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Sure, over exposing works much better on Z6iii than it did on S5ii. If S1ii’s praise is partly due to baked in NR and over sharpening, then it has the same IQ problems than S5ii has. Thanks! With FW 2.0 view assist exposure looks now the same with NLog than in photo mode, and not over exposed any more😀

To me CineD’s latitude tests seem a bit over the top, as the last 4 and 5 stops under with heavy NR look many times quite bad already. With Z6iii ETTR is the key, it’s IQ and highlight roll off looks way better than with S5ii when you pull down exposure in post. Sure S1ii DR looks a bit better than Z6iii in paper, but for that you need to use always Prores Raw, which is more Gbps than N-Raw High and over double than N-Raw Normal. Just funny, to get S5 and S1H IQ without baked in NR and sharpening out of newest Pannys the data rate is 13-20x more than what it used to be with old H.265. At least you have options. Hope this ZR fixes Z6iii’s view assist, or adds option to load own view LUTs into camera.

Being happy in whatever camp is important. With Nikon and it’s lens options it can get expensive and out of hands quickly😆 Got 135 f1.8 Plena in the Spring, to prevent any ideas of changing back to Panny or Canon. The Z6iii firmware was also updated at the same time, and need of NR in low light was gone, as was the flickering. Not sure Panny has something like the Plena. Shooting with that is a pleasure always, and it takes good photos too. Found also a used 400mm f4.5 before the price hike, and now I am quite firmly in the Nikon camp. Been shooting all year mostly N-Raw, to see how much space it takes. Editing N-Raw is quite easy now with M3 max 128GB and 3x4TB Nvme’s. No complaints about the DR and just happy about the results IQ wise. Hope the ZR is not too big step up from Z6iii, as this shift to Nikon has cost some already😂

According to CineD S1ii seems to have quite heavy NR baked in, unless you shoot Prores Raw and edit in Final Cut. As seen from those same charts, from ISO 800 to 6400, where NLog is shot, S1ii has DR of 12.6 to 10 with NR, and Z6iii DR of 12.3 to 9.6, without NR and with faster read out speeds, and with 6k60p Raw. I would like to be back in Panny camp too, but with current offerings and lens line up no thanks.

If Prores Raw HQ at it’s highest bitrate on S1II is 4200Mbps and Panny H.265 is 200-300Mbps Prores Raw takes about 21-14x more space to get rid of the NR. 6k50p N-Raw normal takes only 7,8-5,2x more space and still your SDDs can feel it. 1,5TB of N-Raw footage would be only 192-288GB in H.265.

Thank you for the info! It seems Prores Raw is whopping 4200Mbps so it’s about 2.69x more than 6k50p N-Raw Normal on Z6iii. No thanks, my SSD’s can’t take it and Final Cut is not good as Resolve for me. It seems Cined tested those for S1II: ”with DR Boost OFF in 4K ProRes RAW 25p, we get 11.5 stops at a signal-to-noise ratio of 2 (SNR), and 12.8 stops at SNR = 1. With DR Boost ON, we now get a superb 13.1 stops at SNR = 2 and 14.3 stops at SNR = 1” For the Z6iii 6k24p NRaw on 6k timeline Gerald got 9.89 stops and on 4k timeline 10.6 stops and with some NR 12.5 stops at SNR = 2.

I will wait too. The S1ii extra DR sounds nice, but not at the expence of overly sharp details with too much baked in NR. If the PRRaw is the only option to get rid of this with S1ii, Z6iii and N-Raw is the better option, as it works with Resolve and file sizes are less than half of PRRaw. After Z6iii got the latest 1.10 firmware update, there’s not much to complain about the Z6iii IQ in shadows, no need to use NR any more, unless you need to lift shadows over 1 or 2 stops. Could be the 135mm 1.8 Plena is doing it’s magic too in low light. After 2.5 months shooting only N-Raw with normal quality I’ve got 1.5TB of footage. With PRRaw that would be over 3TB, and with H.265 only around 300GB🤪

Been using this a bit already and you can drop decode quality in Raw tab from Full to half or quarter. The viewer quality is then quite bad, but works enough for being able to sync audio. Caching or exporting to Prores422HQ also helps with Magic masks. I had just almost forgotten how easy H.265 4:2:0 is for M chips. But S1Rii 8.1k and 6.4k being only max 30p using speed warp in Resolve is at least as heavy as NR.

S5ii had improvements over orig S5, but lower level of details with oversharpening was annoying, even with 6k VLog and also with a LUT burnt in. It was especially noticeable on extracted stills when viewed from a big screen. If you check Connor McCaskill’s latest S1Rii Youtube clip, he has a download link to his footage. Had a play on resolve, and damn, S1Rii IQ looks definitely better and different than what came from S5ii sensor. Grades pretty effortlessly too. The only downside with Z6iii NRaw along the big file sizes is the NR. Don’t know if the full M4 Max chip is enough to play the timeline in real time with NR, and it is expensive. Have a PC with 5800x CPU and RTX 3080 GPU too and editing is more stuttery with it than with M3 Pro Macbook. The latest Nvidia 5xxx GPUs have 4:2:2 support now, but they are not cheap either, and I prefer the ease of using macOS. A new camera usually means you need to get a new computer for editing too, but with S1Rii that does not seem to be the case. Even M1 Pro would be fine

I wonder wasn’t that only with ISO’s below 800, so with NLog it’s not that big of an issue. High zebras at 255, expose just before highlights clip, bring it down in post and you have much cleaner shadows. if noise with NRaw is the problem use NR or shoot H.265 with NR baked in.

