat but it has tons of resolution. Actual detail, not sharpening artifacts. Do you go to Reduser.net and complain the the Epic doesn't look 5k because it's soft?

​Well does Sony have an answer to even the three year old 5d mark III? Actually no, they don't. Their current line up has no still cameras that are (in my mind) better than the 5d mark III (except in technical sensor specs). Would I use my A7s for photography instead of the 5dmarkIII? Hell no. Will I use the a7s instead of the 5dmarkIII for my newest short film? Nope, it doesn't even shoot RAW (that's credit to magic lantern) Maybe Sony should try competing instead of spec hunting? I mean the 5d mark III is pretty old. Would you use the a7s instead of the 1Dc for anything? I doubt it.

Heh. In the meantime, I shot my newest music video for a client with the 5dmarkIII, with the Sony A7s as b-cam because I hate the colors of the A7s. And damn the 5dmarkIII worked great. Things I missed after working with with a7s for three previous videos: Magic Lantern, great LCD (the colors and contrast on that back LCD kill the A7s.), colors, colors, colors. Yeah, it's soft, doesn't bother me and I have almost 20/20 eyesight! People look great, compared to oddly sick with the a7s. Actually working stabilization on the lenses (my a7s adaptor drops it occasionally), a body that a man can actually hold with his hands, record button placement, ability to use 25p PAL and 60p NTSC on the same card, pictures at the same time, just pressing a button etc. Only things I missed from the A7s? Zooming into picture while recording, slog for those really bright sunlights. Sharp 60p. That's about it really.

​Not even with CGI? I wonder what sensor size 3d-guys like to "use" inside their 3d softwares. I disagree that you can't get that wide angle look though. Slap a 20mm f1.8 onto the 5d, shoot it RAW and you will get close, atleast in the wide departments. You will even get a smaller DOF than many of those shots there. The most you will be missing is the highlight capability and resolution. But you will also get "character" with the shitty lens.

​If you take out the little piece of "said something" from Last Action Hero...it would still be fun. For example the Hamlet scene in that film. That's basically Kung Fury. It doesn't say anything, except about the genre itself. Kung Fury is very close to Last Action Hero. Both play with genres. The other is about one hour longer and it EXPLAINS while it plays with genres. Kung Fury doesn't explain, it just exists and it's up to the viewer to connect the genre dots.

​You sound like someone who has been conditioned to hate by a film school. "It doesn't have anything to say!". Sometimes I just hate those moments when a fun movie stops down and says something "profound". Where does a film like "star wars" even fit in that stupid category of "saying something"? And how much do you need to "say something" in a 90 minute film? Is one profound- line enough or just an interesting backdrop? Why do you even need a movie to "say something"? Ah, that's just some really pretentious shit.

​Agreed. The difference is big when using H264 (5d is softer and no slowmotion but it does every other single thing better than the FS700, as long as you keep the sharpening to a minimum) and it's just extreme when using RAW. Though I haven't tried the RAW workflow for the FS700 but it is just so bulky it's ridiculous while I can shoot RAW on the 5dIII on to just fast CF cards.

​​Yeah, you'd think in a forum for indie film making people would learn to criticise other's work properly and enthusiastically. But it seems like these kinds off forums are the worst (the comment section of nofilmschool is even more horrid). We are not in a competition. If we were, Kung Fury already won it anyways.

​Comments like this just make the poster seem stupid. The idea specifically is to take a bunch of cliches from bad movies and just put them really over-the-top. Saying "no original thought" is just going really retarded. Like maximum level. There are loads of little ideas in that short that are original, even though the general premise is not.

​Hmm? First wannabe filmmakers claim that "most films are shot at f4-f5.6" and then when the lenses are tested at those apertures it turns into "Lol, only f5.6!". And this eventhough there were f1.8 tests in there too. I guess you can never win it in the internets.

Guys, you know the "use maximum render settins" option in Premiere output? It will actually ADD sharpening even when you don't scale. So if your timeline is HD and you render out HD, it will still add sharpening noticeably. When you click that setting off, no sharpening is added. But then the scaling itself is a bit worse. Decisions, decisions. If you don't do any scaling, I'd suggest never clicking that option on. If you do, keep it on.

I did like Kung Fury, unfortunately most of the best gags were already in the trailer. It has its moments. I don't think over analysing these kinds of comedies is all that. Either the humor works for you or it doesn't. It worked for me and the length was good. Check out Italian Spiderman too.

​ I've seen several people who have gotten good colours out of the A7s. But I'm not one of them. The 5D III does color about 3x better than my A7s. That's a scientific number 8) Canon DSLR's are easily quite saturated and warm, but they behave "normally". As in changing the exposure and whitebalance produces results that are standard. A7s seems to be all over the place.