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In good light the X4 is just on another planet compared to the 1 inch. Is not apple to apple as is the same location, mount but different time of the year but still I could never get such details from the 1 inch or the R. Just look at the mountains in the background and the detail on me.... Unprocessed screen grab from 8k 30, 200 mbits, sharpening low Processed X4 Processed 1 inch from 5.7 30 I will compare also in low light, but for a first quick look I feel they both look similarly bad 😉
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EduPortas reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon N-Line the new Canon C-Line for video?
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EduPortas reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon N-Line the new Canon C-Line for video?
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Possibly, but he's seeing first-hand the HUGE shakeup in RED and he decided to cut ties before the sheet hit the fan. That in itself speaks volumes about the new Japanese work-culture that will be enforced sooner rather than later. It's Nikon we're talking about. One of the most, if not THE most, hierarchical imaging company out there.
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EduPortas reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon N-Line the new Canon C-Line for video?
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Yep, the future will bring really interesting things to the video world. Hopefully, with less expensive gear.
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RaymondDiolo started following Sony A9III with Global Shutter
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Miltonloath started following Nikon buys Red?
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: Upcoming Insta360 X4 8K, in less than one hour, here?
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WOW Indeed! Nice to know : ) Please post your findings, thanks! I am in course for one or a couple of them... Right, on the spot, who wants it for less (under the right settings), other than higher frame rate acquisition? Higher resolution is always useful not necessarily for delivery but for handling it before :- )
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I just got mine 1h ago, boy they were fast in delivering. I will go for an MTB ride in 1h and test it out a bit and report back. First thing I did is to set it to 8k 30, highbitrate and sharpens to low.
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Anyway @kye remember this time it's H.265... Without mention there are some inspiring/promising shots out there which looks to put it at the Ace Pro level, at least under sun light... Let alone some specific usage for certain purpose such as frame rate (4K100fps) this time under usable output coupled to different reframe possible options along the capability of introducing a few camera movements within the framing itself. Now at acceptable outcome? Many times we need some device doing it by itself 'cause you're simply operating something else. I guess overheating concerns are prone to be more of an issue (when you'll want to buy the new toy only for 8K or 4K 100fps) you can overcome though, with the purchase of two units anyway and yet try to play with 3D acquisition when that's not a trouble, isn't it? ;- )
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Indeed there is! They were smart to choose the Z Cam EVF for it so they won't need a separate wireless transmitter (though there will be a bit of lag with the Ninja in-between). That one's been discussed here, I think. Should fit in a niche somewhere, though with DSMC2 VV cameras selling and renting at pretty reasonable prices, I'm not sure what that niche might be. 😅
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon N-Line the new Canon C-Line for video?
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon N-Line the new Canon C-Line for video?
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: Upcoming Insta360 X4 8K, in less than one hour, here?
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Lucas Nguyen joined the community
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Great problem solving thinking guys. so my next question is, has anyone found a way to shape Sony images to resemble the skintones that clog2 provides in the c70? I find those to be the most pleasing images I’ve seen in awhile.
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SRV1981 reacted to a post in a topic: Color - SOOC vs. LUTs/Grading
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SRV1981 reacted to a post in a topic: Color - SOOC vs. LUTs/Grading
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Seems fairly reasonably, at this point I could see hopping to canon if they gave their prosumer cameras CLog2
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SRV1981 reacted to a post in a topic: R5 II - May Announcement?
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...or you could just create your own flat/pseudo log transfer characteristic in-camera by adjusting a standard picture profile (e.g. contrast, saturation, highlight/shadow curves) to give you a compromise SOOC/gradable format that fits your needs?
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If you want useable SOOC video that looks reasonable when played directly, but which has high DR for grading if you want to, you could try shooting in 10-bit HLG? It's a compromise format that is designed to provide decent looking video on non-HDR displays, and full HDR on HDR-capable displays - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_log–gamma . Note it uses Rec. 2020 colour space/gamut, so the colours will be distorted to some extent on a Rec. 709 display. KnightsFan said: ...and I've also tried grading HLG (from my OM-1) and found it OK. I think Log is better for grading (than HLG), but Log is not very usable as SOOC video (unless you really like watching low-contrast/saturation video!).
