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If it is true, for me, the pefect workflow for RAW use, will be the 4k Nraw converted to RED raw. As it should be around 350 Mbs, which is very good for RAW. The only thing I don't know is how do they get this from a 6k sensor. In Gerald Undone, it did look a bit mushy, but I don't zoom 400% in my shots. The 4.1 k from my Z9 is perfectly usable. But in this case it is just half of the pixel.

Are they? The Z8 is 3999€ in Finland (discounted from 4799€) and the ZR is 2449€. Likely the ZR will be similarly discounted in a few years, maybe sooner. h.265 4K 25 fps 10-bit data rate is 190 Mbps on the ZR and 190 Mbps on the Z8, so the image quality should be similar. The ZR has an optical low-pass filter though and the Z8 does not, so details in the ZR footage might be ever so slightly softer. What the ZR does not have is "extended oversampling" so the 4K footage at 50 and 60 fps is likely of lower quality than the Z8 (when extended oversampling is turned on in the latter), and this indeed could be left out of the ZR to prevent overheating in the much smaller body. At 4K 24, 25, and 30 fps the h.265 image quality should be quite similar between the two cameras (apart from the OLPF difference). However, if you record 6K in h.265 this should not be an issue as there is no need to do oversampling and you can convert the footage to 4K using your method of choice in post. Summary: I can see that there would be a quality loss at 50-60 fps at 4K but the image quality should be fairly similar in h.265 between the ZR and Z8 when recording 4K 24-30 fps. This can hopefully be verified when the camera is out on the market. The Z8 is much larger and heavier which makes it less gimbal-friendly (or at least you need a much heavier gimbal than the ZR, potentially leading to body strain and discomfort, and eventually one is not able to continue). The ZR supports digital audio via the hot shoe (future products will support it, including tascam's) and 32-bit float, which are useful features for recording on-location audio. The ZR has a larger back display. I imagine only those who always record video on a tripod would be happy using the Z8 or Z9 while those who hand-hold or use a gimbal often, and those who simply need a lower-cost solution for video would prefer the ZR. The Z8 and Z9 of course are capable of high-resolution stills, with high frame rates, and have much less rolling shutter in stills shooting than the ZR (which has lower rolling shutter in video mode). So, many stills shooters will prefer the Z8/Z9 if they can afford it and justify the cost and weight.

I've noticed this in a couple reviews. Kinda surprised because the h265 on Z8/Z9 is quite good, even when compared to NRAW. So I do wonder if the h265 on ZR is somewhat "bad" maybe perhaps as noted above to circumvent overheating. I like having options on a camera but if the h265 is horrible than yeah that means this is an ultra high bitrate cam only. ..which kinda leads me to ask who would prefer the ZR to a Z8? both are around the same price here in EU.

Someone above was asking about the data rates I recall. For Red Raw ‘Lite’ they are as follows: 6048 x 3402 : 59.94p (3780 Mbps), 50p (3160 Mbps), 29.97p (1900 Mbps), 25p (1590 Mbps), 23.97p (1520 Mbps) Compared with S1II 6K open gate at 200Mbps it really hits hard. As much as I love this camera (the Zr) now I have had more time to think about it, I’d want to use that Red codec and both the 25p and 50p options but that’s 8-16x the data rates…and that would be nuts for my kind of work. Nikon is still the best lens platform however at this time.

So this is a very good test of the ZR. I don't know if the english AI translation is 100% correct, but anyone can try it. He was ecstatic from the start about the DR of the camera and did a latitude test, using middle grey and overexposing and underexposing to see the level before clipping the highlight and the noise barrier. This test is very good for the ZR as DR/Latitude test have been a bit all over the place. If you watched the CVP test, it was like 6 at best 7 stops of latitude!!! The ZR was clipping even before the Z6III !!! My guess is most of the test were done before Davinci last update to incorporate REDraw NE etc. And the guys were using REDsoftware to convert the files in Tiff etc. and it might be that file did lose some information. He is getting 5 stop over and 3 to 4 stop below. So, a 8 to 9 stops of latitude, at nine it is huge. If you watch CineD lab test, you are in the RED raptorX, Panasonic S1ii territory. The Z9 approaches that, but most of the other Sony cameras (but mostly in compress format) like the Sony A1, Sony Venice (RAW) etc are at 8 stops. In their test, their is only the Sony Burano, Alexa LF at 10 stops and the Alexa 35 at 12 stops!!! His complain is like everyone about micro HDMI, and huge file size. I sincerely hope Nikon does give us a lower bitrate REdraw. He also says the h265 is bad, my guess it is that when you get use to that RAW, you see everything around bad. Matti Haapoja had the same reaction when comparing the ZR side by side with the Fx3. He then changed after using the h265 a bit more and said it was at least equal to the fx3 or better. Nikon Zr is its on worst enemy, when people compare its h265 to the raw, because the raw is so good, they feel the h265 is bad. But in the end very very positive about the camera.