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Yes, the 2017 GH5 also has 60fps open gate, with even better detail rendering than the S1II at low ISO.

NX1 and GH6. They are full of compromises like the GH6 having unusable AFC below 48fps or the NX1 having even more smoothed out details in low light than the S5II but I'm still surprised how much I often prefer the footage I get from them at low ISO over my expensive Sony FE and Lumix S cameras.

It looks pretty good because unfortunately CineD has not tested the 5,8K raw downsampled to 4K yet, I wonder if there is a possibility of backed-in NR inside of the Prores Raw files.

I don't know about the S1II, but owning the S1RII, the mushy fine details and chroma NR are still there. Only the sharpening has been decreased a bit when using the 709 profiles. Prores Raw is better and has nicer fine details, almost as good as on the S1 and S5 H264/H265, but it's not a replacement for me as it is cropped (on the S1RII), the files are huge, there is no lens correction (as opposed to N-raw) and there are sometimes some black/colored pixels I can see when cropping inside the footage. This is something the Panasonic ambassadors will never speak about. About dynamic range I really wonder if there is a real difference between the S1II (without DR Boost) and the Z6III, because Gerald Undone only tested the DR of the Z6III raw video but not the S1II (he only tested Prores HQ and not Prores Raw). It seems nobody want to test the internal raw video mode on the S1II, I understand Prores Raw is not supported by Resolve, but still ... It could be a good indicator of the real performance of both cameras as there is almost always backed in NR without raw.

I was a long time Panasonic user who have bought most of their high end cameras and lenses, but not anymore. I had some issues with their full frame lenses developing white dots inside the internal elements, including a 2500$ 50mm S Pro lens. This is something well documented everywhere from Facebook groups to Dpreview forums with many users having the same issue on the same lenses. All what they was able to tell me is it was probably mold, implicitly saying it was caused by my fault because of bad storage or use. Of course this is my fault, I have used a lot (really a lot) of lenses from Canon, Sony, Sigma, Tamron, Samsung, Olympus etc, I always stocked them in dry place and never used them in the rain. I just never seen anything like this. I have even seen this issue out of the box on a new Lumix S 35mm f1.8 lens, someone on Dpreview also had its Lumix S 35mm lens exchanged because of the same issue, he should have returned the lens immediatly for a refund like I did. But yes it's probably my fault to have bought too much of their craps. It's also probably a coincidence if only their Lumix S lenses are affected ... The only similar case I've seen was from a 50mm Sony FE Zeiss Planar which had a recall by Sony. And like on the Panasonic S lenses, it didn't looked like mold or fungus at all, just bad internal elements degrading over time and affecting contrast. I don't particularly like Sony either but at least they were more honest. I have zero confidence in buying their products again.

I bought the S1RII for 3250€, I think it's a good price for this camera, not sure I would have bought it at 3600€. By the way, I spoke with someone who said he was able to remove most of the noise reduction inside of the V-log footage of the S1RII, if it's true the camera will be much more interesting. The A7RV is a great camera for still, but for video I would prefer to use Panasonic, just for IBIS and Open Gate. Yes both the 28-45mm and 45-90mm would make a killer combo. And why not the rumored 200mm f1.8 to get the perfect trio ...

