Andrew Reid

[html][url="http://www.vimeo.com/38009435"]http://www.vimeo.com/38009435[/url] Nikon could steal a few 5D Mark III pre-orders just by putting clearer information out and some sample clips. The Nikon D800 has a few tricks up its sleeve which may improve the soft moire ridden video quality we’ve seen so far from it. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7408/nikon-d800-video-dark-horse-and-the-unanswered-questions/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[quote author=mike_tee_vee link=topic=369.msg2361#msg2361 date=1331249945] Even though the GH2's resolution is jaw dropping, I still find myself drifting back to Canon for the colors and tones.  My perfect camera would be a combination of both. [/quote] True I do prefer colour on the Canon DSLRs. 5D Mark 3 looks even better in this regard now, thanks to better codec.

[quote author=MatthewP link=topic=369.msg2356#msg2356 date=1331243153] Hmm, there's a 1080p version of Mario & Nette on YouTube. The beginning shots look a bit fuzzy, but I think they must have been shot at 720p because the rest is absolutely stunning! The softness isn't noticeable at all - it looks wonderful. [/quote] If it was the same one I saw, it was simply the 540p clip from the Canon site upscaled to 1080p by the YouTube Idiot. It was very misleading!

Patches updated. Just minor fixes, like the 720p mode being included in Vanilla. [url=http://www.eoshd.com/gh2-patch-vault]http://www.eoshd.com/gh2-patch-vault[/url]

Regarding in-cam playback. It works  8) You just have to reboot camera after shooting a clip. Shooting then going direct to playback mode doesn't work. This is just how the hack is, for now. Feature of PTools not a fault with the patches.

It isn't any better quality via HDMI than with the hack, so why bother?

[quote author=RichST link=topic=372.msg2340#msg2340 date=1331187156] [quote author=ted ramasola link=topic=372.msg2336#msg2336 date=1331165338] Looking at the stills of the ferris wheel, I saw the resolution of the mk3 similar to what a mk2 would look like with a VAF5d2. Si I think its what canon did to reduce color aliasing and moire, they placed an agressive OLPF. [/quote] Surely not, an OLPF that strong would be unacceptable for stills. I suspect - but certainly can't prove - that they're doing something like 3x3 binning now instead of the old 3x1 binning + skip two lines. That would jive with the reduced aliasing and better low light performance we're seeing as well as the minor differences in resolution. The sensor also looks to be scanning faster which explains the reduced rolling shutter (they didn't double the number of output channels for no reason). All in all these look like simple, common sense improvements, nothing revolutionary but still good to have [/quote] Nice analysis. What trick would you say the GH2 has up her sleeve to get the video resolution it does from a 18MP native chip? What is the next step up from 3x3 binning? My guess is that the GH2's processor is reading out a 4MP or even 8MP 4K image from the sensor and downscaling intelligently to 2MP on the image processor itself. I cannot think of any other way it would be better than so many cameras that do binning on the sensor like the NEX 7, 5D Mark III, Nikon D800, etc.

[quote author=rainman link=topic=372.msg2333#msg2333 date=1331154892] So which way should we go? 5DMII+VAF 5D2 or 5DM3 [/quote] Depends if you need the 5DM3 advantages and have a spare $3500 as opposed to $2500 (with VAF). Advantages are: - Better HDMI for monitoring, no 540p drop nonsense - Sharp corners with wide lenses since no need to fix moire with VAF 5D2 - Better low light performance - Timecode - ALL-I codec and higher bitrates - Reduced rolling shutter - 3:2 screen - Function button near shutter button - Headphone jack - Manual audio controls and meters (without need for Magic Lantern) - Probably better DR Those are off the top of my head, maybe some I've missed. Worth $1000? I think so.

I just use generic ones for c-mount on the GH2. They work fine but if your infinity focus is critical they may not be accurate enough. Any better suggestions welcome guys...

[quote author=sandro link=topic=368.msg2326#msg2326 date=1331152731] Do we have 1080p videos from the D800 yet? [/quote] Yes and they are as soft as 5D but with awful aliasing and moire. HDMI output on that camera might be a different bag.

[quote author=Shawn_Lights link=topic=368.msg2317#msg2317 date=1331142493]We deal with the short comings of DSLRs because they produce great images and are cheap. However, if you want the amazing video features, expect to pay more. The 5D2 was over $2,000. I expect the C-DSLR to at least double that.[/quote] It really does depend, market and tech both moving so fast. GH2 is utterly mind-blowing for the price.

Why would an anti-aliasing filter help rolling shutter? No it doesn't have an affect.

