Andrew Reid

MbD. Canon apologist of the year. I am starting to think this is part of the problem!

Why does it say card recording not supported then?

It will probably have great AF in video mode to boot. And much more affordable fast primes. Is that 100% confirmation of no Canon LOG internally?

$3000 for a 28-70mm F2 In 4K with the crop factor it is a $3000 49-122mm F3.5. Not so impressive, huh.

At 480Mbit you are back up at MJPEG file sizes. You put your money where your mouth is and try doing a long professional shoot with those file sizes and see how you get on... It's all very well being an armchair shooter and Canon fanboy, but that's not reality. And it is probably still 8bit. Not even 4:2:2 this time. I am sure you will find a way to defend that as well. The Z7 has it for breakfast. Better internal codec. LOG. HDMI is 10bit. And so on. M50 has a wild 4K crop. Canon's CMOS technology is too old to run fast enough

Indeed. Imagine the uproar if Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera had a limitation where it could only shoot APS-C stills. But video users are expected to put up with it "because.... S35". Bullshit. I won't be buying it if it is cropped. Doesn't matter if 1.5x crop, 1.6x crop, 1.75x crop, people can argue amongst themselves about that all day. I will simply take my money off to Panasonic, Sony and Nikon, and call it a day. No point having such a nice lens as a 28-70mm F2.0 if I can't make proper use of it in 4K.

The specs sheet references the fact you can't use EF-S crop mode in 1080/60p. Only at 30p and under. So it is not just a stills mode. It might be unavailable in 4K, or they might have squeezed a slightly wider pixel readout onto the sensor to give 1.6x 4K, but no full frame. This still sucks, because it is a full frame camera. If I wanted APS-C, I'd buy APS-C (and save money). The 28-70mm F2 will be pretty pointless at 1.6x or 1.75x crop. It would need a Speed Booster and older DSLR glass on it, or the Sigma 18-35mm but even that is not all that wide at 1.75x crop. You are such a Canon fanboy, aren't you?

You clearly have never used the X-H1 as it does have dual card slots. https://***URL removed***/reviews/fujifilm-x-h1/2 ALL-I is 35 minutes per 128GB card on the EOS R. It is a very inefficient way to shoot video and most people want IPB at a high bitrate (200Mbit like the Fuji provides). X-H1 battery life is just fine, and even better with the grip. It's ZERO problem. Yes and still a massive 4K crop. X-T2 has less rolling shutter in 4K than the 5D IV. I have tried both and still own an X-T2. It is not the image processing that matters, but the CMOS rolling shutter speed.

Unless the sensor dramatically speeds-up, it won't matter much. The rolling shutter was already borderline unusable in 4K on the 5D Mark IV with a 1.74x crop. Imagine what it would be like at full image height, at the same slow scan-rate. Best we can hope for is pixel binning 4K.

Thanks. Please continue in the Pro Color thread. https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/27285-now-available-eoshd-pro-color-v4-hdr-for-sony-a7-iii-and-a7r-iii/

The sensor total count is 31.7 megapixels on both the 5D IV and EOS R. Does not bode well.

Now some of the dust has settled in the 2018 full frame mirrorless game, we can start to get a clearer picture about what's on offer. Read the full article

No.

The music video footage is pristine. But was it shot in APS-C or full frame mode? If full frame from 46MP, then I am amazed. It's flawless. Not a hint of aliasing and even better than the D850. Same question for the guy who posted the N-LOG clip for download in ProRes format. Was that full frame or APS-C? What settings Jeff?

