Matthew Hartman Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 This is a exert taken from a Forbes article about an official statement from Samsung in relation to the upcoming release of their Galaxy S9 smartphone: "Meanwhile the Exynos 9810 is big on party tricks. 4K UHD can be recorded and stabilised at up to 120fps (twice the 60fps of the 2017 iPhones). There is also support for 10-bit HEVC and VP9 video formats offering a 64x wider colour pallette than the 8-bit colour support seen last year." I can't help but think the above could have very well been the evolution of the NX line of cameras, if not even better specs than this. They are putting this in a freaking smartphone! A freaking smartphone is going to shoot better slow motion than my NX1 with more color bit depth! Unbelievable in both a good and pissed off way. FY Samsung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Damn, imagine a Samsung NX3 being released at the same time this year as the Panasonic GH5S, but the Samsung NX3 has 4K 120fps 10bit HEVC!!!! WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hartman Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 I have never been more disappointed in any other company for discontinuing a product line. We all know had Samsung stayed in the game they would have completely dominated the mirrorless market by now. To unseat long time competitors Sony and Panasonic in this space in such a short time is unheard of. Having been burned by big manufactures I'm looking deeper into the AXIOM APERTUS and Kinefinity Terra lines of cameras. https://www.apertus.org/axiom-beta http://www.kinefinity.com/terra/?lang=en A couple of ppl have remarked the the Leica SL (Typ 601) is the camera the NX2 would have been. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1192093-REG/leica_10850_sl_typ_601_mirrorless.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Matthew Hartman said: I A couple of ppl have remarked the the Leica SL (Typ 601) is the camera the NX2 would have been. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1192093-REG/leica_10850_sl_typ_601_mirrorless.html I would argue the Leica-D-Lux-Typ-109 is the best buy of a lifetime. Take a look at what this guy does with one! http://www.ruslanpelykh.com/about/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hartman Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: I would argue the Leica-D-Lux-Typ-109 is the best buy of a lifetime. Take a look at what this guy does with one! http://www.ruslanpelykh.com/about/ Nice body of work, although I would argue the look has more to do with lighting and the talent. For a complete setup the price is good: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1082942-REG/leica_18471_d_lux_109_digital_camera.html I watched a handful of videos online from the camera and to be completely honest I'm not a fan of the image, which looks to be a bit noisy and muddy even at 4K resolution. I think for a beginning filmmaker it's a great setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Matthew Hartman said: Nice body of work, although I would argue the look has more to do with lighting and the talent. For a complete setup the price is good: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1082942-REG/leica_18471_d_lux_109_digital_camera.html I watched a handful of videos online from the camera and to be completely honest I'm not a fan of the image, which looks to be a bit noisy and muddy even at 4K resolution. I think for a beginning filmmaker it's a great setup. I think it has a BMPCC look to it that I like a lot. And it is a lot more usable than a BMPCC. A perfect camera for B&W work. I realize you are not going to make a Hollywood movie with it but how many on here are.. But that is why there is different brands of cameras and models. But I agree it is not a Doc, Interview camera output wise. It has more of a Cine look, and that is why I like it. Your looking at 6000 bucks for what you like. I can buy nearly anything for that much money used Cine cameras wise. The Kinefinity seems like a nice camera output wise, but damn it seems like a camera company one step from going Bankrupt all the time. They just don't seem very grounded for a camera company for me to buy into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hartman Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: The Kinefinity seems like a nice camera output, but damn it seems like a camera company one step from going Bankrupt all the time. They just don't seem very grounded for a camera company for me to buy into. My guess it because they lack broad support from the community. The same can be said for both RED and Blackmagic when they initially started. It will take time for Kinefinity to gain brand recognition. I understand ppl's skepticism, I mean, I shoot with a discontinued camera after all, I've been around the block. But the alternative isn't all that great either, which is perpetually buying into overpriced systems from companies that care more about their shareholders than their customers. THIS is why the GH5s has very few improvements over the GH5, because ppl are more than willing to pay premium prices for small iterative updates which saves these huge corporations costs on components. This only changes when ppl are ready to take a risk in hopes of shaking up the industry. And trust me, this industry needs a little shaking up. 42 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: I realize you are not going to make a Hollywood movie with it but how many on here are... It's this statement that holds the industry back. Why not? Why can't you make a "Hollywood" (more like Alantawood now) movie with it? The typical reasons you hear are based off manufacturer marketing backed by archaic thinking. Someone who spends there's client's budget renting 3 Arri Alexa's is the person that wants others to think you can't shoot a feature film on a Leica, or a GH5 or even a smartphone. That would mean they've been complicit in blowing their client's money. "Tangerine" was acclaimed. All shot on an iPhone. Look at the original "Blair Witch" film. Did rather well too. STORY IS KING. It's time for us to move on and start thinker broader now. A paradigm shift is just on the horizon, you want to be a part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 11 hours ago, Matthew Hartman said: Having been burned by big manufactures I'm looking deeper into the AXIOM APERTUS and Kinefinity Terra lines of cameras. https://www.apertus.org/axiom-beta http://www.kinefinity.com/terra/?lang=en Axiom is betaware at best, more like alpha even. If you go with that you need to be a keen hacker indeed. I've been following Kinefinity for years now. They kinda make you leap frog back and forth between being excited for them or Blackmagic Design. As in a way, they are kinda like a chinese cross between RED and Blackmagic Design. As BMD releases a camera which is amazing that gets you excited, then some many months later Kinefinity comes along and releases one which is even better and gets you excited for them instead! Then next year's NAB eventually rolls around and BMD brings out a new top dog product! Then some months passes... and you see Kinefinity has a new camera. And so the back and forth cycle continues. Or at least that is how it feels for me! :-P 8 hours ago, webrunner5 said: The Kinefinity seems like a nice camera output wise, but damn it seems like a camera company one step from going Bankrupt all the time. Nah, they have never had money issues we know about. No reason at all to make up the statement they might go bankrupt. Plus Kinefinity has a much bigger parent company, which I'm sure adds to their financial stability. 7 hours ago, Matthew Hartman said: My guess it because they lack broad support from the community. The same can be said for both RED and Blackmagic when they initially started. It will take time for Kinefinity to gain brand recognition. Kinefinity has been much more focused on their local domestic market (and the nearby other asian countries), as china is a BILLION PEOPLE after all. But that is changing, and they're starting to do a bit more of a push into the western world. (such as Philip Bloom is doing a review of the Terra now, and they're getting more distributors) 7 hours ago, Matthew Hartman said: "Tangerine" was acclaimed. All shot on an iPhone. Look at the original "Blair Witch" film. Did rather well too. STORY IS KING. Don't forget however that "Tangerine" was shot also with tens and tens of thousands of dollars of sound equipment and a professional experienced soundie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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