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The BMCC is a phenomenal camera, especially considering the price, no matter what anyone says. Also, despite being the first one to come out of the Blackmagic stables, it is still a seriously good camera. IMO, though, I a not sure it is a DSLR killer. Well, for many reasons. 1. It weights a LOT more than the GH2, and even other DSLRs. Whereas the 5D Mark iii vs BMCC's dimensions and weight: Dimensions: 152.0 x 116.4 x 76.4 mm vs 166.2 x 113.51 x 126.49mm Weight: 950g (including battery and SD card) vs 1.7kgs (the battery is internal, non-removable).Thats almost Twice the weight of the Mark iii. And almost 4 times the weight of the GH2 (it weighs 444gms, with the battery and SD card). The SSD Drives, I am guessing, with add a noticeable amount of weight, to the BMCC. 2. Most people who shot with the 5D and the GH2, would obviously be aware, of the inherent imitations in (actual) Dynamic range and score in coloring and grading. They don't care too much about it. 3. The 12 Bit Raw and 4-4-4 is more of an Alexa and RED killer. The DSLRs aren't even close to that pedigree. I believe, that even though RED pretended to be targeting Canon, it was actually more seriously, attempting to wean away customers, from the BMCC. 4. DSLRs video is more out of the box. And, if you use a certain kind of profile, which is reasonably flat, you could tweak the video, in post, a LITTLE. 5. Good quality Sound recording is as much a headache on DSLRs, as it is on DSLRs. You need good quality mics, for both, though, due to terrible on-board sound, and lack of monitoring in most DSLRs (except the the D800, Mark ii, GH3 etc), sound recorders like the Zoom H4n or pre-amps (if you don't wanna sync) JuicedLink, are a necessity. A lot of Guerilla shooter even use recordes like teh H1, and sync later. Probably even dub, later. 6. I feel, a lot of amateur shooters and semi-professional cameras are not interested in using Rails and Mat Boxes, and even Follow Focuses. Especially people (like me) who like the whole charm of gorilla shooting. I am guessing, that most BMCC users will add all these, to make the BMCC, shooting, as professional as possible. 7. There are DSLR shooters, who use crews of 20-50, with matt boxes, follow focuses, serious lighting (HMIs, Tungstens, Fresnels etc). The word, for describing this pedigree of idiots, hasn't been coined, yet. Especially, since the FS100, AF100, FS700, C300 have come into the scene. 8. The BMCC cannot be used as a crash cam/ action cam. The new Hero 3 seems to be pretty decent, though, it cannot really replace the GH2 or even the 5D. For multi-cam action sequences, DSLRs don't seem to have a replacement. Yet. 9. The D800 and 5D Mark ii hover around the BMCC price. If you can afford 3k, for a video camera, add another 3k to that, for the SSD cards, and the upgrade, to your edit set-up, and Voila !!! 10. The GH2 costs $700, and the 7D costs $1500. The T4i costs $800. If DSLR, is something, that one is looking, for, then, there are cheaper options, at a fraction of the cost of the BMCC (and the 5D Mark iii), for video. As videos have shown, saying that the 5D Mark iii or Mark ii some low light kings, is all bullshit, especially, if you cannot use that quality, for professional video. And, if it crushes details, at the cost of low light. 11. Since the Data Rate is reasonable, you don't need many TBs of storage. On the BMCC you need about 7GB of space, per minute of video, shot at 2.5k RAW. For other formats, there is a huge amount of compression, so, that should not be an issue. But, I am guessing, you wont be picking up the BMCC, if you wanna shoot 4-2-2 or 8 bit 12. Most DSLRs aren't too taxing on your system. You don't have to upgrade to 16GB RAMs (or more) and use Graphic Cards that cost as much as you entire computer, for editing DSLR video. The 5D Mark iii and the D800 are as lousy, for video, as their 4 year old cousin, the Mark ii. All the extra features are just publicity gimmicks. It hasn't added much to the video quality. They haven't added more than 50-100 lines of resolution and the 4-2-0 codec is the same. DSLRs and the BMCC were never in the same race, to begin with. The BMCC is a purebred greyhound, and the DSLR is a pekingese. There is no competition, between them. There never was.

