Andrew - EOSHD

Hmm I'm not sure... What do people think to focal reducers? Is that cheating with sensor size a bit? Or should it be allowed?

Rules tweak The limit is now $200 / £200 / €200 But the lower it is, the more the judges will be impressed. Sure, you can use your existing GH2 which is just about a $200 camera now in some places... But it won't win you many bonus points for creativity. The cinematography and how good you make the camera look remains the main thing, but if you do it with something far less capable than a GH2, I'll be mightily impressed. Having said that, I'll be just as impressed if you manage to shoot 4K for under $200. There is also the "public vote", where all the entries will go into a forum poll. The winner of the EOSHD judge award wins a prize from me. The winner of the public poll receives the camera of the last place man, just to spice it up Yes you can shoot with anything... a DSLR, mirrorless, compact. But no Magic Lantern as that would be a big old cheat vs someone with H.264 from 2009. Big bonus points for finding BARGAINS... This is partly a treasure hunt challenge, and about research into image quality. Feel free to use Google and DPReview video quality chart for example. If you manage to find a 4K beast for under $200, you get a big advantage, so well done. If you find something far less capable but manage to make it look amazing with your shooting skills, also a big well done. Two ways to approach it.

I think this is the final part of the rules, which I haven't yet decided on. What do people think? I don't think the GH2 is under $150 yet, is it? The spirit of the challenge is to try something new... Go on a shopping hunt, a voyage of discovery, researching a new camera you never used, or overlooked when it first came out. But then if you don't have a spare $150 and just want to use the oldest, cheapest camera on your shelf, perhaps that should be allowed as well... provided it is actually now a $150 camera in 2019 on ebay. Yep, that's allowed. LOL. You bought it for $150 or under so it's within the rules. The challenge will be how you get around the damage, without it hurting the image so much that you get voted out of the cinematography challenge

Just to clarify the lenses and filters rules: I want to keep it simple, with as few rules as possible. I think we should be allowed to use whatever lens we like as long as it's relatively old and cheap-ish. But if someone only has a $250 50mm F1.4 Nikon AI-S for example, I wouldn't be against them using it. Just no really fancy stuff. Maybe bonus points for you, if you go for a REALLY cheap lens? On filters... These are allowed... ND filter and basic essentials like that are ok. Soft mist filter, UV filter, etc. and trick lens filters are all ok too for creative reasons.

Out of my cold dead hands!! So a quick summary of the rules then... 1. Under £150/150euros/$150, to make it simple. I think that also rules out ProRes and 4K but if you genuinely find a camera like that under the price limit, fair play. So I am allowing 4K and better codecs, if you can get em. 2. Proof of purchase receipt. Can be recent. You do not need to buy another camera, but it does have to be within the past 6 months and under $150. 3. No Magic Lantern RAW... It would thrash everything else and make the contest a bit boring. 4. Lens has to be "reasonably priced" and you can only use one. Choose wisely from your existing stuff. I will catch you if you use an Otus. 5. Use whatever else you like, in terms of cards, etc. 6. Tripod or handheld only - so no fancy rigs or sliders. 7. No fancy lights. 8. No fancy actors. 9. You can use slow-mo, if your camera does 60p for example 10. No fancy lens adapters like an expensive Speed Booster 11. Declare your camera (post pictures of it) in the competition thread (once competition has started) 12. In the final video, upload to YouTube or Vimeo with description of what mode you shot in and codec (i.e. 1080p 24p / 720p 60p / etc.) THE GOAL It's a cinematography and mood challenge, to make your camera look AS GOOD AS POSSIBLE. I don't really care about the story or message, although if you want to do one that's fine as well and it may serve the images nicely. Sound can be anything you like - but I'd prefer some emotional attachment with the pictures. It enhances the cinematography and mood a LOT if you get it right. Everything else is up to you. No time limit. No editing limitations, you can use a LUT, colour grade, warp stabilisation, slow-mo, etc. if you think it improves your piece. PRIZE I will pick a winner for the main prize, and there will also be a forum vote for the most popular video. I'll reveal the prize after the entries are in. Would love to do a photography one of these some time as well, in collaboration with another forum member - maybe @Mattias Burling ? Who is in, and who agrees with the 10 rules? Any suggestions welcome. For the start of the competition, please wait for the main blog post... Maybe in a few days, or this weekend. In the mean time... happy shopping / dusting off It's still in the spirit of the challenge if you find a camera as good as that for under $150. I doubt you can though. Remember though, it's the cinematography that matters as well... You can easily make a 4K camera look worse than a much cheaper one if the shooting technique isn't nice

Amazed. That's more than the GH5 sticky topic. And a lot more than the sticky topics at the official Blackmagic forum on 20-30k. Wonder how many Pocket 4K units are actually out there?

