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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: RAW Momentum?
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Could be just me, but these videos look better then the lumix launch video's.
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Other than marketing, raw is easy. I mean in electronics, bandwidth is always cheaper to provide than processing power, and raw needs less processing and more bandwidth. Note how soon Sony increased the bandwidth per sensor lane from 4Gb/s to 12.5Gb/s. 8 of these can handle 100Gb/s, enough for 10k60p 12bit!
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The simultaneous release of the Zr and C50, along with Resolve's ability to import ProRes RAW, was truly like throwing a stone into a pond. Now the shilltubers and others are going crazy over RAW. I wonder if this is just a moment or if it will last. I have played with the Zr RAW files you linked me to. Gorgeous. So far, there is no news of C50 files. If any of you have representative ProRes RAW files from the S1II, S1R, and GH7 to share, you would be doing me a big favor. What I wonder is, do we really need RAW? As far as I know, even in cinema it is used sparingly. Of course, knowing you can shoot in RAW if you need to is nice, but has the cost of storage dropped, or did I miss something? Where the hell do I save an archive of RAW files? I would prefer H.265 or similar files that are lightweight and pleasant to work with. I have seen files from the FX3/FX6 that were spectacular and graded like butter in the Color page.
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Damn, now that looks something different than the NEV to R3D hack
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Emanuel reacted to a post in a topic: Blackmagic brings genlock to the iPhone 17 Pro, while Apple’s first ProRes RAW goes straight to your pocket...
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Beautifully done. I'm sold!
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jbCinC_12 reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon Zr is coming
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majoraxis reacted to a post in a topic: 1-inch 8K 18 stops of dynamic range
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Got you : ) But. Saying something new doesn’t matter is like refusing to plant seeds because not every one will grow. Complaining about "the new" is like grumbling at a garden: some seeds fail, but a few surprise you with a nice tree. They also mean democratization today. Of course, this has led to a flood of mediocre content, but it also opens doors to those who otherwise wouldn’t even have the chance to try. I finished film school twenty-two years ago. Still kickin’ ; ) not exactly 'cause of the old-school film I got from there. : P
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: Blackmagic brings genlock to the iPhone 17 Pro, while Apple’s first ProRes RAW goes straight to your pocket...
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: Blackmagic brings genlock to the iPhone 17 Pro, while Apple’s first ProRes RAW goes straight to your pocket...
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: LUMIX FX3 Killer in April?
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eatstoomuchjam reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon Zr is coming
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Another very nice video
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Emanuel reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon Zr is coming
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Davide DB reacted to a post in a topic: Nikon Zr is coming
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i worked more days in construction this year than i have in the film and commercial industry. sorry but who cares about pushing boundaries and constant releases of new means when there’s less and less work to use the means on?
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For sure. The “18 stops” claim comes from the manufacturer (sensor-level, special HDR mode). It’s plausible as a sensor specification under controlled conditions/multi-exposure HDR — but practical DR measured in real cameras has been substantially lower due to optical and pipeline factors. Although the sensor itself has a “theoretical” 18 stops, many other factors (noise, analog-to-digital conversion, image pipeline, compression, amplifier architecture, pixel readout, linearity, saturation capability) limit the actual practical performance. Manufacturer's claim = sensor under optimized conditions (two/more readings, dual-gain, on-sensor HDR, internal measurements). This isn't necessarily the DR you'll get in a final phone/camera. Actual limits: optics (flare/veiling glare), amplifiers, pipeline noise, compression, RAW/JPEG processing — all of which reduce useful DR. https://www.imatest.com/docs/full.html Imatest/DxOMark measure the system, not just the sensor die (photodiodes (light-capturing pixels), transistors, amplifiers, readout lines, A/D converters, etc.). Lab values applied to cameras tend to show much lower useful DR on sensors of this size — hence the large difference between manufacturer claims and practical DR. However, if this OmniVision sensor actually comes to fruition with 18 practical stops, that will be revolutionary for such small sensors — it would be worth watching for announcements and technical tests.