Just got back from a very hectic trip, so seriously zonked. Pls excuse the typos n d abbreviations/ truncations Check the lines of resolution on the GH3 (within the 'headin Video Sharpness'). http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Panasonic-Lumix-GH3-Digital-Camera-Review/Video.htm#motion

btw. the test is very good. Its highlighted how FLAT the profile suddenly becomes.

You prefer sharpness at -2 or -3, as compared to -5. I didn't get the color bit. Are you saying, that color seems more flat, at sharpness, dialed down to -2 or -3, as compared to -5?

Julian, the blacks were looking much darker, in the earlier video, and the colors were a lot stronger. Its looking more natural now. It also, suddenly feels, from this corrected video, as thought the dynamic range has gone up What do you think? Did u like the color profiles, after they were dialed down to -5?

The video is softer, but, dialing down everything to -5, has made the color profile Much flatter. In the GH2, it was almost unnoticeable. On the GH3, the color profile at -5, seems midway between B&W and Color

Andrew, I am guessing, that, there appear to be High Key, Retro, etc, in the picture, as well as, the video profiles. (they come within CREATIVE CONTROL heading) This is the url Charlie pasted, above. http://panasonic.net...5100/index.html

[quote name='Matt' timestamp='1352560254' post='21449'] I have a Nexus 7 and hunted all over the web to see if there was a way to use it as an external moniter for the GH2 but there doesn't presently seem anyway to do it. [/quote] I wrote in, to them, requesting them to make an app, for the Panasonic GH2. I guess, if more people write in, they may be tempted, to make it compatible, with the GH2 (and later, perhaps, the GH3), as well. this is the url, to write in, to them: http://dslrcontroller.com/contact.php

[quote name='Germy1979' timestamp='1352490421' post='21424'] What's funny is, somebody whipped out forum senority on him in one comment, lol. "Who the f-ck do you think you are anyway... "Junior Member"...?! You know how many posts i've got!? Your opinion doesn't even MATTER, for another 319, son! Check out my handle.. It says 'veteran". ....HIGHLIGHTED! I'm a damn dyed in the wool forum american icon! I eat trolls & sh-t noobs for breakfast." [/quote] roflm(f)ao ... dude, i laughed so loud, my neighbours must have woken up. just too funny. Check this thread out. Its f%$king crazy: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3294441 Lets do the Mimicry/ Impersonation thing. Every1 can chose 1 favourite character, from some forum, and make a short 10-15 second video, and send it across (post it in good quality sound and Full HD). I will be the "Russian Freak (pronounced "Rhoosseean Reeekh"). And, the Topic for the short could be: "What the F#@c were Panasonic thinking. Why did they Not consult us???" ... :D

[quote name='QuickHitRecord' timestamp='1352489173' post='21420'] Now that's a short video skit just [i]begging[/i] to be made. [/quote] Maybe everyone on EOSHD, can send a video of their's, pretending to be (or impersonating) one of the freaks from one of these discussion groups, and then, we could color correct all the footage, and make it into a short. We could chose screen names, similar to some characters, in one of these forums. :D that would be Hilarious ...

[quote name='Germy1979' timestamp='1352488356' post='21416'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]Lmao.. Dp review... Weird...[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]If filmmaking forum was a city, dp review would be like, a dark alley at 2:00 am in Compton.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [/quote] :P

hahaha ... apparently one hapless sould tried to reason and figure out why, but, it didn't, apparently, help ... :P http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3296058

[quote name='EOSHD' timestamp='1352486771' post='21412'] They just don't know. It would be daft of Grant to come out and say the MFT version will ship at 7pm on 7th January 2013 when they're still working through the technicalities of a supplier issue. You are completely 100% right to be disappointed though. It is the name-calling that lets people down and it is really unfair on a company who is virtually ALONE on the market in trying to cater to us. [/quote] I agree with you. Anger is no reason to lose one's manners. Also, people should realise, that the BMCC offers a Lot More bang, for the buck. But, I guess, there are a lot of frustrated souls, on social networking sites, and discussion forums, and, if they wouldn't be targetting the BMCC, they would be targeting Steven Spielberg, or someone else. I am sure the BMCC just ignores them. :D

