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[quote name='EOSHD' timestamp='1352486771' post='21412'] They just don't know. It would be daft of Grant to come out and say the MFT version will ship at 7pm on 7th January 2013 when they're still working through the technicalities of a supplier issue. You are completely 100% right to be disappointed though. It is the name-calling that lets people down and it is really unfair on a company who is virtually ALONE on the market in trying to cater to us. [/quote] I agree with you. Anger is no reason to lose one's manners. Also, people should realise, that the BMCC offers a Lot More bang, for the buck. But, I guess, there are a lot of frustrated souls, on social networking sites, and discussion forums, and, if they wouldn't be targetting the BMCC, they would be targeting Steven Spielberg, or someone else. I am sure the BMCC just ignores them. :D

I am guessing , it stems from a lack of good manners, and also,from other, more peculiar things. Like: 1. A lot of these people have already committed to projects, to be shot on the BMCC. Which, quite frankly is not a very good move, because, I guess, a lot of people using it, will have to familiarize themselves with the entire Post Production bit, which they aren't still aware of. After all, there is a Huge difference between an 8 bit 4-2-0 and a 12 bit RAW. 2. A lot of people were picking up the BMCC, for bragging rights (like a certain gentleman here, who plans on using the BMCC to shoot the rats in his colony. Or were those his pet cats?) 3. If the BMCC was supposed to be delivered in June-July, and, its November, then, its very sad, that almost 6 months have passed, since its promised delivery date. If i was in line, I would put my money elsewhere. Though, they Have been improving things at BMCC, and you do get THE best package deal, with the BMCC, I guess, at the end of the day, its bad policy, to promise, and not be able to deliver, whatever the reason may be.

Dude, I think, you didn't move the camera (GH3), to check for Moire. I saw, some appearing, but, before the camera could start developing moire (or atleast allow it to be noticed), you ended the video (and so, the test). Also, you have to open the lens more. Maybe at around f8 or more. cause, the depth of field, was quite shallow, at certain spots, to allow for testing moire.

I know that one can use the Nexus 7, as an external monitor, for the Canon DSLRs (with the DSLR Controller App). I wonder, if there is a (similar) software, to use it with the GH2. It would be Amazing, and AMAZINGLY cheap.

you'll have to remove the video (or the password), if you don't want it going public. EOSHD is far too famous, not to get noticed, in a Google search. Trust me

If you are talking about those sleep line kindda pattern on the deer, then, I am guessing, that, those may be caused by its fur being rubbed against shrubs and bushes. I found the detail pretty good, and the attached mic's quality, was very good. About the shortfalls, on the GH3, I think, Panasonic should sit will developers, and let people buy em off them, through the Android App Store or Apple Stores.I think people wouldn't mind buying things like (software upgrades for): 1. Peaking. 2. 10 bit 4-2-2 Maybe even pick up grips, with XLR and GPRS. About the moire and aliasing, I guess, we'll be updated about them, as newer videos keep making the rounds. Also, maybe having Test Charts, with shootouts, between the GH2 and the GH3, would be a great idea. Btw, this guy mentioned something about the famous gamma shift, like on the GH2. I wonder why they didn't think of fixing it.

[quote name='zaz' timestamp='1352196069' post='21125'] relevant: 12-35 2.8 on a gh2. it's on youtube so @0:50 just might be a compression thing, but take a loot. all the usual suspects are present in a godamn high degree. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u4m7u0oqig[/media] [/quote] Shit !!!I noticed the moire too. I am gussing, these tests were done, with the 'shoot without lenses', option OFF. That causes the Camera to do strange things, in an effort to correct chromatic aberration.