Viewing distances + screen size, not just the size. I notice nearly every pixel of a 1080p image on a laptop, sat close to it, and same image at cinema sat way back looks like an 8K film scan

I don't think it is, although nobody knows for sure how they did it. You don't. I can only guess. Reverse engineering some electronic contacts isn't the same as infringing IP, is it?

Looking at the WEX deals, the D200 in particularly is very capable. Good ergonomics as well. The Fuji S5 Pro I bought from WEX cost more than the D200, but it's got the Fuji CCD. Colour is lovely and it came boxed almost as if it's never been used. Not bad for £120! It also somewhat blows my mind that you can now get a Fuji X-T1 for £160. Nothing for that price can touch it for mirrorless photography. The EVF, the lovely design, decent AF and very capable sensor. On the video side, the GX80 is a bargain at £160 as well... 5 axis IBIS and 4K, plus I hear some bloke will give it CineLikeD if asked nicely?!

Maybe we could do a similar thing also for stills. What's the cheapest APS-C or full frame DSLR which still holds up today... I'd say 5D classic or Fuji S5 Pro Mattias could organise that one? Challenges at different prices could also be interesting... Who has a camera between $300 - $500 that can take a blind test, where people mistake it for a $3000 one? Seen a GH2 for £120 But a G6 is even more bang for buck now

Everyone should try a gorilla pod for handheld video... It gives you four points of contact on the body. 2 legs of the pod are on your chest or lower shoulder area, the 3rd leg acts as a handle. The 4th contact point is the EVF of the camera held to the eye. When you try this, you wonder if you even need IBIS. IBIS is making us lazy and its floaty. I am going to shoot a test where I use an X-T3 with the pod, and compare it to X-H1 with IBIS bare bones... See which looks most cinematic and steady. Obviously the pod isn't going to provide dolly in the sky like movements, but it replicates the look of a steady shoulder rig on the cheap and easy

Yes rules... something like: Erm, no cheating. Have to show some kind of proof of purchase (receipt). No putting a Cooke PL lens on it. No fancy rigs. Tripod or gorilla pod handheld. It's not really a storytelling test or acting challenge, so no elaborate filmmaking here...Just pure cinematography... Streets, normal stuff but try and make the ordinary look as amazing as possible. Dogme 95 style shoot, so no expensive lights either! Natural light. Maybe we should all use the same $20 lens? A 50mm Helios? The rules on lenses could be that it has to be one we already own, which cost under $150 as well... Then free choice as far as focal length and aperture goes, can even use a cheap zoom... but only ONE LENS in total. Muhaha. Thinking out loud... Should Magic Lantern cameras even be allowed? Or do we have to pick an off the shelf digital camera? If Magic Lantern was allowed, we'd all be using a 50D or EOS M and it might be a bit boring.

Still the logic doesn't add up. "Oh dear, I shoot corporate video for a living and can't afford the extra $400 for an X-T3" Yes all those poor C100 A and B cam owners, who can ONLY stretch to the X-T30 and Ninja. Not! Not very, if it overheats with the Ninja. Digital Bolex D16, a $3500 camera. Nice. Are you still definitely sure you want to save that $400 for the X-T30 over X-T3 and have it overheat on a work shoot? I can agree with you on that one! Quite a bit of difference. Sometimes the X-T30 codec has some posterisation in the shadows when X-T3... and oddly the old X-E3... does not. Still a very decent codec though for 8bit. Can definitely recommend the fuji 23mm F2... if you can afford it with all those D16s you've bought ?

I win! https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=sdigpandcgx800bob&categoryName=cameras-compact-system&superCatName=electronics&title=panasonic-lumix-dc-gx800-(body-only)-b 4K for £135 But this got me thinking as well... What if we have a fun "EOSHD Challenge" where we all trawl the bargain bins in our local towns and online, pick something for super cheap, could be $50, $100, no more than $150 or $200... Make a video with it. Then the winner is judged in a poll - on artistic merit, and technical image quality (can be 1080p of course) The winner, wins the camera of the last place guy ? Plus a special bonus camera from EOSHD. What do you think? Worth setting up a challenge like this?