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For me to upgrade..... Must have: 8k 60 RAW with AF and Aperture control using the internal battery Waveform while recording No time limits Better IBIS for video Face AF within an AF Zone like the R3 Nice to have: Zoom-in while video playback or at least when paused on a frame... why does no C line nor R line have it?!? LUT applied on video playback Better DR Better RS Peaking while in AF mode Sharper 4k 120 4k 120 with audio Less lag wifi video transmission Easier phone-camera connection.... it is a mess at the moment they should copy insta360 approach that always work. I'm dreaming: Dual CFExpress Two USB-C ports USB-C no lag video to iPhone so can be used as a screen without additional HW that make no sense... Low latency bluetooth audio Full HDMI port 32 bit float audio Wireless mic support (RODE or DJI or your Canon developed transmitter) Dual tripod socket, this is so basic not sure why no camera manufactured do this. 4k 240
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The first thing I checked? ....and the last thing I checked. I've posted practically the same thing on every one of these releases, but the principle remains. If you crop in to the image, like 99.99% of shots will be, then the resolution doesn't matter, the bitrate does. 8K at 200Mbps cropped to a 90 degree FOV (about a 24mm lens) is 2K at around 12Mbps.
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My prediction is: 1: Add 8k RED raw to high end MILC's such as the Z9 or its successor. 6k to lower tier stuff such as the Z6 line... 2: Develop a cine line of their own in tandem with a RED line but a few differences, a bit like Lumix SL2 and Leica S1R (see what I did there?) ie, just boxed and badged slightly differently. 3: The next RED camera will have Z Mount as will any/all future RED cameras and RF for one final fling...if at all, before cutting Canon completely out of the loop. Summary: Nikon have come back strong in the last couple of years, especially with the Z9, Z8, Zf and probably Z6iii and I expect that market share and their image to continue to improve. I expect them to push now into the video/cine market much more than they have with just hybrid MILC cameras and develop a dedicated cine line akin to Sony, so FX3, FX6, FX9, Burano... The appeal and their market will be to 'prosumers', hybrid event shooter people like me, indie filmmakers and the commercial market plus maybe some 'Hollywood' budget level productions, but won't oust Arri or Sony from that perch, ie, will be niche in that regard. Nothing else makes any sense to me. But what do I know, I ain't exactly Quasimodo. (Got to be a boxing fan to get that one) 😜
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Good evening to all !! Here is my very first try with handle hand video with my a7iv using Gyroflow. I didnt go up at shutterspeed like 1/200 like other users said to avoid blur here and there and the results at some cases didnt go well. But for the first time i use it , i thing is a very powerful tool ! So , here is my pride, the Tenere 700 with a recent change in full body exhaust, filter and program. +5.5 horses that didn't spoil us at all! The sound from the camera does not accurately reflect the sound of the exhaust, but what did we do!
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I just sold my trusted 2 years old 1 inch 360 (I still have 2 normal 1 inch + dual lens) and ordered the X4 for the same price. From the paid "reviews" it seems that the X4 has more details and less artifacts, the biggest issue I have with the 1 inch but without trying myself I don't trust to much these reviews. Lowlight I think they are all quite bad and not really usable, already skiing on north faces in shade in Alaska the 1 inch breaks apart compared to south faces in sunshine. 1 inch sun vs shade: The X4 is 20% lighter, smaller and better weatherproof so if it turns out to really deliver a bit better detail and less artifacts, I'm happy. I will let you know if it is really an improvement or not over the 1 inch. Ideally, they should do a X4 Pro with 8k and 2x 1 inch.... let's hope it comes in the future.
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Was this guy responsible for the genius idea of putting a CFE card inside Red mini mag and charge 10x?
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What the... HECK???? That makes no sense at all, unless they're planning to just let RED slowly die?? But when I read the article myself, I see it in a completely different manner: 1) will take time to integrate Nikon and RED together, might be years. There is a lot to do! So with all the other stuff on their plate, perhaps a Z Mount Cinema Camera won't be the first thing out the gate, maybe it will be one more cycle down the road. (maybe they want to make a BIG impact with it when they release it? Have awesome AF with RED) 2) they want to keep their loyal RED customers happy during these turbulent times, so "for now" they'll reassure them by keeping RF mount There is a very cool mod for a Fujifilm camera however: https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/04/16/old-fast-glass-ofg-custom-65-rehoused-fujifilm-gfx-100-ii-cinema-camera/
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I agree the lawsuit and the patent for Redcode was probably the driving force, but they didn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars to buy Red solely for the patent. They could have licensed it for 2 decades and developed their own cine line of cameras and lenses for less than that. Other than the RedCode patent... what other tech does Red have? They have an established brand in the high end cinema space and a lower tiered customer base that will pay top dollar to be a part of that brand. Don't get me wrong, I love photographic history and I am a huge fan of Nikon. I own a small set of ai-s lenses and a small set of scalloped ringed non-ai lenses with the "C" coating. They're obviously one of the greatest photographic companies in history with an amazing lineage... in the photographic world. Until very recently, their video capabilities were lacking. It will take a while for them to gel with a lot of cinematographers... they'll just use Arri cameras instead. Then again... I reserve the right to be completely wrong.
