Andrew Reid

No, I have the camera sitting right in front of me right now. Let me just show you how to grade it. In fact I'll have a book on it ready by 9am tomorrow!

You can scale down raw as well. Raw can be pixel binned. How do you think Magic Lantern 1080p raw is possible from a 22MP sensor? Raw can even be multi-frame composites like on the Google Pixel 3. You need to realise that raw video exists on every camera that shoots compressed video. It sits there in the frame buffer, before being sent for processing.

I haven't got a fucking camera, genius boy!

The problem with tests like these is they may as well be a review of the tester's grading skills. Ever since RAW and LOG first came out we have had the same issue - are we watching badly graded footage or is the camera to blame?

The Z7 is far superior to the A7R III, and I own both. Guess which one will soon be available on eBay

Snow & ice sealing test in their freezer!

Got to the end. Not once does he mention the extreme rolling shutter in 4K! It's like going for a test drive, the dealer not mentioning the steering wheel is bent, and the driver not even noticing! They are both soft. It looks similar to the old 5D Mark III (stock video mode) in 2012. There's 6 years of Canon progress for you.

It's complete sponsored content and no amount of hipsters on hover boards will convince me otherwise. I am 5 minutes in and not even a mention of soft 1080p or severe rolling shutter issues in 4K. Just a load of glossy shots on a slider. It's pathetic. His generation more than ever before lacks a punk spirit. They are so beholden to consumerism, it's almost laughable. Canon gave him a camera and now he's going to say mostly lovely things about it. Maybe the bad stuff will be buried at the end in about 5 seconds.

Dan Chung is the guy to ask about those, he showed us them briefly in a restaurant They were indeed cool. By the way, I just realised the interview with Dave takes place between two ferns. Will have to invest in a better backdrop next time!!

Ah nice. I met Kipon at Photokina and will be trying some of their adapters including that one. Leica M - Nikon Z and EOS R adapters also, and that is a good 'universal' adapter as you can then go Leica M - Canon FD, or similar.

Nice to see you here Jordan. I think for 4K you'd be better off throwing an 18-135mm IS in the bag. It's a lot cheaper than the 24-105 too. Then again in EF-S crop mode, the stills are only 12MP and at 135mm the rolling shutter is going to be unmanageable anyway the moment anything moves. I am surprised you didn't mention the rolling shutter in the DPR TV episode, because it's BAAAAD. Surpassing some of the worst I have ever seen... and I have seen the A6500! There are also strange limitations on Canon LOG, like it has to be used in full manual mode only. I do a LOT of shooting in Aperture Priority mode - why can't you use LOG in that?! Can on other cameras. The other thing driving me mad is I find the 3 presses to get in / out of video mode is really unnecessary.... considering Canon used to have the nice live view switch. What happened to that?! Did you manage to find an EF Speed Booster with autofocus?

I suppose it's easy to forget that a lot of clients aren't very demanding on image quality especially when it's destined for the web. If it gets the job done, then great. What about the X-T3? Going to take a look at it?

Nice. But could have been shot on any modern cam over $1000.

I have mine. Made sure it has a return policy Since the 80D and 6DII have some of the worst 1080p images on the market that wouldn't even have impressed vs a GH2 6-7 years ago, it's not hard to kick one in the nuts. I do like Canon's colour science and sure, not everybody will notice how soft the full frame 1080p is. It's no better than a 5D Mark III (again of 6 years ago). The 4K is where it gets interesting. It's actually a very nice result when paired with the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8, but the major reservation I have is the rolling shutter. I don't know if it's because I'm use to the newer cameras but it feels DREADFUL, worse than anything in my memory of all cameras, worse than A6500 and worse than NX1. It's going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people in 4K. Even with a 50mm on there handheld, the jello was intolerable. Hate to think what it's like at telephoto. The ergonomics are ok broadly but in detail, there's some serious fuck-ups. You can't shoot Canon LOG in Aperture Priority mode or Programme Auto. You can only shoot Programme Auto 4K in stills mode. You cannot just hit record and have it keep the same manual settings as for stills. To access movie mode is tricky as well. It takes 3 button presses of 3 different buttons all widely spaced out on the camera. One on top and two on the back. It's very time consuming. If you use an EF-S lens, the camera won't let you shoot 1.6x APS-C 1080p. It changes the crop of 1080p to 1.8x! The Sigma 18-35mm thankfully is an EF mount lens so not affected. The M-fn touch bar is a disaster. Unusable. Complete jack-pot what setting your swipes end up at. Better to use it not at all, or with button-like tapping motion. Then imagine it as the most easy to accidentally knock two buttons on a camera ever. In movie mode you can't take a still. What I do like - Codec, colour, AF (not perfect though), EVF is nice. Back screen nice and detailed. The 4k is a little soft but I actually prefer less sharpening in 4K, easier on the eye and more cinematic. The 1080p is pretty shit and the 120p is atrocious! I think for all but the most die-hard canon STILLS shooters, for video there are better deals out there. A LOT of better deals out there. That said, I don't HATE it. I think the system has potential in the future once they bring out a higher-end model. I think the end-results can still be nice, if you have the fast aperture / nice lenses to match that 1.8x crop and do a locked-down shooting style, little movement. Canon's colour science and motion cadence are the best. It has decent AF. It has a flippy screen. The GH5 falls short on all 3 of those aspects. Also as Mattias pointed out to me, you can use the different digital IS modes like a digital-telephoto feature. The most extreme crop (looks like 2.4x) IS does produce very soft 4K though. The other mode seems to be a nice compromise, but still no replacement for proper IBIS like on the Z6 and Z7. I'd take the X-T3 over this camera any day, with Fuji's wonderful lens line-up and 4K/60p. The EOS R, if I keep it, will only get used for stills. It's a good stills camera, and Mattias will enjoy it for that.