[quote name='gravitatemediagroup' timestamp='1352143456' post='21077'] I just shoot videos of my cats running around the house so all I need is a BMCC. If I got a real gig then I may look into a GH3. [/quote] Roflm(f)ao ... Dude, you need an F55, or the EPIC. Or, better still, a multi-cam set-up, with, maybe 12 EPICs and 12 F55s. :D

Excellent interview, Andrew. “The external HDMI feed is clean, uncompressed 4-2-2 8bit like the Nikon D800, but Panasonic have reserved 10bit for the updated AF100A and of course the GH3 does not have professional video or audio jacks such as XLR or HD-SDI. To be honest with an internal codec this good, I can’t see there being much advantage to external HDMI recording on the GH3. The headphone jack gets in the way of the articulated screen but this can be overcome by using a monitor or EVF and keeping the LCD flat against the back of the camera or closed to preserve the battery. The microphone jack is higher up and nicely out of the way.†I wish Panasonic would just get rid of the 8-bit, and get it to 10-bit. That would cure the terrible banding, which appears across the GH2 and GH3 (as well as every other DSLR on the market). That, and getting rid of the moiré and aliasing, and you could add another $100-200, and I am sure, a lot of people won’t be complaining (or shouldn’t … lol). AF100 has a LOT of features, which its competitors, in price don’t. Its just that the image coming out of the camera, is probably, just not as nice, as those coming off cameras around the same price (like the FS100). In many tests, the GH2 produced more detail (and slightly lesser moiré) than the AF100. The AF100 was not a very well selling camera, despite having lots of great features. Anyway, so trying to revive it with a few, minor upgrades, is, IMHO, not going to turn it into a best seller. They are just allocating (unnecessary) resources, and funds, in trying to flog a dead horse. Because Panasonic have thousand of AF100s laying around, which they want to get rid of, then, maybe, they should tweak it a little more, add a few free accessories, reduce it by $1000, and it might just work. The whole thing, with the BMCC coming out and RED slashing its prices, has put a lot of pressure on companies, to price their cameras even cheaper. It still has advantages like XLR sockets, built in ND filters, and other things, over the GH range. So, there isn’t really a conflict, on that front. Tweaking the GH3’s codec, only keeping the AF100A, in mind, may be a poor strategic move. Especially, if you consider, that, a great GH3 will outsell the AF100A, many, many times over. If not by margins, then, definitely by numbers, Panasonic will be making a killing.

[quote name='gravitatemediagroup' timestamp='1351959781' post='20965'] The way I see it, if you really want to know what you think about the camera, you need to just buy it. If you like it, keep it, if you don't like it, then send it back. Where I live there is no camera store/rental, so if I really want to test a product, I have to order it and see for myself rather than make an assumption from a youtube video. But if moire & aliasing is the biggest complaint, Like Germ said, we need to know why some videos have it, and some don't. [/quote] I am sorry, but I find the argument ludicrous. One cannot go out and buy each and every camera, to test it. Whether you return it, later, or not, isn't even important. If that were the case, there would be no need for critics and discussions. Your argument has sent man, right back, to the stone age. Pushing your argument forward, there would be no need to exchange ideas, to exchange information, and maybe, even get a manual, for products. Also, maybe, it stems from your ignorance of buy and return policies. It isn't everywhere in the world, that one can buy a product and return it later, only because you found it unsatisfactory.

galanb, I quite like Nolan's direction, but, I wish, he would some other people collaborate on his scripts (maybe other people, apart from the 3 credits mentioned, in the Batman Movies, on IMDB, apart from his brother and him). IMO, maybe, he needs to improve his writing skills. I Really like his direction, and Wally Pfister's cinematography. They make a phenomenal pair.

[quote name='charlie_orozco' timestamp='1351960016' post='20966'] Funny, when I try to explain moiré to people that don't have much of an idea of what it is (and don't work in video) I try to bring that kind of "human eye moiré" into the table. I give the example of a man with a striped t-shirt behind some blinds. Kinda shitty, yeah. But most of us have seen it. [/quote] Maybe because I work in video (entertainment) too, I know what it is. Otherwise, maybe I would know what one means, but, may not know the exact word, for it. :-) Its also, very visible in those cheap office chairs, with black meshed nylon.

