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What a bunch of non sense from people like you. Nikon has their own tech, the Z9 is superior to the Sony Burano 30k camera!!! They could build a Burano killer tomorrow with the z9 internals, they don't absolutely need RED tech if they wanted to go into the video camera world. But can you show me any of Canon, Panasonic or Fuji with even a tenth of that resumé https://www.red.com/shot-on-red. Please show us, I am sure Canon has be used on the likes of blockbusters like Dr strange, Spiderman, Aquaman, Guardian of the Galaxy, The Suicide SQUAD, The flash and some of the biggest TV shows like the Witcher etc etc. I will wait, to think their are some people who think a company will throw away such a legacy is just dumb. If you don't even know the basic of branding, why Honda who sells Civics, invested billions on an F1 engine, or Renaud doing the same while they sell Clio's. The people from Nikon have said not to expect anything Tomorrow, not because imbecile are going to say they will kill RED, but because it takes time. RED just released a 8k 120fps global shutter camera, vista vision camera. What do you think, they are selling Canon rebel 50, you think release cameras every six months.

I hope they bring a few of the software features to the RS 1" 360 camera. It looks like the X4 has improved details over the 1", but none of it looked like enough that I'd run out to spend a few hundred bucks on yet another camera, especially since the 1" is still better in low light. Most of the other stuff that I saw in comparisons seemed like it would be solved by tweaking levels or contrast in post. If selfie sticks weren't so universally looked down on, Insta360's combo of 360 camera + great studio software should make them the darlings of the vlog community. Not much need to even pay any attention to where the camera is or if you're in frame - and if something interesting happens, no need to do anything with the camera. Just comment on it so you know when to turn the automatic tracker off in post. 🙂

...with a lot of makeup, lighting, and color correction. Definitely true, which is why I also said that I don't believe any mainstream brand is objectively better than others. Most of the people posting here have said that in one way or another.

But what kind of 'non narrative stuff'? To try and help, we need an idea of what you often film and hence what sort of colours are the important ones to get right. For example, if it's landscapes or wildlife then human skin tones are almost irrelevant, but correctly reproducing the range of greens, blues, browns, yellows and highly saturated, bright, flower colours etc. is important (and it isn't always easy to get a good overall colour balance/compromise in that situation).

Arrived: https://www.insta360.com/product/insta360-x4#x4_compare

Mostly shot on Sony Venice with the 4D as a B cam at times. Not that it matters at all with colors and the main point here.

The plot thickens, my friends. Some Nikon excecs spoke to PetaPixel: https://petapixel.com/2024/04/15/red-will-continue-to-support-canon-rf-but-nikon-is-considering-making-cine-optics/ In summary, they don't see themselves releasing a Nikon Z-mount RED camera in the near future. So the writing is on the wall, IMO. This all but assures they will slowly let RED cinema line dwindle away and introduce new gear with their Z-Mount the tech they adquiered from RED.

Love this movie: Shot on DJI ronin 4d pretty great image price and size are dealbreakers

Yes , fair points. But filming not narrative stuff I’m not concerned about makeup 😆. that said, I saw Dehancer has a plugin for FCP and that may do the trick and make camera brand less of an issues so long as a baseline DR is present and AF is good enough

I see your point @SRV1981about wanting good SOOC color and not wanting detailed info about post color correction. But kye's primary point that color is not about the camera is correct. Makeup changes people's skintones to make them more pleasing, both in real life and on camera. Makeup will do more for your image than camera brand. A simple layer of anti-sweat makeup (I don't know the proper name, but our makeup person used it on some shoots) doesn't change hue, but reduces specular highlights, and immediately makes skin look better*. It's an effect which is impossible SOOC from any brand without makeup. (*And when I say "better" that's content-dependent. If you want a shiny, sweaty face in a horror movie that's of course a separate style of makeup) If you really want info on SOOC color from different cameras, it might help to describe exactly what you are looking for, perhaps using existing movies as examples. Because all modern cameras are good in their own way, so whether you like the creative options from Panasonic vs Canon is all about your creative intent. If you want general, all purpose good color, then I don't believe there is any mainstream brand that is better than others at this time.

I think this was pretty predictable since Ace Pro had arrived (one of my favs along Osmo Pocket + One X2, yes, and now to replace it with this upgrade): https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/promotion/19087/exclusive-insta360-camera-unveiling.html832

You asked "what brands are you usually happy with color wise?" Good colour in an image is basically skin-tones - get them right and the image is good and get them wrong and nothing else matters. The way to get good skin tones is to film someone with the best skin tones you can find, use makeup to improve the skin-tones in your images, and to colour grade the skin-tones in post. Great skin-tones (and great coloured images) aren't created by cameras - they're created on-set and in post. Trying to choose the right camera to get good colour is like trying to choose the right paint and paint brushes that will make your paintings into masterpieces. You're looking in the wrong place.

Vistek just dropped a pretty comprehensive video about how to test lenses, but it includes a bunch of really interesting stuff, ranging from what the various aberrations are, how to test for them, how to see them in the test images, and a range of other factors. He drew heavily from the incredible book The Cine Lens Manual: The Definitive Filmmaker's Guide to Cinema Lenses which is basically the new reference for lenses and has a whopping 836 pages and seems to have come down in price to only $175 or so (it was a lot more previously!)

Very detailed and cool to be honest. That said I have zero clue how this relates to anything I asked I’m beyond lost in the weeds here man. im just curious about skintones SOOC and how they’re achieved easily. No clue what makeup has to do with anything for the situation I asked.

Cam likes the PYXIS...

