Video Hummus

@Matt Perks idea in the video of Canon being slightly more brave and business savvy of designing the heat sink to dump heat to the tripod mount and then selling a battery grip or standalone component that increases cool down times was a massive missed opportunity and quite a fail imho. They could have almost eliminated all the bad press and made bigger margins on their camera by selling an accessory or a upgrade service. 🤷‍♂️ Hell for all we know they might release a R5c that is $1500 more that is simply this heat sink mod!

Yes I agree. Every bodies uses are different and honestly just getting the camera in your hands and using it is the best thing to do. I went to my local camera shop and held both the R5 and the A7SIII and I settled on the R5 for my uses. Primary IBIS, 45MP photos, competent AF, 4K120p. The A7SIIi has better DR and 4K120p and HD240p but it’s all nitpicking honestly. I also factored in the M1 Macs as well and they did impact my buying decision as well since I’m a MacOS FCP/resolve user.

I thought you couldn’t have zebras and peaking at the same time? I haven’t heard about no zebras in clog mode. Bummer. Hopefully the rumored 14-28 f/2 RF lens is real. Would pair nicely wit 28-70 f/2 or 24-70 f2.8.

Wow, well I just sold all my MFT gear and said goodbye to my GH5S and just bought an R5. I think my only remaining gripe with this camera is the DR but my GH5S maxed out at around 10.5 and I never really complained that much with it. If we get better canon logs we could potentially see 11.7 (based on Gerald Undones tests) of usable stops with clog3. Still 1 atop below S1H and A7SIII but hey one of those cameras lacks AF and the other is only 12MP photos. ive been doing lots of landscape photography lately and possibly some product photography coming up so having 45MP is very nice. 8K RAW internal is a bonus (even with its limitations). The 4KLQ mode is fine for Internet video with a bit of sharpening in post. Canon did some clever things with their AA filter on this camera. I think R5 best balanced camera for my needs at the moment. The price not so much. Ouch.

They already penetrated the camera market with disruptive technology. That has tiny potential profits compared to what they have with iPhone and Mac. If anything they would want to take on ARRI and capture the super high-end where all the money is and they don’t need to acquire Nikon to do that. I would give that to Panasonic based on the broader company and how they are structuring themselves. Hell, they’ve pretty much said as much “looking for partners” is basically a signal to sell. Nikon could use Panasonic’s Video know-how and chops. Too bad they don’t have any money.

Agreed. It will be interesting to see what they do with their chip technology for their desktop Mac Pro and iMac Pro were thermals and power are in abundance with ARM CPUs architectures. Yes, and I think this is part of the reason for the hype. The performance is amazing for the price from Apple. But it also is doing things that even the highest end desktops have trouble with—mainly H.265 editing. Which I believe pretty much saves Canon’s ass over their codec choices for the R5. This is the most important spec missing. The CPU is plenty fast for a lot of people. Especially single core performance. I think for my uses, mainly editing R5 footage, and H265 in general, I’m going to pick up a 13” M1 MBP. Cant beat the performance/price/size for video editing on a desk or out in the field.

This would be an act of business mercy by Apple which is known to be a more ruthless company. If Nikon exits camera business it will be a clear signal, more than Olypuses departure, that the camera industry is in serious flux.

Then in most cases, beside maybe multiple streams of 8K editing in a mult-cam, a M1 powered Mac will get the job done it seems. I’m not telling people to drop their desktop rigs. use whatever you want. I’m just informing people, that are perhaps looking for a mac or laptop to edit their S5/A7SIII/R5/R6/<insert camera here> that the new M1 chips do particularly amazingly well for editing H.264 and H.265 (HEVC) and RAW footage very, very well. That Pugent benchmark is for Premier Pro, which is not know for its performance on any architecture to be honest. Maybe it will change when adobe creates a native app for M1.

Not sure about Canon yet. I think they have to release an update to their Canon RAW software. So its on Canon. 8K RAW from RED does not playback completely smoothly at native 8K. There are dropped frames. Drop the playback resolution to 1/2 in resolve or better performance in FCP and its smooth as butter even with multiple nodes applied. So yes, it seems like M1 can handle working with 8K. I would spring for the 16GB of RAM for sure though.

Those are top tier desktop chips from AMD with the 5800x costing around $550. The answer, if price is included, is No. As far as video editing, these new macs offer amazing performance for the dollar. If you use resolve or FCP the future is bright for apple silicon powered macs. So I don’t find those benchamarks from pugent very relevant unless you routinely do heavy CPU tasks other than video editing, encoding, decoding. If you game well you know what you need.

What’s your experience with the performance with the Angelbird CFExpress cards. So many reviews of the latest batch of CFExpress cards are so mixed. Part of the problem is these manufactures mix and match performance tiers with storage tiers in the same branded line of cards! Drives me nuts! The 128GB Sandisk has a min. Write speed of 1200MB/s but the same card in 256GB is only 700MB/s Min. Write but then the 512GB is the same as the 128GB... They all seem to do it from Sandisk to ProGrade. Currently Angelbird has really good price/GB right now in the CFExpress space with solid specs for up to 8K RAW but you can find reviews that are less than glowing.

