2025 camera rankings new vs used

[kye]

7 hours ago, empedocles said:

Just wondering: why is there no mention of the GH7? (€ 1600 on MPB)

It was released in mid-2024 🙂 

Definitely a strong camera though.  I expect mine to be useful for many years, and TBH, I haven't felt jealous over a new camera release since buying it.  

[empedocles]

20 hours ago, kye said:

It was released in mid-2024 🙂 

Definitely a strong camera though.  I expect mine to be useful for many years, and TBH, I haven't felt jealous over a new camera release since buying it.  

Then it qualifies ("EOSHD’s official observations on the camera market for 2025, new vs used"). 

There are so many options these days it's hard to know which way to go. Would you pick up a G9ii over a GH7?

[kye]

9 hours ago, empedocles said:

Then it qualifies ("EOSHD’s official observations on the camera market for 2025, new vs used"). 

There are so many options these days it's hard to know which way to go. Would you pick up a G9ii over a GH7?

I went with the GH7 as I'm video-first and need the heat management etc.  The G9ii is an incredible camera though.  There's a whole thread about it here: https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/90374-panasonic-g9-mark-ii-i-was-wrong/

Do you have either one?

[empedocles]

3 hours ago, kye said:

I went with the GH7 as I'm video-first and need the heat management etc.  The G9ii is an incredible camera though.  There's a whole thread about it here: https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/90374-panasonic-g9-mark-ii-i-was-wrong/

Do you have either one?

No, I have a GH5s, but I'd like to upgrade, as I need PDAF among other things.

[kye]

16 hours ago, empedocles said:

No, I have a GH5s, but I'd like to upgrade, as I need PDAF among other things.

My take on the situation is that I'm super-happy with the GH7.  It basically does everything I want, and apart from having ultra-sharp ultra-shallow DOF, pretty much does most things that FF does.  It does low-light very well, and is only behind the low-light from FF cameras because they have gotten crazy good.

[FHDcrew]

7 hours ago, kye said:

It does low-light very well, and is only behind the low-light from FF cameras because they have gotten crazy good.

Agreed. I felt the same about the G9II. Lowlight is good. Full frame cameras seem to just be INSANELY good. And seems like the crop of full frame cameras for the most part has been this way for the last few years.  I owned the Nikon Z6 OG from 2020-2025. It has the same IMX410 sensor found in the Sony a7iii, Panasonic S5/S1/S5II/S5IIX. That sensor despite being used in 7 yr old bodies like the z6 or a7iii is great in lowlight, 12,800 ISO and 25,600 ISO never looked bad to me I used to push the z6 so hard with wedding films even dipping into 51,200 ISO and noise was always usable. I dabbled a bit with the G9II in January and lowlight seemed noticeably worse, but at the same time it wasn’t BAD per se and cleaned up well in post. Again I think it’s just that full frame cameras are insanely good. But then again so are crop sensors lol…I was just running some lowlight tests with my friends $649 Canon R50V. With some Denoise in Davinci resolve, 12,800 ISO looked great to my eye. Nuts!  12,800! $649 used to get me a Panasonic G7 and decent lens…how far all these cameras have come. I couldn’t dream of getting that type of result on the G7. But this $649 R50V was extremely impressive lol. We are so dang spoiled. I ended up getting a used canon r6 OG for a very good price ($929), overheating aside its a wonderful cam for $1k average. And looks great at ISO 25,600…

 

I think my biggest isssue with the g9II was PDAF seemed to shut off or be used a lot less when above ISO 2500 or 3200 in a lot of cases. Meaning if you want to rely on autofocus it’s hard to really push things. Because I did find that with some Denoise ISO 6400 and 12,800 were honestly not bad. Maybe I also didn’t have the most optimal lens choices…but when I was recently filming at a summer camp where they had a canon r5 (so I could use the r5 when I wanted and my G9II when I wanted), the r5 seemed to wipe the floor with the g9II at 3200ISO and above especially when pushing things. And unfortunately I just seem to have times where I need to shoot in very very lowlight settings. So full frame is a big help.