I found Tim Burton's Batman movies to be very low on everything. Low on on dialogues (they were so cheesy), low on action (everything looked like it was rehearsed for a nursery skit), direction and story. It was, batman, at its possible worst. Nolan took Batman to a completely different league. The direction, camera work, dialogues (especially in the Dark Knight) ... everything, was incomparable. I am sure, I have not met anyone, who shares your views on Tim Burton, Christopher Nolan, and the Batman Franchise. P.S.: Btw, I found Joel Schumacher's version even worse.

[quote name='Leang' timestamp='1351947551' post='20957'] Why because you love B action Batman Films or thinking that Inception's acting was better than Scorsese's "Shutter Island?" :P [/quote] Dude, everyone is entitled to an opinion. IMHO, Nolan is a better director than Scorsese. Though Nolan has directed only 11 films, and Scorsese has directed a LOT more (TV series documentaries and 3 shorts, against Nolan's 1). Also, I don't believe, Shutter Island is Scorsese's best film. I didn't quite like it. Nolan is 42 and Scorsese is 69. Nolan has still a long way to go, and still has a lotta cinema left in him (If Clint Eastwood is any indication, then, quite frankly, Scorsese has a lotta cinema left, in him, too). Also, the Star Wars series seems something similar to Nolan's genres (Batman and all the dark movie psychological thrillers he makes).

I guess, I tried watching it on youtube (in the 'Original' resolution), itself, rather than downloading it. My bad.

You know, Karim, I don't like Moire or Aliasing, either. But, I also noticed an interesting thing. The human eye, creates moire or aliasing, too. especially, more, up close, and for black and white, criss-crossing patterns. Incidentally, IMHO, the GH2 resolves moire and aliasing better than the human eye (or rather the human brain).

Julian, did I notice you changing from 72Mbps to 50Mbps bit rate, for video,before using the ETC? Does the ETC work with the 72Mbps? I've added your points to the list. [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Key improvements on the GH3:[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]1. Weather Sealing.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]2. 2.5mm to 3.5mm mic in.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]3. Sound Monitoring (through headphone jack).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]4. Colours are slightly more flat (though not flat enough).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]5. Longer lasting battery, and grip option available.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]6. Better LCD and EVF. Though, the screen, suddenly, look very blue. Even the grass and everything that is green, has a strange hue of blue.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]7. Bluetooth and Wi-fi (one works, at a time, though, the GH3 has, apparently, both).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]8. [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]1080p60[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]9. Substantially Improved photo quality (this has to be verified)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]10. 72mbit mov[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]11. Time code display[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Where it doesn't seem to have improved, or not improved enough:[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]1. Video quality (still visible noise, under certain conditions, though slightly less).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]2. Comparatively Low Dynamic.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]3. Picture Quality is improved, marginally, though not really enough.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Where it has deteriorated:[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]1. Sudden appearance of noticeable Moire and Aliasing.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]2. Video doesn't seem as sharp (though, in some videos, people state, that, it appears to be, almost, equally sharp. I am not sure I agree with it being sharper, or even close to, as sharp as the GH2).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]3. The sensor is not Multi-Aspect Ratio, anymore.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]4. The ETC is not available for 72Mbps video. And ONLY for photos, of low to mid resolution. Also,it has been reduced from 2.6x to 2x.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]5. It is suddenly bulkier, and a tad heavier (marginally).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]6. Cost of the camera has gone up, substantially.[/font][/color]