Yeah a headphone output would be nice, could use it as a quick and dirty back up, booming with just a cabled boom straight into the Deity recorder. But not a big deal it is "missing", as overall this is looking very appealing to me, might get one myself.

I agree on the focus on the influencer kids. In terms of if Nikon should let RED die, that's a tough call. They could retain the R&D benefits of the RED team (which is likely to have a very very different internal culture to the rest of Nikon and would be best kept separated) but without the RED guys talking directly to folks in Hollywood their ability to do R&D would be drastically reduced. RED definitely are a minor player, but they're not without any contacts.

I think it would be a much easier task to develop into this market rather than try and tackle head on the established ‘Hollywood’ industry. Pretentions of serious filmmaking? Then have someone use your new Nikon NX3’s on the sequel to ‘The Creator’, but otherwise, gifting 100 units to 100 Kool Kids for their YouTubes is extremely cost effective marketing.

Yes, that's true. However RED has been a minor player in the high-stakes Hollywood cinema production for some time. ARRI and Sony seem have an iron fist on that market. If were a Nikon exec I'd forget the Hollywood market altogether and focus 100% on the influencer kids with some new devices to make the brand cool again and throw a bone to the diehard photogs with new and improved video features in their MILCs.

I think it crops, but not a lot. 🙂 The M4 is the same sensor as the original E2 and I always found the DR to be fine on it (I wish the high dynamic range mode had worked better) and the noise was fine for me as long as the image was exposed to the right. If you exposed at all to the left, though... noise city. In the end, I sold it because I didn't need the high frame rates so much and other than that, there was nothing it did that the F6 didn't do better. Good point about used prices, btw!

Getting great skin-tones was also a huge focus of film development. Here's a pretty strong example I saw recently (linked to timestamp): In case anyone is allergic to clicking and watching things, if you take this image: and then apply green under her eyes and magenta on her nose it essentially ruins her skin-tones: but guess what - if we apply a film look then those variations in her skin tones that looked awful are mostly eliminated: This is because the film look compresses the green/magenta axis in the image.. before: after: This is a pretty simple colour grading trick. Any half-decent colourist can do this without thinking about it too much, and most LUTs already have this kind of thing built in. Notice that this was all done in post, and didn't rely on the camera at all?

https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/04/15/deity-releases-dxtx-plug-in-transmitter-that-records-32-bit-float-and-transmits-simultaneously/ On paper this is exactly what I want. 32 bit float in a single channel plug on recorder, with batteries that can be replaced on set. And it integrates with their TC system! I've definitely grumbled about closed TC systems, but at least this one connects to everything without extra boxes. Unlike UltraSync blue requiring a separate box just to output LTC. I'll wait for real world reviews and audio samples, but the DXTX looks like it will vastly simplify a boom setup for me. The one design choice that seems pretty odd is that there is no headphone output. Looks like the only way to monitor this thing is with a THEOS receiver, which would be unfortunate. It would be nice if it were a standalone field recorder that you could use with just a mic and no other gear, or if it could be mounted on a mirrorless camera as the XLR adapter. Though in fairness, neither of those are the primary use case that I am excited to apply it towards.

I agree that this is a huge market and definitely where Nikon should focus their attention, and an N-line of cameras would be a good way to do that, especially if it took advantage of the tech that RED has. This doesn't really have much to do with RED making products for Hollywood though - that's a different brand making different products for a different market. Mass-market car companies do this all the time. They use their tonnes of cash to buy an unprofitable sports-car company and get their techs to work on making hot hatchback versions of their cars, and perhaps a new premium line of sports cars under the mass-market brand, but they also help the sports-car brand to improve quality control and keep on making new models. They don't just close down the sports-car brand. Virtually all sports-car brands are owned by another manufacturer that makes family cars.

This is true. However, people are also trying to share their experience with you. For example, if you said that you were hammering in nails with your camera and it was really damaging the camera and you asked how to make the camera tougher, people would reply telling you to buy a hammer. Is this answering the question? No. Are people trying to help you? Absolutely. You have asked a series of questions over the last month or so about technical aspects of cameras that don't have any relevance to real-world shooting except in very very specific scenarios, and when people reply you haven't given any information suggesting that you actually face these scenarios in your own work, you just seem to want to discuss things like these real-world considerations don't actually exist. For example - do you know what the best ways are to get great skin tones? Shoot someone with great skin tones Shoot someone with good skin tones and good makeup Shoot someone with not terrible skin tones and really good makeup Shoot someone with great makeup Shoot someone with good skin tones and ok makeup and do digital retouching in post Shoot someone with not terrible skin tones and good makeup and do good digital retouching in post Shoot someone with ok makeup and do really great digital retouching in post Notice that the camera didn't factor into that equation? I'm sure that you understand that make-up is a pretty big deal on a movie set, but you might not be aware of how much work goes into skin tones and retouching in post. They say that getting the skin tones right is about half of all colour grading effort. Here's a video showing the state-of-the-art tools that are dedicated to this - these tools wouldn't exist if there wasn't demand for it...... this is the tools in Baselight which is the main Resolve competitor.

More than $1k if you buy used. I saw one for <2k and almost got it, but that was when I was still waiting to see what BM would announce. I actually prefer the non-pro even for the same price because NP batteries are better for me. I use the app for monitoring so I don't want the monitor and don't need SDI. BNC timecode and more F buttons would be nice, though. IIRC F6 low jello is a crop mode, right? On the M4 it was a separate full sensor readout with considerably more noise. I rarely used it because it hurt the image too much--that MFT sensor definitely had no DR or noise to spare.