Got my S1RII and like I thought, I'm a bit disappointed. Stills are great with very good resolution, the Dpreview studio test is odd because the camera is very sharp even when using not so sharp lenses like the 28-200mm. But there are better cameras for photography, AF implementation is weird, AF-S is only DFD and the buffer is a joke when shooting high fps pictures. Video quality is the same than S5II, a bit less sharpening but still the same video engine, it still looks worse than the old gen, the resolution just feels not as good, no matter the mode or resolution used the image doesn't look really sharp in a good way, lines are not straight, some details are missing like if a filter or blur in some part of the image was added. The image looks like there is a slight oil painting touch softening the image at the core. Like on the S5II the rec 709 profiles are worse than V-log. So it is a bit ironic from Lumix to say "discover unseen details" for their S1RII tagline. Because of this the moire is not too much prononced. Some will like this tradeoff. I tested Prores Raw 6K Pixel to Pixel and the image is much better, the weird processing is gone. But I can't get the image right when using Premiere Pro, colors are off, I don't think Prores Raw is really fully supported by Premiere. The crop and the data size also makes this mode hard to use and it is not supported at all by Resolve. Using the Canon R5 or Z6III for raw is much easier as the files are better supported and there is no crop. The rolling shutter is just bad when using the DR boost, I didn't think I could see it but I can see jello even with relatively slow movements. In addition 24fps is the max fps we can use with DR boost and Open Gate. I can't select 30fps, maybe a bug. I think the best modes are 6k or 4k 60fps, there is only a slight crop, worse DR because no DR boost and the image quality becomes even slighltly worse but there is not a big difference with the 30fps and the rolling shutter is better. I quickly tested the 4k 120fps and as if it isn't enough that the 4k30fps was not great, the 120fps is even worse : blurry, bad details, just unusable. When selecting Pixel to Pixel, the quality is better but again these crop make these Pixel to Pixel modes hard to use and feel like we are using a S35 camera. Stabilization is the best in the market and for me it's the main reason I still use Panasonic (with Open Gate too). But the S5II is as good ... The S1RII feels like it was created for people taking mostly photography of still subjects. And for this the camera is good, not the best DR performance but nice colors and impressive 177MP handheld mode (the image makes a very long time to create though, much longer than on the S5II). For video it comes with marketing bait as 8k and 4k 120fps. The 8k like every other modes except raw is too much processed, it has high rolling shutter when the DR boost is enabled and the 4k120fps is not good at all. Yes we can do a lot of things with this camera but with big penalties most of the time. The added Prores Raw is questionable too, the files are not supported in Resolve and the crop is really disappointing. The fact remains, however, than the S1RII is the only affordable high resolution camera with acceptable autofocus for L mount. However, I don't see anything which could attract new users to Lumix or L mount, the S5II is a much better value for Youtube and other social media creators. And the A7RIV is much cheaper and has better AF for stills. 3600€ is a lot of money but I would have happily spend a bit more to get better video engine, better rolling shutter and 8k raw. As things stand at the moment with the current firmware, I think the right price should be more about 3200€. About the reviews available online like the one from Northrup, I think the best is to always wait for some Chinese or Korean reviews, they provides much more informations and are much more unbiased than any Northrup or Undone reviews. Here is an exemple of a good and accurate review :

Even High-Res mode looks weird : https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_1=panasonic_dcs1rii&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs5&attr13_3=panasonic_dcs1&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=100&attr16_1=80&attr16_2=100&attr16_3=100&attr126_0=2&attr126_1=2&attr126_2=2&attr126_3=2&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.3414324606472479&y=0.0861985472154965

3600€ with average DR for a non stacked sensor, cropped Prores-raw and 2s only H-Speed burst, it's disappointing to say the least. Mine has been shipped today and yet I have not pre-ordered the camera in the first days. I hope at least the video engine has improved since the S5II.

I just tried Capture One with the files from DPreview above ISO 3200 and it shows the same smoothed out details than with LR, maybe even worse. "It trounces the A7RV at high ISO which can't even match the A7RIII. It's cleaner than the Z8 at high ISO and the A1 too". It seems the cheating of Panasonic works great and there is little doubt the camera is doing the same in video.

Yes I hope it is just a bug with ACR. Here is the link :

Yet, it's clearly an issue for me and for a lot of people. The difference in resolution is maybe due to the lens. But I think they used the 85mm Sigma f1.4 DG DN, which is not a bad lens at all. There is still a possibility than the S1RII uses some processing at low ISO to reduce noise even more, it could explain why the resolution is worse. On the Slashcam video, the Z8 seems much sharper in 8k than the S1RII.

I'm ok with 24MP as long as the video is not over processed like on the S5II. The thing is I have not the money to buy both cameras. Beside, I have zero brand loyalty and cameras like the R5, R5II or Z8 have high resolution and still good rolling shutter and very good detail in video since they have internal raw with no crop. I just want to make the good choice, I wanted to cancel my pre-order but Panasonic seems to have delayed the S1RII shipments, so for now I kept the preorder in hope to get the spec of the new camera before the S1RII shipments.

According to Manny Ortiz, LR doesn't support entirerly the S1RII,the files have much more noise at low ISO than with C1. Maybe the NR issue at high ISO on Dpreview is also related to LR ? About video, I saw a post on Reddit where 55M said the S1RII has better detail rendering than the S5II (closer to the first gen) but with some chroma NR left. Maybe I should just cancel my pre-order and wait for the new camera in April.

Interesting.