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Very interesting!  Great find!

Well, back in July of 2013, NHK was compressing streams from their 8K Hi-Vision Camera in real time down to 85 Mbps, 8K , HEVC/H.265, so they probably used a single recorder for their 8K demos.

I would imagine that there are other "one-off" methods of recording 8K in existence, but we don't know about them yet.

While I am solidly in the greater DR and bit depth camp (I'd rather shoot with an Alexa or a Sony F35 than a Red Epic or Canon's 8K), it is important to play the "devil's advocate" at this juncture in the thread and remind all that color depth actually consists of part bit depth and part resolution.  So, the higher the resolution, the greater the color depth.

In fact, you could have a system with a bit depth of "1" and, with enough resolution (and ignoring banding in capture), have the same degree of color depth as a 12-bit, 444 system.

The formula for color depth in digital, RGB imaging systems is:

Color Depth = (Bit Depth x Resolution)3

Certainly, the scope of the convergence of form factor and hybrid concepts will synergistically target future-proof users and compellingly empower technically sound bandwidth to optimize superior functionalized systems and streamline value-added catalysts for heightened verticals.

Just use the Forza 18K camera and you will get plenty of "convergence" -- your heatsinks will "converge" with your CPUs/GPUs when they all liquify as you try to edit and color grade.

How do you come to that conclusion?  Did Lenovo say that?  Keep in mind, there has been more than one instance.

I never stated that it was a problem specifically with "Thinkpads."  Again, there has been more than one instance, so I wouldn't put it past them to try to sneak it into some Thinkpads.  Most of the reports are calling it malware -- it's in the BIOS, it reincarnates itself after you think it's deleted and it phones home.  You can call it whatever you like.

Is that why Lenovo issued this statement back in February when they got caught, and why they were yet again caught hiding spyware in the BIOS again just last month?  Furthermore, is that why they seem to be doing it once again in their smartphones?

Even the Department Of Homeland Security is posting warnings on Lenovo machines.

Well, I've done my part in making people aware of the risk.  Not sure where you think that I misinformed nor why you would try to dismiss the threat.

Perhaps we don't understand the ramifications of having manufacturer-installed malware in our BIOS.  Here's a hint -- it's not good.

Be careful using Lenovo machines -- they put s#!t in their firmware.  No "and" needed.

I have never been impressed with Apple hardware (nor software), and I am all for hackintosh projects.

However, exercise caution when using Lenovo products -- the company has a history of installing spyware in the firmware and OS of their machines.

Nope... unfortunately, the world doesn't work that "simply."

Sometimes the best things succeed, but a lot of the time they don't (especially in this current age of mediocrity).  That's why Oracle is so prevalent in spite of mass dissatisfaction with its products... that's why lobbyists influence laws and government projects (in the USA)... that's why we have to listen to Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and Kanye West, instead of artists as talented as the Beatles or Burt Bacharach.

Nevertheless, Chrome is free and it has more users than its proprietary counterparts.  Since you mentioned a web browser, how about Firefox?  Off the top of my head, there's also Android, Thunderbird, Wordpress, Audacity, VLC, Handbrake and Blender, etc.  Of course, there is a bunch of open source software that dominates network and web installations, such as Apache, MySQL, SSL, Drupal  and PHP, etc., not to mention most of the prominent programming languages.

No need to apologize.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

One would think so, but they probably have never heard of it, and, again, FUD (such as this very point that I'm countering).

Actually, it has happened.  There are countless examples of businesses who have dropped MS Office for Open/Libre Office and have saved a bundle, without suffering any productivity.  Heck, there are entire governments who have switched to open source soaftware.

Once more, we are dealing with FUD and user conditioning.  People resist change, even if the alternative is better.  The FUD makes it much worse.

Again, I ask you, please give specific examples of how Microsoft office is better than Libre Office.

In the first place, GIMP isn't the only open source image editor.   Secondly, yes, that too has happened.

Again, I ask you, what features, specifically, in Photoshop are superior to its open source counterparts?

Also, FUD and user conditioning.

 No, but it has a lot to do with folks' resistance.