I am guessing , it stems from a lack of good manners, and also,from other, more peculiar things. Like: 1. A lot of these people have already committed to projects, to be shot on the BMCC. Which, quite frankly is not a very good move, because, I guess, a lot of people using it, will have to familiarize themselves with the entire Post Production bit, which they aren't still aware of. After all, there is a Huge difference between an 8 bit 4-2-0 and a 12 bit RAW. 2. A lot of people were picking up the BMCC, for bragging rights (like a certain gentleman here, who plans on using the BMCC to shoot the rats in his colony. Or were those his pet cats?) 3. If the BMCC was supposed to be delivered in June-July, and, its November, then, its very sad, that almost 6 months have passed, since its promised delivery date. If i was in line, I would put my money elsewhere. Though, they Have been improving things at BMCC, and you do get THE best package deal, with the BMCC, I guess, at the end of the day, its bad policy, to promise, and not be able to deliver, whatever the reason may be.

Dude, I think, you didn't move the camera (GH3), to check for Moire. I saw, some appearing, but, before the camera could start developing moire (or atleast allow it to be noticed), you ended the video (and so, the test). Also, you have to open the lens more. Maybe at around f8 or more. cause, the depth of field, was quite shallow, at certain spots, to allow for testing moire.

I know that one can use the Nexus 7, as an external monitor, for the Canon DSLRs (with the DSLR Controller App). I wonder, if there is a (similar) software, to use it with the GH2. It would be Amazing, and AMAZINGLY cheap.

you'll have to remove the video (or the password), if you don't want it going public. EOSHD is far too famous, not to get noticed, in a Google search. Trust me

If you are talking about those sleep line kindda pattern on the deer, then, I am guessing, that, those may be caused by its fur being rubbed against shrubs and bushes. I found the detail pretty good, and the attached mic's quality, was very good. About the shortfalls, on the GH3, I think, Panasonic should sit will developers, and let people buy em off them, through the Android App Store or Apple Stores.I think people wouldn't mind buying things like (software upgrades for): 1. Peaking. 2. 10 bit 4-2-2 Maybe even pick up grips, with XLR and GPRS. About the moire and aliasing, I guess, we'll be updated about them, as newer videos keep making the rounds. Also, maybe having Test Charts, with shootouts, between the GH2 and the GH3, would be a great idea. Btw, this guy mentioned something about the famous gamma shift, like on the GH2. I wonder why they didn't think of fixing it.

[quote name='zaz' timestamp='1352196069' post='21125'] relevant: 12-35 2.8 on a gh2. it's on youtube so @0:50 just might be a compression thing, but take a loot. all the usual suspects are present in a godamn high degree. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u4m7u0oqig[/media] [/quote] Shit !!!I noticed the moire too. I am gussing, these tests were done, with the 'shoot without lenses', option OFF. That causes the Camera to do strange things, in an effort to correct chromatic aberration.

[quote name='gravitatemediagroup' timestamp='1352143456' post='21077'] I just shoot videos of my cats running around the house so all I need is a BMCC. If I got a real gig then I may look into a GH3. [/quote] Roflm(f)ao ... Dude, you need an F55, or the EPIC. Or, better still, a multi-cam set-up, with, maybe 12 EPICs and 12 F55s. :D

