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It seems that CLog in 1Dx III is similar to CLog3 on the C200 as this picture seems to imply that the 1Dx III is the B cam in this scenario....

Kinefinity Mavo LF has no AF and no screen and no battery at 12k usd, for a minimum working camera you need 13.5k.... http://www.kinefinity.com/shop/mavo_lf_basic/?lang=en it is more close to the C500 II price than 1Dx III ZCam has no AF too and need battery, screen etc.. so is not really 5k usd….

But on the withe paper that I posted above they have a table with the max recording time per format that does not make sense if is 30min limit. Let say 50% chane there is the 30 min limit

From what I read so far The pros: -FF 5.5k 12bit RAW at 30fps with DPAF (60fps with no DPAF) and with 4k DCI 10bit 4:2:2 LOG proxy -Oversampled FF 4K DCI or UHD at 30fps with DPAF (60fps with no DPAF) 10bit 4:2:2 LOG -1.34 Cropped 4K DCI or UHD at 60fps with DPAF 10bit 4:2:2 LOG -FHD 120fps with DPAF 10bit 4:2:2 LOG up to 470 Mbits/s (to be seen if the image quality is improved compared to 1Dx II) -Various encoding format and bit rates, from lgop h264 8bit, h265 10bit LOG to RAW -Focus peaking and assist -Integrated wifi -Video can be saved to two cards in parallel (exception is RAW that is saved in one card and a 4k up to 10bit proxy in the other one) -Unlimited recording time (some sites reports that there is a limit and some not) -Fully weather sealed with no fan The cons: -RAW format is not Canon Raw Lite so files are bigger ca. 30% more and the workflow maybe cumbersome especially at the beginning. Plugins should be available for Avid and FCPX. Resolve and Premiere? -No DPAF in FF 50-60fps -No EVF so no RF mount (would have been cool to use the RF ND adapter) -No flip screen -No waveform or zebra -No audio at 120fps (not that I really care) -Price should have been around 5.5k usd to match the resolution ? The unknown: Usable DR both in RAW and 10bit Overall video quality Rolling shutter FF and Crop 120fps FHD video quality Sensitivity, they claim 1 stop more sensitivity, let see… Overall much more than what I was expecting and not really typical Canon.

It is not canon raw lite but it uses some kind of size reduction 3 to 5x https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/1d-x-mark-iii/resources/Canon_EOS_1DX_Mark_III_Video_White_Paper.pdf "While the bit rate reduction strategy used in the creation of the 5.5K RAW file format is very effective (reducing the file size by a factor between 3 and 5, depending upon the level of detail in the scene and its temporal resolution), the recorded files are still quite large as shown in Table 2. " C200 4k is 1Gbps, 1Dx III 5.5k is 1.8 Gbps so it is around 30% less efficient

It is very confusing as the spec on canon USA and Europe says it can AF in RAW but not at 60fps. Also in RAW it can create 4k mp4 proxy.

same as 1dx ii so around 1.34x

Confirmed DPAF is available in 4k dci crop at Recording Sizes and Format NTSC 5.5K RAW (5472 x 2886) 59.94 fps* 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps RAW 4K DCI (4096 x 2160) 59.94 fps* 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps ALL-I IPB 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) 59.94 fps* 29.97 fps ALL-I IPB 4K DCI (cropped) (4096 x 2160) 59.94 fps 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps ALL-I IPB Full HD (1920 x 1080) 119.90 fps** 59.94 fps 23.98 fps^ ALL-I IPB 29.97 fps ALL-I IPB IPB (Light) * AF does not function. ** Audio not recorded at High Frame Rate 119.90 fps recording ^ 24p recording will be supported through firmware update after shipping.

I'm a software engineer so I know how things work and you have a history of made up story in this forum. First you should know that camera uses a 14bit RAW file and not 16bit. View that the file is 25 MB you assuming that you can prepare it in real time it is absolutely possible with a 1/3 of the max speed of a cfexpress card write at 500 MB/s card indefinitely. In fact the spec says 1000+ (plus means more than that) I think the mechanical mirror running at full speed for minutes would be the issue and not the end to end pipeline speed. In fact the camera can move 12bit compressed RAW 5.4k infinitely and the compression is much more expensive that simple move the raw data to a file.

Do you have a 1Dx II? I have it and the files are around 25 MB RAW. Also the leaked spec mentions 1000+ ….. so back to the ca. 500 MB/s that is 1/3 of the spec of most cfexpress cards so doable. Even 12 GB of RAM would be insane for a camera.

To put some reality in to the crippling story, I really think that this time Canon did the max that was possible in a FF weather sealed fan less hybrid DSLR. There is no other Full Frame camera < 10k usd that come close to these rumored specs Full frame camera that can record internally > 5k RAW 60fps + good video AF: Canon C700 FF >33k usd (only with optional codex recorder 7k >usd) Canon C500 II 16k usd Full frame camera that can record internally > 5k RAW 60fps: RED MONSTRO 8K VV >54K usd Canon C700 FF >33k usd (only with optional codex recorder 7k >usd) Kinefinity Mavo LF >12k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Full frame camera that can record internally > 5k RAW 30fps: RED MONSTRO 8K VV >54K usd Sony VENICE > 42k usd (only with optional recorder > 6k usd) Canon C700 FF >33k usd (only with optional codex recorder 7k >usd) Kinefinity Mavo LF >12k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Full frame camera that can record internally >= 4k RAW: RED MONSTRO 8K VV >54K usd Sony VENICE > 42k usd (only with optional recorder > 6k usd) Canon C700 FF >33k usd (only with optional codex recorder >7k usd) Kinefinity Mavo LF 12k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Alexa Mini LF > 58k usd Alexa LF > 98k usd Full frame camera that can record internally >= 4k 30fps 10bit 4:2:2 LOG + good video AF Sony FX9 11k usd Canon C700 FF >33k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Full frame camera that can record internally >= 4k 30fps 10bit 4:2:2 LOG RED MONSTRO 8K VV >54K usd Sony VENICE > 42k usd Canon C700 FF >33k usd Sony FX9 11k usd Kinefinity Mavo LF >12k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Alexa Mini LF > 58k usd Alexa LF > 98k usd Panasonic SH1 4k usd Naturally this is based on rumored spec and it just a spec comparison only, image quality, ease of use and job suitability is another story. Again if you are video only a C200 or FX9 or C500 II is probably a better investment, for hybrid shooter like me it seem a huge upgrade from 1Dx II for video. Then maybe in a week Sony announce the famous ready to launch since 2018 A7s III with 6k RAW at 60 fps with AF for 3.5k usd, but right now there is really nothing close.