Lets make a genuine analysis, rather than play favorites. Key improvements on the GH3: 1. Weather Sealing. 2. 2.5mm to 3.5mm mic in. 3. Sound Monitoring (through headphone jack). 4. Colours are slightly more flat (though not flat enough). 5. Longer lasting battery, and grip option available. 6. Better LCD and EVF. Though, the screen, suddenly, look very blue. Even the grass and everything that is green, has a strange hue of blue. 7. Bluetooth and Wi-fi (one works, at a time, though, the GH3 has, apparently, both). Where it doesn't seem to have improved, or not improved enough: 1. Video quality (still visible noise, under certain conditions, though slightly less). 2. Comparatively Low Dynamic. 3. Picture Quality is improved, marginally, though not really enough. Where it has deteriorated: 1. Sudden appearance of noticeable Moire and Aliasing. 2. Video doesn't seem as sharp (though, in some videos, people state, that, it appears to be, almost, equally sharp. I am not sure I agree with it being sharper, or even close to, as sharp as the GH2). 3. The sensor is not Multi-Aspect Ratio, anymore. 4. The ETC has gone from Video (Completely), and is available, ONLY for photos, of low to mid resolution. 5. It is suddenly bulkier, and a tad heavier (marginally). 6. Cost of the camera has gone up, substantially. [The GH2 did cost around $ 1300-1500, but, only at launch time, and, with the 14-140 lens. Also, since it was Not available, for a long time, and there were series of offers, on the camera, the price was about $899 for the body only, or so. I am not exactly sure, but, sometime around mid to end of 2011, the GH2 + 14-140 lens cost around $ 1155 (on offers) or $1300 (without offer). I am not absolutely sure, of the exact pricing, because most prices, seem to have been removed, from their relevant dates, and the one, that I found, don't seem completely accurate.] Please feel free, to add, to this list, or post you opinion or feedback or corrections.

[quote name='Julian' timestamp='1351854415' post='20860'] According to Panasonic firmware 0.5 is representative for the final product. "[b]EXTC is there, it doesn't work in 72mbit movie recording, only at lower bitrates.[/b]" Don't forget the GH3 isn't a video camera. I remember a quote from a Panasonic guy saying the GH3 is 50/50 photo/video, while the GH2 was more like 40/60. Watch the official [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m-Iwpc_qdg"]promo-video[/url] for the GH3. It starts with a landscape photographer, then Macro, then people, and then Cinema... The stills quality is greatly improved over the GH2. I think Panasonic went for a Sony sensor (if they did make it in-house it'd probably still have mutli-aspect at least) to be able to keep up with the rest (OM-D, Sony NEX etc) in the stills market. And because of this they couldn't do the same magic as with the sensor in the GH2. It is a hybrid camera, the big improvements are in the photography department. Yes, it sucks for us... it's not what we want, but the GH3 is a major improvement over the GH2 overall. [/quote] Where did you get, that the ETC mode doesn't work at lower bit rates. It is disabled completely for video, and also for higher resolution pics. Read Kassim's Post: [url="http://www.freeimagehosting.net/e3i28"]http://www.freeimagehosting.net/e3i28[/url] and [url="http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ipsgx"]http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ipsgx[/url] I think, we should have a shootout, between the GH2 and the GH3. I think the difference in stills will be very little, and the GH2 may be, a tad better, at video. Suddenly, I am wondering, whether getting a Sony sensor, was such a great idea.

[quote name='charlie_orozco' timestamp='1351847083' post='20856'] Those "strange artifacts" were the shitty YouTube compression trying to intepret the grain I added. Big mistake on my part (it's the first time I added it in a whole video). I looks great uncompressed, but it looks quite bad on YouTube, didn't take that into account. Will upload a bit of the video in DNxHD so you can see what I'm talking about. Anyways, those "shooting star" artifacts are nowhere to be seen. Did you continue to watch beyond those first few seconds? [/quote] hahaha ... i must confess, that, I didn't watch the video, maybe, beyond 15-20 seconds. I already found noise, and so,I stopped viewing :P

