MrSMW

Internal raw on the S9 would be at least something I’d have a play with and I guess the S5ii would be as ‘easy’ to crack?

S9 specifically, to what purpose? Other than Flappy Birds, obvs, but what does it otherwise mean? Serious Q!

Sadly, it’s just part of the world that we now live in. It peaked for me around 1986/87, though at the time as a teen, I did not realise or appreciate it. I rank my decades as: 1980’s, 1970’s, 1990’s, 2000’s, 2010’s with the 2020’s firmly in last place… I don’t think the world/society is fucked as such, just that it is in decline and the more it is (IMO), the less I take part in it and do my own thing(s) instead. Unfortunately, the human race & society cannot be hacked…

Maybe someone can reduce the file sizes of Red Raw on the ZR to around 20-25% of the size and then after that, work on adding IBIS to the FP2 so that it can be purchased by the other 95% of potential purchasers.

I previously said that the new Sigma FP 2 fell short for me in a single area, the lack of IBIS. But I was wrong. It also lacks Commando that I used to have on the Commodore 64. #thetightarsetwats

Which I guess means cannot bake a LUT into it then which is another strike for me. I’d rather they went the Panasonic path so it was more compatible with my LUMIX cameras and workflow, but hey ho.

Yes, the ZR is the new benchmark in a number of ways and for me is probably the pick of the bunch of these new ‘cine’ style bodies including: S9, ZV-E1, R6V and now FP2. I love the size and build of the FP and the new rear LCD, but that lack of IBIS, aaaaaaargh! S9 has the best video spec for me (the ZR beats it sure with it’s Red Raw but for the massive amount of storage it gobbles) but the ZR counters with a very nice body and rear LCD….except I would rather it was fully articulated (first choice) or at least tilted like the FP (second choice) but really don’t like the flip out to the side. I don’t care for that side mounted EVF though. Ugly as fuck and all the FP would need for me is a base plate and grip and I’d be off with it. But that’s if it had IBIS, which it doesn’t so back on the fence waiting to see what LUMIX do. FP2 was/is one single element away from being perfect for me. ZR is two elements. ZV-E1 two elements (rear LCD and something else I forget). S9 two elements (rear LCD and overall build). Someone will hopefully get it right soon…

Because I am a contrary bastard? 🤷‍♂️ But feet back on the ground, you are correct and that lack of IBIS and L Mount having precisely zero wide-medium zooms with OIS, is a deal-breaker. I looked up the e-stab and the gyro data option and neither interest me. I was considering sticking one on a monopod which I use increasingly and will be picking one up with a clutch for next year and will still be getting one of the latter, but having calmed down now and recognised that Sigma have indeed failed me in the camera department for the third time with their FP line, yeah but no. Love the concept, size, build, brand and now rear tilt LCD, but the reality is that despite hating the spasticky rear dial, buttons and general build of the S9, the LUMIX is a better camera for my needs. Really what I am looking for would be the spec of the S1ii or preferably the S1Rii in a cine style body. Love their glass and I am all in on that, but another body fail for me. At least this time it was by only one single element instead of several, but the lack of IBIS kills it for me.

The ONLY thing 'missing' for me is IBIS but curious about how this gyro data will work. Not pulling the trigger just yet but waiting to see what LUMIX do themselves, rumoured to be 'something similar' next month. But so far, so good for the FP2, - it could become my workhorse in 2027...

I prefer dogs and land mines.

Well nothing was announced this week but it’s looking most likely like a Sigma FP2. Meanwhile LUMIX is supposed to be revealing at least 2 new bodies in November to mark their 25th birthday or something… Please let this not be some letdown like a security camera or some other crap but something ‘we’ might be interested in… Too soon for a GH8 so maybe some small compact L10-like MILC? Maybe the long overdue S1H2, or some ‘cine’ version of the S1ii?

I also get where you are coming from and that is why I bake the LUT into my footage. I set up all my cameras with 3 basic profiles based on ISO and WB for outdoor, indoor and low-lowlight scenarios. I say LUT, but there are actually 2x LUTS stacked; the conversion LUT and then my own custom ‘Look LUT’ which can be dialled in anywhere between 10-100%. It gets the look I want SOOC and it’s as unique to me as these things can be, is easy in the workflow and allows me to concentrate more on the interesting side of editing a film rather than the boring to me, more logistical grading. Only really works if no one else has a say in the end result and I’m fortunate that I’m my work, the grade is 100% my call.

That is exactly it; so many of us wanted the FP and would have bought or kept the FP if only it had been a little more useable and that is going to be one of the, if not the biggest key(s) to it’s success. Yes some folks want to rig stuff out but the kind of people that are looking at FP’s tend to be single camera purists not film crews making big productions. Some folks made and continue to make the OG FP work, but the majority of us voted with our wallets. I really hope Sigma get this right this time, not for the masses, but for their market. It won’t and can’t have all things, but I hope it has the key ones and that for me is IBIS & tilt. For me, they could keep everything else the same, but those 2 things are the deal sealers for me.

Could do as Panasonic are not Sigma’s master…but I don’t think it will have all the features of an S1ii, but no IBIS would probably be a deal-breaker for me as it would need to have a superb level of digital stabilisation for my needs. I don’t know about others, but I’m not one for rigging stuff out and so few OIS L Mount lenses.

An FP with the S1ii sensor, tilt screen and IBIS for me would be done deal. Before the S1ii/S1Rii came out in basically a modified S5ii chassis…which I don’t mind, I had hoped and would have preferred the cine style body of the FX3. I tested and loved the concept of the FP-L but just too many compromises. I got why Sigma didn’t make a mainstream camera but at the same time, you have to have certain stuff or it will hurt sales. As far as I am aware, the FP has never been anything but a low selling cult camera. I don’t think a new model would change that scenario that much but surely at least addressing a couple of key areas is going to help in that regard. If this new camera is an FP2 and if it has certain features, I don’t think it would be enough for anyone to be chucking away whole systems to go over to, but for those maybe already in L Mount or for folks that only need one camera, it could be viable. It has to be a bit more than an S9 though…