Something about this logic doesn't add up. The reason you get an X-T30 instead of an X-T3 is for the smaller size and lower price. So wouldn't it make more sense to add a LARGE and EXPENSIVE external recorder to the X-T3 instead? Doesn't seem to stop Gerald doing a dump on it though, even though he's yet another YouTuber with more money than common sense. Of course the smaller body size limits it thermally, it's very powerful hardware cramped into a smaller space so that's to be expected. It's got the 4K recording time limits for a reason. In other news... https://www.fujifilm.com/support/digital_cameras/software/firmware/x/xt30/index.html They fixed the Q button. None of the Fuji hipster designers used the camera after drawing it with their Apple pencils. Good job real engineers exist to save the day!

How naive can some people get? Max is on a PR mission, he's not here to actually contribute to a forum. The PR mission is only necessary as he's been outed faking a shot to make Fuji look greener than Kermit The Frog. If it wasn't for that, he wouldn't be here. Max exists for clicks and to make money, and if he can use the research and knowledge of other people for free to further his content along the way then he's all the richer for it.

Hollywood in the loosest sense of the word. It's a fucking talk show

It really depends on what you're shooting. Quite often you can get away with 30ms, even for handheld shooting. The A6400 didn't set my pants on fire not so much as it failed to fix the weak rolling shutter performance of that line-up, rather as it's basically a retrograde step from the A6500 for not much less money and the lack of creativity that went into the design of that camera range is quite something. I even prefer the handling and styling of the NEX 7 from years back. Much sexier. If we were to grade cameras only by rolling shutter, NX1 would have been back of the pack as well but as we know, it's a wonderful creative tool and very well liked. Taken as a whole package I think Fuji GFX 100 is definitely a good option for cinematic amazing images (I hesitate to say "work" as there are much more boring and practical options for pro video work)... And cinematic is all I care about here

Of course you will be crediting Kye and the EOSHD Forum with where you first heard about these videos and grading techniques if you end up mentioning them on your channel, won't you

Try it. That is all

I have all 3. The Fringer has the fastest AF. In stills mode that is. The Kipon is an excellent speed booster, but the AF is not currently up there with the Fringer. Viltrox is cheap, but AF ranks third. None are really usable in video mode for autofocus, they don't track well or do AF-C quickly. AF-S is fine.

Wow that is a big image. Amazing it even achieves 30ms scan rate with such a hefty frame. That would be in a raw buffer inside the camera as well. Imagine a hack?!!

The 1D C frame also shows the strength of Canon's colour science though... Although I think Fuji is pretty good as well.

Here's another good example of why it's worth chasing the film look with your choice of video gear... Top shot is Canon 1D C, which ultimately thrashes the 6D Mark II Below is the Samsung NX1, which looks a lot more digital Then again, NX1 can be fixed, graded, hacked, to look amazing. With a 6D Mark II, you are relying much more on the lighting, subjects, lenses, etc. All important, but it HAS to have remarkable material in front of it to look cinematic, whereas with a great camera you can make the ordinary look cinematic, and the good material even better.

Indeed, it's early days yet, innit. I don't have any real conclusion from watching the sample footage released so far, which mostly looks fine. Pixel binning is in action for video on this camera which usually results in better rolling shutter than a full pixel readout. The total sensor resolution is almost irrelevant if it is only pixel binning what it needs for a 3840 x 2160 frame, but it might be doing clever stuff and averaging, summing or what have you... which would require sampling more of the total 100 megapixel sensor than more basic binning methods. Still a lot faster than reading out every pixel though like it does in e-shutter mode for 100MP stills. Maybe there is a spec sheet for the Sony sensor somewhere which would tell us the clock-speed, readout speed, etc. @androidlad? If RS make it unsuitable for certain types of work, to write it off for video altogether would be a bit churlish because of that, as it's a medium format 4K camera and what alternatives are there? We can put the Kipon "BavEyes" on a Nikon Z6 and get the medium format look from 6x7 and Pentax 645 lenses, but you can't put a full frame lens on an oversized sensor and see further into the glorious edges and swirly bokeh. Full frame glass on the GFX 100 will be unique, as it is for the 50S. Even if rolling shutter is as bad as an A6400, once prices come down on used market to around £5k this GFX 100 would replace an awful lot of my stills and video gear for image quality and lens rendering. Until then, Fuji is doing a great job giving us 4K bargains... X-T3, X-T30, X-E3, X-Pro 2, the list goes on! Glorious stuff.