Can you share a double-blind study to the contrary (that is not sponsored by Microsoft).

Not sure what a science background has to do with GUI design, except maybe it helps when field testing.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, which is all you are putting forward.  In my opinion, Windows is clunky, unprofessional, quirky and full of crapware/bloatware.

I would also like to point out that whatever the desktop environment you were using on Ubuntu, it is only one of zillions that are available on Linux/Unix systems.  Any design elements specific to Ubuntu probably went through Canonical -- the corporation that started and maintains the Ubuntu distro.  Canonical is owned by billionaire Mark Shuttleworth.

If you want a UI that is not clunky, I suggest you go with one of the many tiling open source window managers.  Power users with  tiling window managers invariably run circles around Windows, Mac and Linux desktop users.

What?!!

Wow!  Perhaps one of us has an agenda, after all.

That's fine.  That explains a lot about the notions you put forth.

Nevertheless, there are plenty software developers and content creators who use open source software and free content.

I don't think that it is "important" to pay for content.  There are a lot of ways that content sustain itself and make a profit.  Again, we are getting philosophical and departing from the topic of this thread, which is open source software for production.

 I propose that they make money exactly as they currently doing it.  What's the problem?

That is certainly the simple answer.

Saying it doesn't make it so.  Sorry, but I gotta call BS.  There is plenty of open source software which exceeds proprietary software in commerce -- open source is usually more concise, efficient and more innovative.

Furthermore, there are countless of professionals working full time on tons of open source software.

Let's consider one of the most proprietary software providers in "commerce" -- Oracle.   Ask users of Oracle software if they would rather use open source alternatives, and see what kind of response you get.

Productivity?  Please name features (exactly) of proprietary business software that are superior to those in open source.

You mean powerful features in Photoshop, such as Content Aware Fill, 32-bit editing and raw capability?  All of those fundamental features were available in GIMP years before they appeared in Photoshop... YEARS BEFORE.

I concede that the proprietary outfits got a head start in NLEs, but open source will catch up fairly soon.

Furthermore, Linux proprietary NLEs, compositors (and other production software) have dominated in the past -- Piranha, Maya and Ant (the first RED/4K optimized NLE) come to mind.

Also, I wouldn't classify Resolve as an NLE.

Please.  Audacity is not as robust as Protools, but free and open sourced Ardour certainly is.

I hear this a lot, but I have yet to find anything that can be done in Microsoft Office that is not possible in Libre Office.

I just named a few, and there are plenty more (Firefox, Chrome, Android, Linux Distros, BSD projects, etc).

Again, just saying that doesn't make it so.  I have given examples in which open source code is superior and more advance than proprietary.

There are countless examples in which people are frustrated with proprietary bloatware. and all of the crap that goes with it.  We who use open source software don't suffer any of those problems.

Of course, we are not even touching on security, in which open source software has a huge advantage.

If that were only true.  Unfortunately, that's not the way it works.  For one thing, you are neglecting FUD.

Again, there are thousands of paid developers who work full time on open source software, plus there are the really ones who code out of enthusiasm for the product.

As earth shattering as these revelations are, they have no bearing on the quality of software.

Sometimes one invests time and money (energy) in to a film, without the intention of recovering their costs.

I do it all the time, because I think that a project is worthwhile or I think that I might get some good footage from the deal.

What is your point here and how does it apply to open source software?

Are you seriously implying that users and developers of open source software are stealing?

Well, for one thing, those who currently develop open source software would continue creating interesting things.  There are plenty of interesting movies and musical projects which are done on spec.

In regards to food, water and shelter, that is another matter which is probably better discussed some philosophy site.  We are talking about open source and Linux production software here.

Open source software is free.

Not really.

Yes.  This is the typical FUD scenario -- early adopter of Red Hat, then got disinterested.  I've never used Red Hat.

That's fine.  I would rather have open source and free software.

Disagree wholeheartedly.  With open source and free software, I can do almost anything that can be done with proprietary software.  Furthermore, open source software often can do more than proprietary software, as a lot of the innovation occurs in open-source code.

I would rather use software from a coder who is enthusiastic than from one who is merely drawing a paycheck.