Thanks! Pretty much the same feeling I had when watching the video from LG OLED. I’ve shot and graded VLog for 4 years now, and last year or two to HDR in Resolve, just for fun, but never got VLog look quite as good as NRaw or NLog. VLog may have more DR but somehow it does not grade as nicely with my grading skills. With NRaw mild NR can save slightly under exposed shots, but you get flickering if shadows are raised too much. Vlog has noise too, and S5ii footage can’t be pushed as much as original S5 could. Definitely have to check Jimmy Chin’s Nikon footage.

More Nikon fuel to the fire. In case you are interested how S5ii, GH6, GH7 and Z6iii look on one timeline, here’s a video from footage we shot last year. About first 2/3rd of the video is shot with S5ii and GH6, and the rest with Z6iii and GH7. Edited and color corrected in Resolve UHD 2020 ST.2084 (PQ) 1,000 nit timeline on a M3 Macbook Pro with P3 ST 2084 display preset. Exported to H.265 80Mbps with HDR10+ metadata embedded. Resolve color space transform: GH6, GH7, S5ii: input color space Panasonic Vlog or with Lumasweet LUTs Z6iii: Color space transform from Rec2020 NLog to Rec2020 ST.2084 Camera codecs and resolutions: GH6 and GH7: 5.8k25p open gate, 5.7k50p and 4k100p S5ii: 6k25p open gate, also with Sirui Saturn 1.6x in 2.40:1 AR, 4k50p Z6iii: 6k50p and 4k100p NRaw, 5.4k50p and 4k100p H.265 NLog Lenses: GH6: Olympus 75mm F1.8, 25mm F1.8, 20mm F2 GH7: same than GH6 and Nocticron 42.5mm F1.2 S5ii: S Pro 50mm F1.4, 100mm F2.8, Sigma 35mm F2, Sirui Saturn 1.6x 75mm T2.9 Z6iii: S 50mm F1.2, 85mm F1.8, 40mm F2 The video is shot in various lighting conditions on different locations through the 4 seasons, while S5ii IBIS, AF and Estabilization firmware updates were also tested when they were released. AF was used on some of the clips with S5ii and GH7 and almost on all clips with Z6iii. And last, it’s mainly a bouldering video. In bouldering you try to climb up a specific spot of rock. The more difficult the boulder is for you the more you have to try and fail, until you may succeed. As a bonus you get to enjoy nature, what views and joys it has to offer, and capture those memories too.

Thought also 75mm handheld could be pushing it. With heavier 1,3kg Sirui Venus 1.6x panning would have probably been fine, but I did not want another big and heavy lens to carry along with my S Pro 50 F1.4. Could be the Sirui copy I had was not perfect, as it was sometimes hard to nail the focus even on a tripod through the S5II EVF. Cam’s footage looked absolutely gorgeus, like in his Ronin 4d 8k review. The same with Media Division. Nice to see what S1RII is capable of in the hands of Pros with good optics. S1RII’s 5.76M dot EVF should also help focusing compared to S5II’s 3.78M dot EVF, but they both are 0.78x and not 0.8x like in GH7 and Z6iii. There’s always compromises. Z6iii does not have the desqueeze at all and it’s IBIS is what it is compared to Panasonic. And with NRaw you need NR more often than you’d like. I think I will wait at least 3 months to see if they announce another camera, and to see what actual buyers think about the S1RII and it’s IQ.

Panasonic’s anamorphic support is really great with good IBIS. Still, at least with S5ii RS was pretty noticeable with 75mm Sirui Saturn 1.6x 400 gram lens. Also S5ii had only 1.5x desqueeze so focusing was a bit pain with 1.6x lens, and some times nothing was really sharply in focus. If I was to use S1Rii with anamorphic lens I would get a heavier lens with the desqueeze ratio what the camera supports, or try those AF anamorphics.

I forgot to mention that I of course traded in her GH6 to compensate the cost of my Z6iii😆 Damn, this S1RII feels kind of tempting, but after checking a few reviews it is not that clear what is actually improved and what is worse than in S5II. It seems like 6k version of S1RII would be better for video, and I already have the Z6iii, and Nikkor 35 F1.4, 40 F2, 50 F1.2 and 85 F1.8. And it depens if even Z8 is worth the upgrade to me. Most likely will update next the Macbook, as even with 6k footage it seems you need more unified RAM than 18GB in Resolve, if you want to avoid swapping.