Interesting, thanks. Will check it out.

There are a lot of different strategies at play, I've chosen mine and I'm going to stick to it. I've enough experience of the other one to know it doesn't really lead anywhere. You can have friends at every company and get sent anything you like, you can go to event after event... But the bottom line is, if all this had zero effect on the coverage and reviews, WHY are they doing it in the first place? It costs them a lot of money when done on the scale of the Hawaii event! Actually putting my own money down on a camera, to use, rather than just to review, makes the coverage more interesting as it's documenting a real-life process, not fabrication. I'm happy to review smaller items from smaller companies that need the exposure for something unique and inventive, like Speed Boosters, lens adapters, or something from SLR Magic like a new anamorphic. When it comes to the rest (large scale PR activities) my advice to all bloggers... just be extremely careful.

Cheers Christoph. It comes down to people not realising their own strength. Chris and Jordan are entertaining and could have stayed on YouTube with their own completely independent channel and been as popular, but they chose to move to DPR so that's the game they must play now - go to all the events, shake hands with all the PR people, miss out Photokina because 'the boss says no'. Don't realise their own strength. All these YouTuber's chasing demo units and relationships with camera companies - they are falling over themselves to be slaves. Don't realise their own strength. Let's just remember... Kai can leave DigitalRev and maintain 700,000+ views on each video. Who needs a fucking boss? Who needs a camera company PR event? I like a free glass of champaign like the next man and sometimes these exclusive events are interesting... but when you look at it soberly in the cold light of day, the core business of this blog is the truth, it's not the business of drinking champaign. Why trade your core business for the odd party? Why trade real friends for fake ones at camera companies? Why?! Fair enough, do it for access, but then at least have the balls to write the truth about camera X and camera Y, otherwise, what do you need access for? What is the access doing for the reader? Is it buttering you up, so that you become a mere salesman to your readers whereas they previously saw you as a filmmaker? Not a wise trade is it? It's very common and unfortunately you can see the impact everywhere you look on the internet. Should be illegal. Yeah, well we'll see how far that impartiality gets him. He will never get another. Not seen the Northrup one, but the point is that the negative stuff gets softened if you're doing it from a swimming pool and you show photos of beautiful models and some amazing footage in the same breath. Was a normal review from Chris and Jordan with balanced good/bad points but people are beguiled by setting and content. All the glitz and gloss of shooting a review at a PR event gives the criticism no weight, no authority. It shouldn't even be allowed because it's subliminal advertising. Mark it as sponsored content, the whole thing.

I have an EOS R on the way in the UK. In stock at most places. So I will review it, at least. Whether I keep it or send it back, I am not sure. I can't see myself being as enthusiastic about using it for video versus some of the similarly priced alternatives like the A7 III and Nikon Z6 (clearly technically superior for 4K in every way) let alone what else I have to play with at the moment (X-T3, etc.). But I do intend to explore what it has to offer at least, keeping some small flame of Canon alive on the site. A few EOSHD articles and maybe a guide if I end up using it more often. Can probably get some nice stills from it even if it doesn't work out for video. I won't be using the native R mount lenses on it, will be using the EF adapter... a bit like a mirrorless 5D IV. Also might be able to run some Magic Lantern tests on it to help A1ex and co, so thought it was worth a purchase.

Thom is a stills guy though. I am not sure if he is even talking about VIDEO AF, which is what we want to know about. At least with my 35mm F1.8 Z mount lens it has been flawless so far. About to test the F mount stuff too.

Sure is. Trying to get hold of an FD adapter now. Quite a lot coming from Kipon too.

It was a great occasion to enjoy some of Photokina with Dave Altizer. This video was an experiment in many ways, to plant a seed for more EOSHD YouTube content. I hope you enjoy the start of EOSHD TV - let's see how this goes in the future when I rope more unlucky people in front of the camera and come up with more content (the channel won't just be interviews). We talk about a range of camera-nerd stuff in the video, not least of all that's on the table in front of us. The Fuji X-T3, the Hasselblad X1D and Fuji GFX 50S medium format cameras, along with the other interesting finds at the show. Warning: contains controversial opinions!!

Something I didn't mention in the article, was how damn responsive it is. There's the zero-blank out when taking a full res 46mp still in movie mode, and with 400Mbit/s write speed XQD card the buffer clearing speeds are almost instant. No lock-ups or waiting at all. Menus are much more responsive than Sony and start-up too.

DPReview said 1.74x crop was the 5D Mk IV in 4096x2160 Now they are saying same 1.7-ish crop on the EOS R even though it only crops 3840 x 2160 from the same sensor. So it is more like a 1.8x crop in 4K and that is before you turn on EIS, which makes it a 2x-ish crop at least.

I am amazed how sparse that motherboard is in there given the specs!! @Michael1 good summary. Pretty much my thoughts as well.

Yeah tell me about it. Some people are treating this place like their own personal SMS app.