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kiymyers37 joined the community
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They bought RED bc of their tech, not their brand recognition. And the whole lawsuit entanglement, obviously. I HIGHLY doubt they will juggle the Nikon brand with all its complexity AND a cinema line of cameras. That won't look right to investors. Nikon has been ruthless the last couple of years in trimming the fat. They finally made some gains bc the pushed new consumers upstream with the Z-Line. No way they'll let competitors (Canon in particular) use a Red camera with a Canon lens now. That's out the window ASAP. On the contrary: they'll fortify the Z-Line and keep new customers there. It's all about the Z-Line and a new video branch in that ecosystem.
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Doubtful. Antiquated cultural practices aside, Nikon didn't need Red to create a lower tiered cinema camera. They bought a patent and a brand. A brand with a VERY loyal following in the lower tier and a loyal user base in the higher tier, Hollywood, cinematography world. If they aren't, at all, interested in the brand, then they spent hundred of millions of dollars for a patent. Red doesn't make lower tiered cameras, but they can help each other. If Nikon eventually dismantles the Red brand, it won't be in 2 years. Maybe in a decade after they gain the trust and reputation with the Red loyal user base and the Hollywood cinematography community. I do think the Komodo could bridge the gap between Red and Nikon, though... with the OG Komodo being more Nikon with a new composite, user friendly design and the Komodo X staying truer to the Red brand. But I think Nikon will use a "powered by Red" moniker, or something like that, in their higher tiered MILCs.
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Sophie Peterson joined the community
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News in the last 24 hours... new resignation: «Over the past 18 years, I have had the privilege of being immersed in one of the most groundbreaking underdog tech-success stories of all time. Against all odds, a small, tactical group of like-minded individuals transformed into a focused army targeted at revolutionizing the cinematography and photography industries. We watched from the inside as RED DIGITAL CINEMA emerged from the vapor, and forged itself into an industry titan. I would like to thank Jim Jannard and Jarred Land for a life-defining opportunity and embodying the essence of true product and brand design pioneers. Constantly walking on the edge of accepted reality and questioning the fabric of the universe was the minimum price of entry. Huge congratulations go to NIKON for acquiring the best camera company in existence. I have decided to resign from the post of Chief Design Officer and confidently pass the torch on to the next generation of disruptors to evolve, grow, and metamorphose within NIKON. Thank you to everyone who has embraced and supported our unorthodox methodologies, and mechanical sculpture that defines the design language of RED’s light-devouring beasts.» ~ Matthew Tremblay -- Chief Design Officer: RED Digital Cinema (2006-2024) source: LinkedIn profile's post
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Not likely. Japanese companies are famous for their anti-gaijin philosophy. They don't like foreign company work-cultures. It's not their style of business. RED has some good products but Nikon will always see them as a "lesser" brand, not comparable in pedigree to them or Canon. Give it a two years and they'll dismantle the entire thing or suffer administrative chaos. They'll dump 99.9% of the work force in RED once they show them their big-brain stuff. After that, it's one cut after another to keep their stockholders happy and fortify the Nikon--not RED--brand.
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It would be utterly ridiculous for Nikon to absorb or abolish the Red brand, especially since they aren't natural competitors. They purchased Red for the Redcode patent so they didn't have to license compressed raw from Red or ticoRaw. It's really that simple. If they use the Red branding in any future Nikon release, who knows. If they decide to venture into the low tier cinema camera market, it will involve the Komodo and they won't change the name of it other than add Nikon to it somewhere. Maybe... Nikon CineRed Komodo. They won't take the Red name away, they'll just add Nikon.