I sure wish camera manufactures would embrace brighter and larger LCD or OLED displays. This camera keeps growing on me. It’s a bit ugly in the back but I find the mirrorless / cinema form factor much more practical than a smaller version of a C300 Mark III (ie see FX9-FX6). @Oliver Daniel any plans to try out the speedbooster with EF glass?

I think their next pocket camera will be FF with internal ND for the typical bargain price. I hope they do a more sensible design with better QC.

It’s the dreaded “worse is better” that pops up in every industry. Ill throw my hat into the “prefer C70 design camp”. For as much as Canon fucks up, they’ve been a real innovator this round. I love Panasonic but they seem to be unfortunately running out of steam.

Crazy the high ISO performance the latest cameras have. I actually like the R5 noise. It’s very subtle and seems to lack that digital color noise. Much more film like but only in 4K HQ. The RAW is noisy of course but cleans up really well with noise reduction from Neat Video (can’t wait to see what they can do with neural engine in M1). Of course it’s no A7SIII but I don’t need that kind of performance.

Yep. Money well spent on lighting, lens, and the training or time to master those. Camera bodies really are the least important thing for most people.

Definitely not for the price. The latest from AMD, Intel, and NVidia don’t do this well. Hopefully this changes. Apple is also part of the AV1 consortium and a big proponent and sponsor of they need codec. So, it seems Apple will have access to accelerating any modern mainstream codec from now and with new products. I think if you edit in resolve then a $1099 Mac mini along side your PC is a decent investment. I guess they are going to save the larger RAM options for 16 MBP and iMacs. Which is kinda crap. A lot of people would have paid for say a $1600 Mac mini with 32GB or RAM.

Also Confirmed: 4.2K ProRes RAW A7SIII FCP 8K HEVC R5 FCP Blackmagic RAW in Resolve Canon RAW in Resolve 10-bit files now have thumbnails and quick preview support in Big Sur (probably HEVC only) he also talks about having 16GB of RAM and opens FCP, Resolve, and Lightroom with RAW and 100MP GFX100 files

Compressed RAW will always be the preferred workflow for higher-end because it’s RAW. But until compressed RAW becomes available to the Sony and Canons and Panasonic’s of the world a whole lot of people will be shooting h265 when it becomes the preferred codec in new cinema and mirrorless cameras. R5, C70, FX6 and future models. Just as H264 became a TV production standard so will HEVC and HDR. I think sooner rather than later. And with the push for increasing resolutions lossy compressed codecs will flourish as long as their is hardware to edit it. H265 capture, edit, and delivery is here now for lower end Mac users out there. I would assume this will put pressure on PC hardware manufactures to match it. Which is a good thing. And there is nothing wrong with 10-bit HEVC as far as flexibility. It’s just the hardware hasn’t been available to make it viable. Now it’s coming.

Smaller file sizes with same quality or same file size with better quality. I think where it would come in handy is say filming a interview scene in 8K, perhaps with two people sitting together, and then just punching into the faces when they talk. No need for two cameras, etc... 8K HEVC IPB would be very nice to have if you are recording to a $600 512MB CFExpress card. It’s also great for throwing around rough cuts to be uploaded to Dropbox or whatever for review. A fast edit, export, feedback cycle. There hasn’t been a demand for it because the hardware manufactures have been so lazy to implement proper acceleration. No one is going to demand it if they can’t buy hardware to work with it.

More RAM always better if you can afford it. Looking like 13in MBP with 16GB is my next laptop. I have an R5 coming and all the heavy lifting I would do on my computer is video editing...so I’d rather pay $1,500 for a MBP then $4,000 for a fully spec out intel Mac and not be able to edit my footage smoothly without time-consuming transcoding. No background rendering required with any R5 footage in FCP on M1 Macs, even with correction and a LUT applied. Pretty amazing. Now they just need to update FCP with enhanced features like tracking and facial recognition and tracking to keep it competitive with resolve and premier.

For the FCP video editors out there: 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 HEVC from R5 with insane bitrates...not a problem 4K 60p 10-bit 4:2:2 HEVC with several corrections and a LUT applied....not a problem. Very impressive considering his $15,000 Mac Pro can’t do it.

I would wait for Apple to release their 16” MBP with apple silicon (M1X perhaps?) They will also probably offer more RAM, which I think is the biggest limiting factor with these new machines. HEVC will replace H264, there is no doubt. As resolution from FF and MF cameras increase into 6K, 8K, and above the need for HEVC will increase. But for people now, that need a machine to edit HEVC and 4K RAW then a $1000 Mac Mini is currently more powerful for that particular narrow application than a iMac Pro. Go figure. It can already handle Scarlet 5K 8:1 REDCODE no problem. It will probably handle BRAW no problem.

Except that Ryzen can’t edit HEVC 4:2:2 smoothly at all. And since we are on a camera forum, I would assume that is very important consideration for many people.

I agree with this. It’s all about what you do with it that dictates what you should buy. Both the RF and E mounts have bright futures, so you can’t go wrong much.