I partly agree, but you buy an expensive full frame camera to shoot full frame don't you... Pay the same money, and do it on the Z6. Pay Canon and you get 1.75x crop. It's not acceptable. And I don't care about 10bit nearly as much as I care about the wide angle of my $2000 lens. I agree. But the EOS R is a $4000+ investment for most people, certainly not a 200D or a beginner to intermediate camera. Probably $2000+ for the body and the same again for new lenses. I have directly compared dedicated video cameras like the C300 and C500 (I own one) to my mirrorless cameras. Even the Samsung NX1's 4K is better than the C300, more cinematic, less moire and aliasing, just as good colour. https://www.eoshd.com/2015/02/samsung-nx1-vs-canon-c300/ Or you could get a Sony. I preferred the A7S II over the FS5. A7 III is even better. Or a Nikon. Or a Panasonic. Or a Fuji. Or an Olympus. Or a Blackmagic. If someone is in the market for a pro video camera then they wouldn't be evaluating the EOS R at all or any of the other full frame mirrorless cameras, so it's an unrelated argument anyway. Most people do not actually choose a C300 for the best image. They just don't realise you can add NDs, larger battery and a pro audio interface to a mirrorless camera And want to look "PRO". I don't think the ALL-I 400Mbit 4K on the GH5 is "quite poor". And the audience will notice the full frame look of a Sony A7 III before the notice codec subtleties. The main issue is people can't fcking grade it! I am curious what stuff you've watched from the camera and how well it was shot and graded.

The mirrorless is growing. If you're saying the overall interchangeable lens market is declining because DSLRs are approaching obsolescence, then that's accurate. The way you said it is not. And I don't accept your Panasonic jibe either.

Matt is right, the EF-S crop is a feature so it gets a mention in the specs, even if only in passing. EF-S crop might only apply to the full frame 1080p mode, so it could still be 1.75x only in 4K and EF-S/Full-Frame selector would be greyed out in the menus. Seems pretty obvious that it's a 5D IV in a mirrorless body. It's not suddenly going to be doing miracles on the tech side. Once again Canon played it too safe.

It could be said that mirrorless cameras don't actually cannibalize pro video camera sales. Sony don't seem to think so. Neither do Panasonic. Canon clearly has a different opinion. But if you look at their Cinema EOS cameras at the moment, they're not even that hot either. I think Canon is behaving tired, almost. Depressed, even. They need new top-management. The current bunch are just too elderly and too risk averse to truly allow creative freedom across each product line.

Tommy Wiseau shoots both digital AND film. What a way to go.

If a Hollywood movie looks good, it's almost certainly not down to S35 sensor size as the main factor, and even Hollywood is heading towards full frame as a 'want', even if it's not yet a must have.

Fuji should have a full frame option. Yes, medium format is very nice, but none of those cameras have proper video... yet. X-T3 is a small fish APS-C in what is about to become a sea of full frame sharks. When you can buy an A7 III for only a BIT more money, you have to question if high-end APS-C has much of a future.

That's the thing. We're paying for FULL FRAME lenses. A very nice one, in the case of that groundbreaking 28-70mm F2.0 (Although I am 99% sure Sigma is working on one as well, for EF, Nikon and Sony E mount). What's the point if we can't use them? May as well put a Speed Booster on it and use something else. Do Canon want to sell their mirrorless lenses, or not? I really thought the high-end full frame mirrorless would be when they woke up to what modern video users need. Apparently not. They are still more interested in segmenting the stills and video market with a big wall. Who is going to want to shoot 1.75x crop (worse if you calculate diagonal as well), with no IBIS, on a $2k+ zoom that has no wide angle end? Especially when you can choose a Nikon Z7, Z6, A7 III, A7R III or wait for the upcoming Panasonic monster cam.

Oh yeah, because THAT's what you buy a full frame camera for! SILLY ME!! I don't know how in your head 1.74x crop or a 1.9x crop = 1.5x S35, by the way. Why the hell should it not be? It's probably going to cost upward of $3k!! And I'd be surprised if that 28-70mm F2.0 was less than $2k.

You haven't bothered to factor in the vertical crop as well. Either way, who wants it? It's 2018. Full frame for video, or go home.

At least you can put a Speed Booster on the EOS R. If one will ever come out.