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Oh come on Canon seriously? Why not just put this thing in the trash and forget about it forever?

You will miss the C100, trust me.

The BMPCC4K/6K are goods cameras on paper but they are a totally different story in real life situations.

First, to have a "usable" system you need:

Cage + extra grip: Mandatory. Add a handle at least.

External monitor: Mandatory. Add batteries for that.

Cast or external drives: If you're going serious and also you're planning to use a gimbal, you should go for at least a couple of Cfast. 

Battery/Power solution: Of your choice between at least 8 to 10 batteries or 2 to 3 VMount for a full day. If you use a VMount you need extra rig and plates to mount them on camera. But if you use a Ronin-S you can't use VMount batteries (ok, you "can" but why would you do that to yourself...) Maybe a mix of VMount with some LPE6 will work. Energy will be a pain with this camera.

Lens Adapters: Add a Metabones if you go for the 4K and a good set of NDs or a variable ND for your lenses.

Follow Focus: If you will use a gimbal you will need a follow focus like the Tilta.

Now you have a ideal set for shooting, just like me a few months ago until I decided to sell everything because of how ridiculous everything went from an initial $1200 USD "inexpensive" camera. Money is not the bigger problem of this camera, it's the clunky rigging, the stupid battery system (worst problem of the camera imo) and the overall feeling of "this camera will collapse in any minute from now" when you finished the rig and start shooting (because it's true, a fully rigged BMPCC4K breaths unreliability).

I think that you will be better with a Canon C200 (with RAW, "good" codecs and AF) it maybe wait for the new cinema RF line.

R300 looks great! The C300III sensor is really amazing. RF mount also opens the possibility to use a speedbooster to get full frame on a ~$6000 small body with internal ND, pro codecs and probably external RAW, way better than the C300III for some people who doesn't needs all the features from the C line.

4 minutes ago, Super8 said:

Did you really take a screen shot from you tube at HD?

I'm not going to get into debating that mirrorless cameras have better low-light capabilities.  If you can't see the advantages of this camera then mirrorless is the way to go for you.

It might also help to read the comments from the guy that created that video.

I'm on the same boat. I was waiting months for the R5 and Canon fucked up. Then the A7SIII happened and the ONLY thing I was expecting didn't happened (cinetone). I'm done and tired of this game. I just sold my BMPCC4K  kit a few days ago and thinking to do the same with my Sony A7III kit and stuff. Just keeping my Canon L glass and save a little more for the Komodo.

8 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Kind of useless in HD. 
 

 

2K is mostly for high speed recording. Also, why would you use this camera to shoot 24p HD? This is a 6K Raw cinema camera...

6 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Thanks for your post : ) Transcoding not for all or a firmware update will solve that, I hope. But is a7SIII really better in anything other than no light shooting and I had missed so far?

 

I don't know if it's better, haven't tested myself, but to be completely honest, I will never understand the appealing of the "low light monster" or "see in the dark". I mean, it's ok, you have a high sensitive ISO camera that can see in the dark, but images still looks like trash with funny colors.

But they are what they are. Cheaper alternatives with high quality output for the price, good enough for small commercials and low budget narrative and music videos.

I think that Gerald Undone has made a great work with his review, far away from click baits and over dramatic headlines trying to hate Canon.

After the review is clear that the R5 and R6 are not good cameras if you shoot video thanks to overheating, heavy codecs, not so good dynamic range and some other little problems. That's it. If you want a video camera in a small body, go for the A7SIII or whatever brand you prefer.

Nevermind, just noticed that the new 35mm will be m43 with adapter for Sony E and Canon EOS OMG!!

35mm sounds way better than the 50mm!

Also, just noticed that we can't edit post here? 

The 50mm will not work with the A7SIII since it doesn't have a crop mode?

I was waiting for the 35mm but it will be m43 only haha 😞

No one has released some high quality 10 bit slog 3 footage?

2 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:

Nokishita just tweeted out a link to an unlistied Youtube B&H review of the a7s3 that froze about 10-minutes after I started watching. The video is now private. I'm cancelling the R5 order and selling my EOS R to stick with Sony. This will be my video workhorse.

A summary:

A few flavors of XAVC including all-I and Long GOP in 4k and HD.

You pick the level of compression, then the resolution, then framerate - every bitrate option can record all resolutions and framerates.

The tester couldn't get it to overheat at 4k60p after over an hour of recording outside in the sun.

Same color science as the FX9 and Venice.

The goofy colored new menus SAR had are real, full touchscreen navigation.

All framerates are 10-bit 4:2:2 internal including 120fps, though the max 600mbps needs V90 cards.

Full AF with all framerates, a more Canon-like touchscreen for AF.

The AF points in that leaked doc are correct 700+ PDAF and another 400+ CDAF.

External 16-bit raw is real, though they don't know how its actually gonna be recorded.

No pans but he said rolling shutter is pretty much eliminated.

IBIS is the reported 5.5 stops, looks like the same Sony IBIS.

Has the ZV1 digital stabilization and the FX9 metadata stabilization - this is what he was talking about when the video froze.

He didn't get to the EVF

Looking forward to the announcement.

Chris

 

 

Cinetone confirmed?

Updating with lower bitrates should make the overheating less dramatic right?

Maybe that's a good way to make better recording times and bring more manageable footage?

No S-Cinetone mentioned on the leaked press updates.

Well... It's a no for me. IT WAS SOOO CLOOOOSE!!

36 minutes ago, Dave Del Real said:

What are the chances the A7III gets a firmware update to get at least a few of these features? Heck, I'd be glad to get 4K60p even in 8bit 4:2:0 and/or 10bit 4:2:2 in 1080p. The A7III is more than capable of this.

