Video Hummus

Looking at the body weight. R5 - 738 grams GH5 - 725 grams Both have IBIS, similar batteries. I think we know why the damn thing potential has overheating problems.

So true. 🤣

Product segmentation, perhaps? I think there has been 4 important aspects of the R5 release: 1) internal RAW took a baby step to becoming mainstream. 2) 10-bit 4:2:2 Log recording is the new baseline. 3) 4K HFR (anything higher than 60p) is the new slow motion benchmark. 4) You no longer need gloves in the winter when operating your mirrorless camera.

Yes, and almost nothing is being processed when you shooting 12-but RAW. It’s just basically wrapping it in a container and dumping it to memory card.

And charge $10,000 to get rid of the record and temperature limits. Profit!

There are other factors too. The size of the process node (40nm, 22nm, 14nm?) the CPU and ISP are made on. I suspect all the camera manufactures are behind or can’t get those chips on newer node sizes. There is a reason an IPhone 11 Pro with a Apple built A13 SoC at 7nm can do amazing things in a tiny phone. You can edit 4K video on that thing and export it faster than an IMac in some cases. All passive cooling in a form factor 20x smaller than an R5. I think the problem lies with the ISP chips that are handling the RAW data, as most of the newer cameras are using ARM based off the shelf CPUs for the UI, IO, and operating systems on the cameras. Would love to see someone open up an R5 and see what’s inside and see what they did to control heat. What chips they are using.

I’m really hoping to see some reliable AF tech in a GH6. Otherwise, depending on what the A7Siii brings I’ll be investing in either canon or Sony moving forward. Sony doesn’t inspire me as much for whatever reason.

I’m very curious of this as well. Especially the 4K modes.

Probably won’t make much of a difference. If your putting videos online to watch (most people are) then everything gets turned into IPB anyway! Perhaps the IPB source artifacts get worst when the video gets chewed up by the final IPB export.

The the act of just inserting a cable will eventually break that stupid port. So be careful.

He did a composite image at around 0:53 where he had the guy in focus but also the tent in the background. Wonderful piece of work and a reminder that its not about the f*cking gear!

They should have looked at what Sigma did with the fp and tried to do something similar. I believe the S1H has a vent with a fan but there isn’t actually any exposure to the internals as I think that cameras has a heatpipe and heatsink on the inside and the fan blows on the other side of the heat sink to cool it. So water or gunk could mess up the van but not get inside. I could be wrong on this. I don’t see any other way to water seal it otherwise. The camera manufactures need to start getting clever on how to cool things down. They could incorporate cheeky heatsink/heatpipe on the bottom of the camera, or a heatpipe that attaches to the 1/4-20 at the bottom so when you screw in a tripod or quick release heat can move from inside to outside (🧐 good opprotunity there for a weekend warrior with a CNC machine to cash in!).

Honestly I would not fiddle with that port at all. Don’t even touch it. It WILL BREAK.

Definitely wait! If it has the AF that can compete. Otherwise, it will most likely be ignored. So hoping Panny can sort it out because they make great workhorse cameras like it's been said many times. Yup, that and the 4K120p. Although, sounds like you'll need a beast of a computer to edit those files. Hopefully the camera can cool down enough between relatively short 1-10 minute active recordings (where you stop recording, reframe, change settings, etc...) and when you hit the record button again. IF it can't then I can see some major problems for users. Not being able to do long form stuff in 4K is shitty. Maybe its hardware related, maybe its the cripple hammer. I'm sure we will know soon enough.

BTW, @Andrew Reid thanks for including feedback from the forum in steering or informing the questions you'll be asking Panasonic in these interviews. Hopefully you can get more of these in the future.

Maybe. I fear the stigma over DfD cannot be overcome regardless of the future performance improvements.

I'm not giving up on believing they can deliver something. It's just that the market has changed and having reliable AF available (doesn't mean you have to use it!) is becoming a must-have feature these days. Just having a really solid, rich 6K or 4K image and the ability to do ProRes RAW via HDMI isn't as appealing anymore when (pending more hands-on tests) the R5/R6/A7SIII gives us that and solid AF. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, it's becoming hard and harder to look the other way on Panasonics AF woes when the competition is starting to offer features that pretty much use to be the sole domain of GH4/GH5 in the sub $3K market. So they need to kinda have something compelling if their AF is bottom tier, hence my questions I wrote in this thread for Andrew to potentially ask. What's their plan?...because I have fairly expensive MFT gear, and with Olympus out of the game, and the camera industry contracting like it is, I'm evaluating what system to spend my hard earned cash in for the next 5+ years. It's important they have a clear answer.

I would like to see a GH6 with something like a modified version of that rumored 42 (or was it 56?) MP quad-Bayer STARVIS sensor. Where we could have the possibility for a high MP photo mode and a quad-Bayer, dual gain, or dual gain output video mode for 4K24p to 120p. Unlimited recording in ALL-I and IPB. Oversampled 4K and 1080p. The R5 and A7SIII will set the bar, hopefully Panasonic can jump over it with the GH6 because in my opinion they will need to to stay relevant in todays market. Sony and Canon are now sitting at the 10-bit 4K table and looking at Panasonics lunch.

Info is coming straight from Canon...not a rumor. Which I’m glad for as it makes it easier to make an informed buying decision!

I’m a bit worried by the perceived dynamic range and possible RS issues in 4K modes (the modes I would use 95% of the time). Hopefully we will get some in-depth numbers and tests soon.

Glad they have a R6 to fill that price bracket and user case! Yes it is, and now I’m even more excited to see what Sony can do and what Panasonic will answer with. Huge opening now for a S35/MFT 6.5K or 8K camera that does all that the R5 does but with unlimited recording (because of smaller sensor/less heat/etc...). Fact seems to be FF 8K, HFR, high MP is a problem too cool in anything but a cinema camera body with active cooling. Unless sensor tech and processing gets faster and cooler this will be a FF limitation for the time being.

While 20 mins overheating times in certain modes are a bummer and could be a problem for some people, I for one, am glad they took the “lets put the feature in” versus saying “heat limitations wouldn’t have allowed it” and released something less exciting or groundbreaking. They would haven been lambasted for it either way. It’s a lose-lose for them and they made the better decision here in my humble opinion. Wether the headline is “R5 falls short: only offers 4K60p cropped” or “R5 has potential to overheat when recording 8K RAW(!) 4K120p(!), or oversampled 4K from 8K HQ mode(!). The later headline is forgivable!

I see this as a bigger problem for Wedding shooters...I missed the shot because my camera overheated and wouldn’t turn on.... If your on a set then use a cinema camera.

Yes, It might be a weak point. Sony certainly excels in this area. FF Mirrorless wars are official on after a false start a couple of years ago.

I think Canon did really well here. Footage from the R5 at first glance looks very good. The footage of 4k120p looks very useable in a sense. The price is high for the R5 but it seems to be worth it. I still think the 8K RAW is impractical for a lot of people, but it also seems to delivery on the 4K as well. The R6 price is very competitive for what you get. I think Canon hit a back to back home run here.