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After editing 5 days footage with NEV to R3D hack straight from the CFExpress, and with just NEV I still don’t know if Red’s IPP2 pipeline is better than how NRaw is handled in Resolve. Figured out why Red tone mapping and highlight roll of did not look better than NRaw. I have a power grade where one parallel node has +20 on shadows and -20 on light on HDR wheels, and it seems to do the same thing. Applied that power grade to Red timeline too and still it is not better, colors are duller, and if you have camera shake with IBIS accidentally off, you get severe rolling shutter, which is not seen in NRaw files. I do like the Red ISO control, and chroma NR though. Now if actual Zr colors are as good as in some of the latest videos, you can have two good, different looks from the Zr with R3D and NRaw. Not counting ProresRaw as it’s file sizes are even bigger and Raw controls worse than Red’s and Nikon’s.
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For anyone who knows one or two things about imaging science, it was obvious we can't go beyond 16 stops with current combinations of tech, as DR is not just about pixel's saturation. You can save harsh highlights from clipping but you get an overall contrast level that doesn't match to that saved highlights, which is what exactly demonstrated here.
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I was looking at the Chinese characters and wondering what rice would have to do with lenses. I looked it up and 小米 is pronounced xiao mi. Hah!
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Same technology used in Xiaomi 17 Pro. It has more DR than G9m2, but the lens quality and the algorithm used to combine low gain and high gain are horrible and so the extra highlight stops are wasted.
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https://ymcinema.com/2025/04/15/omnivision-unleashes-a-game-changing-1‑inch-8k-18-stops-of-dr-sensor-for-smartphones/ https://ymcinema.com/2025/09/30/omnivision-ov50r-8k-sensor-action-cameras/ https://www.ovt.com/press-releases/omnivision-launches-ultra-high-dynamic-range-1-inch-image-sensor-for-movie-grade-video-capture-in-flagship-smartphones/ Breaking news: currently in mass production... Imagine that reaching the mirroless/compact cameras segment, no less... Why not? ; ) In a single line: economies of scale. The funny part of the equation is the smartphones market pushing the boundaries of this industry in every front, from iPhone sales to Android. ;- )
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Are these Nikon Zr footage, or just someone putting it to get views? Just a hint that these are from France, as Limoges is a well known Basket Ball team in France. Another edit, I now saw the links.
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Yes, you are right and I am well aware of Z8 data rates too. Still, with 6k25p it is not that much of data, but you loose the ability for slow mo if you happen to need that later on. Got the Z6iii primarily for it’s 6k50p and 4k100p and have used only those for almost everything, even in low light with ISOs up to 12800. With Zr I could maybe momentarily live with only 6k25p for occasional shots. For Z8 owners Zr data rates are no problem if they’ve got used to shoot and store 8.3k NRaw high. Wouldn’t get Zr just for h.265, a Z6iii or Z8 can do that too if needed.
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8K50p N-RAW Normal is 362 MB/s. Comparisons between different codecs at different frame rates doesn't make much sense since frame rate is usually specified by the application and not used just to fill a data rate quota. h.265 is available on the ZR.
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In this case 1:2 starts to get quite heavy for the storage, might as well shoot 8k50p NRaw normal with Z8, but shooting 6k25p with R3D or APSC-C 4k50p are always options to have similar bitrates than with Z6iii. With S5ii h.265 I could store 2 or 3 year’s footage to 2TB SSD. Now with Z6iii NRaw I need 4TB per year, but maybe I’ve shot also more with Z6iii. The Red Raw needs to be something very special, and above Z6iii NRaw for me to double the storage space required😅
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There is this conspiracy theory that its a damage control campaign by Sony, which I don't agree with. Sony's position is strong enough to not bother at all. But YouTubers shouldn't behave in a way to make it easy for conspiracy theorists. I mean they all made it about FX3 since day one. They didn't even mention that S9 IBIS works better than ZR, or S1ii extract higher DR from the same sensor, or what about Canon? Nobody made a comparison with any EOS. When they all talk about just one brand and one specific model of that brand, which is not even in the same price segment, some people may get suspicious.