Definitely not happening. Sony will wait for the A7IV for that.

S-Cinetone and real 12-13 stops of DR it's a deal for me. I can keep my A7III for stills and trade in my Canon L glass for Sony Gmasters. Please be true.

2 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

"Dude" you literally called it plastic multiple times and didn't know the camera was metal. You've been talking out of your ass. 

Ok, whatever you want. Keep evaluating camera bodies by how they place the buttons and thinking that all magnesium alloy bodies are the same 🤷.

Anyways. BM needs a proper high quality metal body like RED and ARRI. That's one of several steps to get into the major leagues.

3 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

It is a magnesium alloy body.

 

Dude, I'm sorry, but if you take a RED in one hand and a URSA in the other hand you will notice immediately which camera is a toy and which one is not. That's a fact. If you don't want to see it it's your problem.

2 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

Again, it is a magnesium alloy body! At least do your research, jeez. 

The 7D it's also magnesium alloy. That's not an argument if we are gonna talk about reliability in different environments and extreme usage. That's where Blackmagic fails.

6 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

Holy shit, are we really complaining about how it looks now? It's not going to win any awards, but it looks fine. All the buttons are easily accessible and it's easily rigged up. 

Are we really gonna pretend that RED cameras are good looking? They're boxes with a mid 2000s gun anesthetic. 

It's not about how they "look", come on are you serious? A plastic body against a metal/magnesium body it's night and day in terms of reliability. It's night and day if you work on set with the camera powered on all day and it's a huge difference if you work on harsh conditions like extreme cold and heat. It's not about "button accessibility". Please be serious.

46 minutes ago, Neumann Films said:

RED had a similar reputation not all that long ago. It takes a big innovative splash to make people change ships...once they do you have a chance to shake up the market. I think this camera will make enough RED users jump ship and then it all comes down to this specific camera and how good/reliable it is. There’s no reason to think this camera isn’t how Blackmagic enters that conversation. None at all.

... And that's why I said that Blackmagic needs to work more years to get the approval.

For me Blackmagic already has the technology. They have the sensors, the software, and the ecosystem. Now they need to work on reliability. Add $5000usd and transform the plastic body of the Ursa 12K into a magnesium/metal body and work harder to solve the sensor issues, color cast, etc. They also need better customer service.

Don't get me wrong. I really like Blackmagic and I want them to succeed because they have pushed the market like no one else since RED and the RED One. I own a Pocket 4K and loved the image for $1.200, but I'm selling it just because the battery issues. At least for me, Blackmagic needs a few more years and they will become a huge competitor to RED, Canon and Sony in the +$10000 market.

Ask a  experienced DP if they want to shoot a movie on a RED or a Blackmagic.

RED and Blackmagic are different markets. The market for the RED Helium is high budget TV shows, commercials, movies, music videos and documentaries where producers and DP are going for much more than just resolution or specs. It's about brand recognition (overall RED has good reputation, reliability (REDs fail, but they have an amazing customer service), image quality for capture and post production (approved by high budget movies and production houses), etc etc etc. It's not just a thing about price vs specs (ask yourself why the Alexa Mini is the most popular camera and it's not even 4K...)

I'm not saying that Blackmagic will not be a great brand in the future, they probably ill (?), but at the same time they have a lot to prove on the market, and that's not an easy task, it's a work of years and years, not just high specs and tech disruption.

14 minutes ago, ade towell said:

I guess it's all subjective but I prefer the image quality of the BM Ursa to the Sony and Canon, it's all the other usability stuff where the Japanese companies excel.

That it can do 4k  6k 8k 12k Raw opens up all kinds of possibilities

One thing it's what you prefer and other thing it's what's clients and market prefers. And that's where Canon and Sony are kings. That's why I asked for the market of this camera.

DP/Owner: Sony and Canon are better for rental and are more demanded.

Film/Media: FX9 and C300 are Netflix approved.

Digital/Ads: Alexa/Sony/Canon colors are always preferred.

Slow Motion: Rent a RED/Phantom.

The $10-$15K market it's really hard to just try to entry with a resolution race where most professionals are comfortable shooting 2K/4K, prioritizing image quality against any resolution.

Being really honest... What is the market for this camera? 

I mean, if I have $10K to spend  I would definitely put a little more and go for a Sony FX9 with that beautiful full frame/cinetone/AF or maybe for a C300MKIII for Canon colors plus that dual sensor image capture. Or an used Alexa Classic if you're making movies with a crew.

At that price range I think that image quality is the best feature, and blackmagic is behind Canon and Sony at that price range.

And that's not even mentioning the 12K...

To be honest, I don't care about AF, full frame, 6K or interchangeable lens mount. I just want a efficient in-camers battery system. Is it too much to ask for 2 hours on one battery? Or at least 1:30?

I love my Pocket 4K, I love the images and the portability, but I'm selling it right now just because the battery system is really frustrating. I use it with the Metabones and Cfast cards, but the batteries are always a thing. I have multiple originals LPE6 batteries, they give around 45 minutes each but it's really annoying to have so many and change them always. And it gets worse when the camera it's on the Ronin. And I will always refuse to use a solution outside the camera, that's not the point of a pocket system.

So please, announce whatever you want, but PLEASE put a decent battery system. I'll buy in a heartbeat.

21 minutes ago, mojo43 said:

Is there any RAW footage anywhere with difficult run and gun situations to download?

Nope. But you can check this video. It has a nice color grading process.