There's more false detail on the 5D Mark II. No doubt 5D Mark III is better for cleanness of the resolution but disappointed it is not at GH2 level. On a $3500 DSLR, I mean c'mon FFS.

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/rollingshutterdistortionofeos5dmark2.jpg[/img] [url="http://mono-logue.air-nifty.com/monolog/2012/03/post-6b3f.html"]This Japanese test[/url] is quite revealing. Rolling shutter is reduced by half. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7384/extent-of-rolling-shutter-reduction-on-5d-mark-iii/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

Don't forget Sony. They will have a full frame camera out by Photokina 2012 and they have come on a hell of a lot with DSLR video lately. Sure I am disappointed the 5D Mark III resolution is as soft as 5D Mark II but at least moire, aliasing, codec, rolling shutter and low light ALL improved. And it no longer drops to 540p over HDMI. It is a refinement of a great camera. The price is too high though, I agree.

It plays back fine for me on same cards. Not touched the audio bitrate? I'll look into it.

Good point Matthew. I don't entirely believe the reason there isn't clean HDMI at 1080p is because of lack of grunt. Even the 7D does it. Canon protecting C300 again? "If you don't cannibalise yourself, someone else will". One word: D800.

See - [url=http://www.eoshd.com/comments/index.php/topic,369.0.html]http://www.eoshd.com/comments/index.php/topic,369.0.html[/url]

It is good enough for many many great shoots to come, but it is definitely a lot softer on fine details than the GH2 is capable of. It isn't any better than 5D Mark II in terms of actual resolution. And this is a £3000 camera body. It took 3.5 years to do this??

For the price I was expecting it to at least scale 22MP cleanly to 2MP, as the GH2 can scale 18MP to 2MP almost perfectly with resolution almost nip and tuck with a still scaled down in Photoshop. The sensor in the GH2 is clearly optimised for video. The sensor in the 5D3 is clearly not so much. A half hearted effort to add 1MP to 21MP to get even binning. Not sure what else they've changed. This is an expensive camera. And there is nothing in-between this and the C300 from Canon. It is however - and this is important to remember - possibly the best full frame camera on the market for video. But the D800 is sure to give it some tough competition now. It isn't the walk over I thought it would be.

[html][url="http://www.vimeo.com/38055013"]http://www.vimeo.com/38055013[/url] (Please download the original 5D 1080p file, it only streams in 720p. No artistic value. Not representative of final firmware. No salesman will call.) Looks like someone didn’t get the memo! In the last few hours the first 90Mbit 1080p Quicktime file was made available from a pre-production 5D Mark III. The subject matter is mundane but finally we get to see what the true resolution of this camera is like. The test is shot at ISO 3600. Here’s my verdict… [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7378/5d-mark-iii-raw-h-264-video-file-for-download/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_0007.jpg[/img] I was able to try out the 5D Mark III for myself today in the UK at the Focus On Imaging show. I also had a talk to one of Canon’s technicians about sensor downscaling, HDMI output and more. Is it truly the big improvement on the 5D Mark II for video everybody is hoping for? I also got my hands on a Nikon D800 and Fuji X Pro, more on those after the break… [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7361/hands-on-with-the-canon-5d-mark-iii/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/canon-g1-x.jpg[/img] It is a testament to how demanding the camera market place is of manufacturers at the moment that Canon could bring out a large sensor compact like the G1 X and for me to have quite a few major gripes about it. This is the best image quality we’ve ever seen from a camera in the ‘compact’ class. Although the Panasonic GX1 with 14-42mm PZ comes pretty close for around the same price. Video wise, image quality at 1080/24p is actually rather detailed and can be almost DSLR standard but it is not a match for the GH2 because of heavy aliasing, a slow fixed lens and a lack of manual control. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7339/canon-powershot-g1-x-review-part-1/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

You can't judge res from a clip shot at ISO 12,800! We just don't know much about what went into this clip in terms of post processing, camera settings and compression. Vimeo clip download file size is tiny, much smaller than a raw ALL-I 90Mbit file. Various review sites have a 5D Mark III already. Once one gets one with a clue about video, then maybe we can rest easy knowing our pre-orders won't need to be cancelled! It is looking good so far though....

Andy. Don't be such a negative man.  ??? I don't understand how you can put such a negative spin on performance like that. It is genuinely ground breaking. It is soft because of heavy compression for the web and the in-camera noise reduction (probably) turned up high. Turn that off, and see what the 91Mbit ALL-I files look like before passing judgement on the fineness of noise grain and resolution. To have ISO 12,800 that clean is extraordinary quite frankly and I don't understand all the insane anti-DSLR negativity around. Frankly wish they would shut up!