RAW Momentum?

[KnightsFan]

@Ilkka Nissila I don't necessarily want "log," specifically, but the arbitrary curves from most photo cameras are more difficult to work with, compared to a documented curve that the editing software can mathematically transform into a common space. And yes, while log does move bit depth from the main exposure range, 10 bit is plenty of depth to overcompensate.

[ghostwind]

If you want the best quality, can afford storage, and have good computing power for editing, I don't see why you wouldn't shoot RAW. It's not too complicated, really. 

[KnightsFan]

2 hours ago, ghostwind said:

If you want the best quality, can afford storage, and have good computing power for editing, I don't see why you wouldn't shoot RAW. It's not too complicated, really. 

You're not wrong, but the complicated part is deciding whether you can afford storage and computing power, or whether to use that money on lenses, snacks for your crew, other life expenses, etc.

[ghostwind]

8 hours ago, KnightsFan said:

You're not wrong, but the complicated part is deciding whether you can afford storage and computing power, or whether to use that money on lenses, snacks for your crew, other life expenses, etc.

True, I would agree with this. For me, I always make it a priority, even though it's costly and I don't "see" anything new when spending all that money on RAID drives/arrays, memory cards, and the computer upgrade. But I do that knowing that in the past, I've always benefited from it and have never regretted it. 

[Framed_By_Dan]

It definitely seems like manufacturers are pushing Raw like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

The average buyer of the prosumer hybrid mirrorless cameras does not need Raw. 

I noted some chat above about bandwidth vs processing power. Seems this is also the case with the Lumix S1II/S1IE.

Seems like Lumix is beginning to favour Raw over H.264 and H.265 recording, which is very disappointing. I tested one for a weekend and was let down by the horrendous digital sharpening and aggressive noise reduction in the compressed codecs, even when it's turned all way way down, it's not "off".

Many claim the extra sharpening is to help the AF, but the AF still works in Raw - the only recording format that actually looks organic and natural. So it's evidently a processing problem.

I was really excited by the prospect of the S1II but I'm afraid it's completely unusable for my needs. I don't want or need Raw, I'd just like a nice, natural looking H.265 image please.

[Ilkka Nissila]

13 hours ago, Framed_By_Dan said:

It definitely seems like manufacturers are pushing Raw like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

The average buyer of the prosumer hybrid mirrorless cameras does not need Raw. 

I noted some chat above about bandwidth vs processing power. Seems this is also the case with the Lumix S1II/S1IE.

Seems like Lumix is beginning to favour Raw over H.264 and H.265 recording, which is very disappointing. I tested one for a weekend and was let down by the horrendous digital sharpening and aggressive noise reduction in the compressed codecs, even when it's turned all way way down, it's not "off".

Many claim the extra sharpening is to help the AF, but the AF still works in Raw - the only recording format that actually looks organic and natural. So it's evidently a processing problem.

I was really excited by the prospect of the S1II but I'm afraid it's completely unusable for my needs. I don't want or need Raw, I'd just like a nice, natural looking H.265 image please.

How about Prores 422? Prores 422 4K at 25 fps is 433 Mbps vs. 2.3Gbps Prores RAW 6K (normal) and 3.5Gbps for Prores RAW HQ. I would think the Prores 422 on the S1II is likely to be a good intermediate sized format between RAW and h.265, at least from my Nikon experience the quality should be very good.  

[Framed_By_Dan]

2 hours ago, Ilkka Nissila said:

How about Prores 422? Prores 422 4K at 25 fps is 433 Mbps vs. 2.3Gbps Prores RAW 6K (normal) and 3.5Gbps for Prores RAW HQ. I would think the Prores 422 on the S1II is likely to be a good intermediate sized format between RAW and h.265, at least from my Nikon experience the quality should be very good.  

The file sizes are still too large for my work. I shoot long form, or at least a full day's worth of footage and can easily come home with 400-500gb of footage as its stands. Prores 422 would double it.