FYI, there is no free version of Resolve for linux, not even the $995 one. The only Resolve that works with linux is the full blown setup which is well beyond free. 

A Linux beta of Resolve 12 is available as a free download.

Wow!  Great to see more from the Forbes 70 after nothing for almost two years!  The 40mm footage says it all.  The shot of the girl and the two dogs under the tree made with the 180mm and the teleconverter is great, too.

@Inazuma & @TheRenaissanceMan:  As I understand it, the Forbes 70 is essentially a fancy, medium-format DOF adapter, employing a BMPCC to capture the images.  Apparently, significant ND was used in these shots, possibly without an IR blocking filter.

@richg101:  No problem with it being HD (decent DR and pro color specs are more important to me).  On the other hand, 4K Super-16 sensors are already here, in a few machine vision cameras and in both the Blackmagic Studio camera and Micro Cinema camera (both UHD and slightly wider than Super-16).

Given the resources/funding to modify the optics behind the focal plane, what would be the disadvantages of using a APS-C/Super-35mm sensor?

Also, have you considered configuring the unit so that the lens mounts nearer to the bottom of the front?

By the way, in your narrated video, you mention the differences between the Alexa and Forbes 70 frame sizes.  Keep in mind that the Alexa 65 has a humongous sensor -- 54.12mm x 25.58.  However, if you could crank these things out, the Forbes 70 would no doubt get more use than the Alexa 65.

 To me, this is the most exciting thread since NAB!  The Dog Schidt lenses are great, but please don't let the Forbes 70 languish.

​A lot of the innovation in software happens in open source projects in which there is a lot of input and freedom to experiment.  On the other hand, some popular proprietary apps have enthusiastic users contributing novel plug-ins.

I don't think that there is much lacking in open-source imaging/production software, and there are also proprietary options for Linux/BSD.

​Where do you get your information on this conclusion?

There are definitely great open source production/imaging apps out there, as well as proprietary Linux/BSD programs.

Maybe we should compile a list/database.

Obviously, there is something crazy going on in the processing of the first posted image of the thread.

However, what I was getting at is that the "highlights" are blue in that first posted image probably because the light coming through the window is blue/colder than the inside light.  Note that even the lower diffuse values (middle tones - not highlights) from the top window sill are also blue.

Is that daylight/skylight coming through the window with tungsten light inside?

​If you reduce resolution without increasing bit depth, you are just throwing away color depth information.

Do you think that Technicolor, FotoKem  and DeLuxe are using NLEs to down-convert studio features, or do you think that they try to retain as much color depth info as possible?

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It's probably not a good idea to allow the lack of climate control in your studio to determine the quality of light in all of your work.

If you anticipate that you will be shooting most of your jobs in your studio, it might be wise to consider getting an air conditioner before you get too far along.

​That was discussed here.  As I recall, the "8.67" figure came from a scenario in which the original Bayer image was chroma subsampled.  Using the same math that yielded the "effective 8.67 bit depth" would give an "effective bit depth" of less than "8" to the original subsampled image.

For simplification, it is best to consider RGB scenarios with no chroma subsampling.  Going from UHD to HD crams 4 pixels into one.  Thus, in an efficient summed conversion, a 4X increase the bit depth is possible, yielding a bit depth of 10.  Such conversions have been done and are being done.

Again, with these conversions, we are merely swapping resolution for bit depth -- we are not increasing color depth.  The color depth of an image cannot be increased without adding something artificial.

Nevertheless, such bit depth increases also work with chroma subsampled images.  It's just that converting a subsampled image with less "effective bit depth" will yield a reduced "effective bit depth" in the final  image.

Your best and most versatile value will be getting a tungsten quartz-halogen kit that mostly includes focusable fixtures (open face or Fresnel).

​No.  The "4k to HD" theory is correct.  One certainly can sacrifice resolution for a gain in bit depth.

However, such a conversion cannot increase the color depth -- one can never increase the color depth of an image without introducing something artificial.

​Manfrotto also has a hybrid head.  Unfortunately, it doesn't use Arca Swiss plates.