Undone is done

[EduPortas]

On 4/26/2026 at 5:00 PM, newfoundmass said:

Not all of it has the same value or meaning, but it's all still art. Don't try and gatekeep it, or try and tell someone that what they created isn't art just because it doesn't appeal to you.

 

I agree. It would be unwise to try and gatekeep it. Personal tastes factor in and everyone has the right to produce or consume whatever artistic product feels right.

Just to clarify, it's not what appeals to "me", it's just the concept of art in general. There are canons and 1000s of books written about this subject.

 I'm just saying art should be a category reserved for something truly special, epoch-making, just like the ancient murals discovered thousands of years after they were drawn you mentioned. I've seen the larger examples of these ancient cave paintings in Europe 4 to 6 meters wide drawn 10 or more meters above cavern floors and they are truly awe-inspiring. Anyone entering those places will never be the same thanks to that experience. It's soul-moving and deeply spiritual.

I'm not sure a 30 second reel has the same profound impact on the soul though LOL

[newfoundmass]

22 hours ago, EduPortas said:

 

I agree. It would be unwise to try and gatekeep it. Personal tastes factor in and everyone has the right to produce or consume whatever artistic product feels right.

Just to clarify, it's not what appeals to "me", it's just the concept of art in general. There are canons and 1000s of books written about this subject.

 I'm just saying art should be a category reserved for something truly special, epoch-making, just like the ancient murals discovered thousands of years after they were drawn you mentioned. I've seen the larger examples of these ancient cave paintings in Europe 4 to 6 meters wide drawn 10 or more meters above cavern floors and they are truly awe-inspiring. Anyone entering those places will never be the same thanks to that experience. It's soul-moving and deeply spiritual.

I'm not sure a 30 second reel has the same profound impact on the soul though LOL

Why should we limit what we consider art, though? Is that not gatekeeping, saying one thing is art but something else isn't? Going back to cave drawings, do you think the folks who made those thought they were creating something that would stand the test of time, or do you think they were just expressing themselves using the medium available to them, with zero regard for people who would later find them to be soul-moving and spiritual? Art is art, regardless of the impact or scale. Just some art holds more value than other art.

Also, if we are judging content and it's merits on the profound impact it has had on people, for better or worse, there are a lot of 30 second reels that have had an enormous impact on society. My old snow plow guy, who never even graduated high school, thinks he knows more about vaccinations than medical professionals because he watched a couple 30 second TikTok reels that told him they are bad. He also thought Donald Trump was going to free thousands of children from sex trafficking, that Joe Biden and the deep state stole the 2020 election, and that COVID was a man made disease meant to depopulate the earth and enslave the rest of us.

[Aussie Ash]

the ancient cave art far exceeds a 5 minute "doodle" in a boring algebra lesson ! It is highly probable the location were meeting places that held spiritual meaning .Also a lot of planning and time and effort to create them even involving "spray painting" !

The creation of prehistoric cave art in France, such as the masterpieces found in Lascaux and Chauvet, was a highly labor-intensive, complex, and "painstaking" process that required immense skill, preparation, and specialized knowledge. Artists worked in dangerous, deep-underground, and pitch-black environments using only flickering torchlight or fat-burning stone lamps. 

 

The creation process involved several steps:

Preparation: Artists often scraped or smoothed the irregular limestone surfaces before painting, and sometimes used scaffolding to reach high ceilings, as indicated by post holes and rope marks in caves.

Sourcing Materials: Pigments were sourced from local minerals, including iron oxide (red and yellow ochre) and manganese dioxide (black). These had to be found, transported, and ground into fine powders.

Techniques: Artists utilized multiple methods:

Painting: Brushes were likely made from animal hair, twigs, or plant fibers.

Spray Painting: Pigment was blown through hollow bones or reeds to create a spray-painted effect on the wall.

Engraving: Sharp flint tools were used to incise outlines into the rock.

Has anybody been to see the IMAX film "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" ?

painting is attributed to wikimedia