Excellent interview, Andrew. “The external HDMI feed is clean, uncompressed 4-2-2 8bit like the Nikon D800, but Panasonic have reserved 10bit for the updated AF100A and of course the GH3 does not have professional video or audio jacks such as XLR or HD-SDI. To be honest with an internal codec this good, I can’t see there being much advantage to external HDMI recording on the GH3. The headphone jack gets in the way of the articulated screen but this can be overcome by using a monitor or EVF and keeping the LCD flat against the back of the camera or closed to preserve the battery. The microphone jack is higher up and nicely out of the way.†I wish Panasonic would just get rid of the 8-bit, and get it to 10-bit. That would cure the terrible banding, which appears across the GH2 and GH3 (as well as every other DSLR on the market). That, and getting rid of the moiré and aliasing, and you could add another $100-200, and I am sure, a lot of people won’t be complaining (or shouldn’t … lol). AF100 has a LOT of features, which its competitors, in price don’t. Its just that the image coming out of the camera, is probably, just not as nice, as those coming off cameras around the same price (like the FS100). In many tests, the GH2 produced more detail (and slightly lesser moiré) than the AF100. The AF100 was not a very well selling camera, despite having lots of great features. Anyway, so trying to revive it with a few, minor upgrades, is, IMHO, not going to turn it into a best seller. They are just allocating (unnecessary) resources, and funds, in trying to flog a dead horse. Because Panasonic have thousand of AF100s laying around, which they want to get rid of, then, maybe, they should tweak it a little more, add a few free accessories, reduce it by $1000, and it might just work. The whole thing, with the BMCC coming out and RED slashing its prices, has put a lot of pressure on companies, to price their cameras even cheaper. It still has advantages like XLR sockets, built in ND filters, and other things, over the GH range. So, there isn’t really a conflict, on that front. Tweaking the GH3’s codec, only keeping the AF100A, in mind, may be a poor strategic move. Especially, if you consider, that, a great GH3 will outsell the AF100A, many, many times over. If not by margins, then, definitely by numbers, Panasonic will be making a killing.

[quote name='gravitatemediagroup' timestamp='1351959781' post='20965'] The way I see it, if you really want to know what you think about the camera, you need to just buy it. If you like it, keep it, if you don't like it, then send it back. Where I live there is no camera store/rental, so if I really want to test a product, I have to order it and see for myself rather than make an assumption from a youtube video. But if moire & aliasing is the biggest complaint, Like Germ said, we need to know why some videos have it, and some don't. [/quote] I am sorry, but I find the argument ludicrous. One cannot go out and buy each and every camera, to test it. Whether you return it, later, or not, isn't even important. If that were the case, there would be no need for critics and discussions. Your argument has sent man, right back, to the stone age. Pushing your argument forward, there would be no need to exchange ideas, to exchange information, and maybe, even get a manual, for products. Also, maybe, it stems from your ignorance of buy and return policies. It isn't everywhere in the world, that one can buy a product and return it later, only because you found it unsatisfactory.

galanb, I quite like Nolan's direction, but, I wish, he would some other people collaborate on his scripts (maybe other people, apart from the 3 credits mentioned, in the Batman Movies, on IMDB, apart from his brother and him). IMO, maybe, he needs to improve his writing skills. I Really like his direction, and Wally Pfister's cinematography. They make a phenomenal pair.

[quote name='charlie_orozco' timestamp='1351960016' post='20966'] Funny, when I try to explain moiré to people that don't have much of an idea of what it is (and don't work in video) I try to bring that kind of "human eye moiré" into the table. I give the example of a man with a striped t-shirt behind some blinds. Kinda shitty, yeah. But most of us have seen it. [/quote] Maybe because I work in video (entertainment) too, I know what it is. Otherwise, maybe I would know what one means, but, may not know the exact word, for it. :-) Its also, very visible in those cheap office chairs, with black meshed nylon.

I found Tim Burton's Batman movies to be very low on everything. Low on on dialogues (they were so cheesy), low on action (everything looked like it was rehearsed for a nursery skit), direction and story. It was, batman, at its possible worst. Nolan took Batman to a completely different league. The direction, camera work, dialogues (especially in the Dark Knight) ... everything, was incomparable. I am sure, I have not met anyone, who shares your views on Tim Burton, Christopher Nolan, and the Batman Franchise. P.S.: Btw, I found Joel Schumacher's version even worse.