I find Jim Jannard's behavior of sudden co-incidences, very suspicion arousing. It must a celestial superball event, greater than any, Ever, that Both, a truckload of Red one cameras were ordered by someone (whose name, was conveniently NOT disclosed), ONLY for lease, for some film, and then were given back, after the shoot. Also, Jim did not tell him, How many TruckLoads of cameras were ordered by this great incumbent. AND That, suddenly RED Seems to have realised, that, their investments on their Entire Range, SIMULTANEOUSLY has been recovered, and so are offering discounts, reducing they prices to half of their original prices. Oh, yes, another co-incidence, is that they have (suddenly) built an incredibly efficient factory in Irvine, California, fund better suppliers,lowered assembly costs etc etc. ([size=4][font=courier new', courier, monospace]We have built an incredibly efficient factory in Irvine, California and over time learned how to make EPICs in quantity, lowered our assembly costs, found better suppliers and fully paid off our NRE. When we assembled the 1st EPIC camera in Stage 6 at RED Studios Hollywood it took our team 12 hours. It took two more days to de-bug. Today we can assemble an EPIC in 13 minutes and 95+% need no re-work after diagnostics and testing. It is a testament to our manufacturing team and supply chain teams.[/font][/size][color=#444444][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4][i])[/i][/size][/font][/color] I don't know how the RED guys do it, but, their stream of co-incidences, never end. Maybe, they should be re-christened Co-Incidence Cameras, instead of RED Cameras.

hahaha ... :D

[quote name='Leon Yiu' timestamp='1351823359' post='20843'] I'd like to chip in my two cents. On wednesday night I went to see skyfall at the vue in westfield stratford city where the sony 4k projection system is constantly advertised. The picture appeared particularly soft, possibly as a result of upscaling, another thing about the song 4k projectors is that the frame is cropped rather than the use of an anamorphic lens and masking, I found the black bars on the top and bottom distracting even if black levels in the sony projectors are better than other digital cinemas and film. Before seeing skyfall I was watching 4k videos from youtube on the 15inch macbook pro with retina display, obviously this is comparing apples to oranges, the cinema picture is way larger and lcds pixel structure is crisper. The sound however was incredibly impressive, best I've ever heard, sounds realistic albeit directional. Today I went to Harrods to have a look at the 84inch sony 4k tv as a frame of reference, it was like 4 42inch 1080p tvs together resolution wise, I felt the detail was better than in the cinema yesterday, but once again the screen was much bigger, and I've failed to mention until now I was on the second from last row. [/quote] Could you post urls for the 4k videos on Youtube. I thought Youtube downsized all those videos to 2k.

[quote name='charlie_orozco' timestamp='1351816027' post='20826'] This is what I have at hand. The shots of the guitar player and picking the guitar up and playing it with the skylight behind is an example. I had to lift the lows quite a bit in all of those shots. EDIT: it's exactly the thumbnail shot that I'm talking about, and all those shot from the same angle. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ44i0Woa6E[/media] [/quote] There is Quite a bit of noise in your video (on the staircase, and the seats, etc etc). I just saw a few seconds of the start, and there was already a lotta noise (strange artefacts). [quote name='KarimNassar' timestamp='1351788409' post='20798'] I wondered if it was my camera that was faulty but then I saw it in others people footage like the vimeo link I posted. Maybe you guys should try to pull the shadows all the way up and see if it's there? or maybe it is specific to the flowmotion hack? [/quote] Naah, i don't think its got to do with the FlowMotion Hack. All settings, with very high contrast,and very low light scenes have it. I saw it in the 5D videos too. All cameras with 4-2-0 have it (maybe even with the 4-2-2 have it, though,it may be less noticeable). Though, the noise on the GH2, IMHO,seems to vary,under different circumstances. There are good ISO settings, and there is the ISO bug, and, I also suspect, that, in low light, certain shutter speeds also govern the level of noise. Check this out: [url="http://vimeo.com/18580410#at=0"]http://vimeo.com/18580410#at=0[/url] Its not a big deal, I guess. Everything comes with its limitations. We just have to learn, to work around it. Btw, i realised, that the GH3 has a strange update, on the continuous shooting rate/ high speed burst mode. Whereas, the GH2 shot 4MP pics, at 40 fps, for exactly 1 second, the GH3 does 4MP pics, at 20fps, for 2 seconds. Doesn't, then, the processor power, seem similar? ;)

[quote name='charlie_orozco' timestamp='1351778257' post='20782'] Wow. Not once have I seen that kind of artifacts in my footage. Lucky me! [/quote] Could you please upload footage, in High Contrast, and low light videos? thanks