Not sure if is a trusted source but here they say that DPAF 4k dci crop 60fps is active http://thenewcamera.com/canon-1dx-mark-iii-video-details/

At 25 MB x 1000 frames = 25 GB Ram I really doubt that the camera has that amount of Ram. You need around 500 MB/s for unlimited buffer and cfexpress can do 1400.....

Also - 20 fps fully silent with servo AF. In some occasions the 1Dx II is too loud for the environment. - Integrated WiFi, the dongle is a real pita - many choices of video bitrates Curios to see: 120fps quality, hope is a bit improved although I doubt 4k FF quality If it DPAF in 4k 60fps crop If it can record video on two cards simultaneously Rolling shutter in 5.4 and 4k and in electronic shutter Unlimited recording time

It has unlimited buffer in RAW for stills. CRAW is also unlimited and is compressed.

Very curios too about the new Insta... I have a one x and I really like but I hope for a bump in video quality... Modular system is interesting but how solid will it be?

Yep for video only a C200 is a better buy but best combination would be a C500 II + 1Dx III. The 1Dx III can shoot stills at 20fps with DPAF 12 bit RAW.... I’m wondering if it would have been so impossible to do 24fps RAW with DPAF? At 60fps is probably too much but 24 is not so far off from 20.....

Let’s get real which hybrid camera can do?: FF internal RAW >= 4k at 60fps FF 4k 60fps FF 4k 30fps with DPAF Actually which cinema camera can do FF internal RAW > 4k and at what price? Without cooling fan and fully weather sealed? The key question for me is how good is 4k FF (oversampled?) and if the crop 4k 60fps has DPAF

Hopefully they will have DPAF at least on 4k60p cropped so the same as 1Dx II.... I understand the challenge to have DPAF on RAW although the C500 II can do it but it also has cooling fan and almost 3 times the cost.

If the above list is true the question is what are all the limitations for every mode.... like DPAF, Log, etc... Hopefully it can do 5.4k RAW 24, 25 with DPAF and 4k DCI crop 60p also with DPAF and CLog.

If this is true: https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/here-are-the-full-specifications-for-the-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-iii.38019/page-2#post-806877 RAW movie 5.472k DCI Canon Log (OFF / ON) Recording format RAW (12bit) Audio Linear PCM Movie recording Image quality RAW (5472 x 2886) DCI (15,792,192 pixels Cinema 2600Mbps 1:1 straight-read) 4K DCI (4096 x 2160) 4K DCI crop (4096 x 2160) 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) Full HD (1920 x 1080) Frame rate 119.9p / 59.94p / 29.97p / 24.00p / 23.98p (NTSC) 100.0p / 50.00p / 25.00p / 24.00p (PAL) *High-speed frame Rate video: 119.9p / 100.0p I think the frame rate are for Full HD as I really doubt it can record 5.4k RAW at 120 fps...…..

Entire spec list? Not even the sensor resolution is in there.... Nothing new on the list that was not in the pre announcement.

8K or above is very beneficial for reframing 360 videos. The challenge is to fit two big enough sensors + lenses so close to each other. So a dual m43 camera would be super but the stitching at close distance will be a big challenge. Having multiple m43 sensors will make the size too big to profit from the amazing freedom that you have put in on long stick. The Qoocam with 2 1/1.7'' sensors and 8K is a first step in to getting high quality reframing... curious to see how this segment evolve in the next few years probably next step is 1'' sensor.

One think that I do not understand is why canon is not offering compatibility with hot shoe EVFs like the one from the M6 II: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1318788-REG/canon_1727c001_evf_dc2_electronic_viewfinder_black.html So you can have both OVF and EVF.... They could even sell a premium one....

If you check the BTS you will spot at least 3 others 1Dx II placed as remote for video. Not sure why is so hard to understand that the main target is not video only people, but it is sport action photographer that also shoot video and there are many like me. On the price, I have my 1Dx II since release so by the time the 1Dx III is on the market it will be 4 years old. I have more than 300'000 shutter click on it so let say I can resell it for less that 1000 USD. So 5k in 4 years it makes around 100$ a month.... the ones that screams around about the price they change systems and cameras in this 4 years a few time and I'm sure that they end up with more than 100$ a month... And btw the 4k 60p with AF was the main drive for me to upgrade from the 1Dx and 4 years later not many cameras can do that. Canon is really frustrating because they have the tech to produce better camera and not cripple it like omitting Log etc... Let see what kind of limitations and or crippling will the 1Dx III have..... on the C500 II they went all in let's hope they will do the same with the 1Dx III