A_Urquhart

Yes, Resolve isn't perfect either, but as an edit suite it is in it's infancy and the improvements come thick and fast. Adobe is an old product so should have its shit together by now. Resolve isn't perfect, but I have more hope in it than Adobe.

Yep, the slight noise is too much for me too. The P4K is a B Camera for me so I rarely need anything more than scratch audio from it but I too will be getting in touch with BMD about the issue. Not really good enough as you say. Just out of interest, have you tried testing it while the camera is powered from the mains?

Me too. I'm using Resolve Studio for most of my own projects now. Used Adobe at a post house with seven suites and had constants issues with Premiere and Creative Cloud accounts. There is also a large scale documentary currently being cut here that I worked on that had to have an Adobe 'Technician' flown in from the other side of the world to help 'resolve?' so many issue as, the project/ suite was unworkable. Premiere is just not fit for large scale projects. While I haven't had to call tech support for Resolve yet, the way BMD has dealt with issues I have had with software relating to Decklink Cards, I am slightly reassured they will deal with any issues far better than Adobe. As a long term Adobe user, they are not getting any more of my money. Terrible product, terrible customer support.

Ive just done a test on mine using a Rode NTG3. Yep, with phantom power, there is a slight noise as you describe. Not really audible at 50% level but definitely audible at 90% level. Hmmmm, not ideal! Basic, but nice little comparison of the P4K to the UMP : https://youtu.be/EmuDLGCm7As

Not sure that is correct. The Studio version can exploit multiple GPU's where the free version is limited to a single GPU. A good article on hardware options for Resolve can be found here: https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-DaVinci-Resolve-187/Hardware-Recommendations And this for a good comparison of GPU's using real world video editing scenarios: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-14-NVIDIA-GeForce-vs-AMD-Radeon-Vega-1213/ If you're not bothered about Premiere, the AMD graphics cards are a little cheaper than the GTX series and still a good option.

It existed a while ago....Genus showed a prototype years ago....... https://petapixel.com/2015/09/17/this-is-a-prototype-of-an-electronically-controlled-nd-filter-lens-adapter/ It would be interesting to find out why nothing came of it, was the tech/ patent bought out by someone or is the tech just not financially viable in a lens adaptor?

I bought Wasabi batteries and while they never got stuck in the camera, the camera did shut down after about 25mins and with the meter showing 75% full so I don't think it has anything to do with the swelling. What I did find is that if I put the Wasabis in with a full charge and left the camera on, the meter would start at 100% and then shut down at 75% 25mins later. But, if I did the same and turned the camera off after 15mins or so (meter showing around 85% left) and then back on, the meter would then show 8% or so charge and shut down five or so minutes later. Seems that the meter was accurate after powering down the camera and rebooting. This only happened with the Wasabis (which I have now sent back). With Genuine LP-E6N, I'm not having any issues.

The Titla G2X set up looks ideal.......shown with the P4K too!

Well written Andrew. Just out of interest, when using my Speedbooster XL and Canon 24-105 f4, The P4K displays the max apurture as f2.7. Also, when using my Canon 1.8 primes, the max apurture displays as f1.2 with the Speedbooster XL. I know some people have commented they want a Full Frame pocket 4K but I think that the MFT sensor is one of it's biggest strengths and extremely versatile. As you say, a crop of only 1.2 when used with a speedbooserXL and great lowlight performance with it's combination of speed booster light magnification and great sensor.

I know, crazy right? Tap to focus doesn't currently work with the Speedbooster XL. I haven't heard of anyone using any speed booster getting the tap to focus working. The Speedbooster XL is best for for full frame lenses on the Pocket. The Sigma 18-35 vignettes with the XL so a .71 Speedbooster would be best for APS-C lenses.

Today, I managed the impossible! Used the Pocket4K as a B Camera to the F5. Shot seven, five minute interviews, all run n gun style, all handheld with no additional accessories (using Canon 24-105 and Speedbooster XL) plus some B-Roll footage over the coarse of 8 hrs. Went through one and a half Canon LP-E6n batteries, they didn't get stuck, the battery door never flung open, the shots were steady (despite no IBIS!), they were in focus (Despite no AF or Focus Puller!)....and the Director was impressed with the footage despite shooting ProRes422 to SD cards. Must have been a fluke cos I'm constantly hearing that this type of shooting is impossible. ? Seriously though, Tilta look to be doing great things with accessories for the P4K and I love the integrated NP-F battery and SSD Slot in the grip. The only issue is that it makes the camera too wide. There really isn't any need for a handle on the left side of the camera so I would rather see a solution that has a battery or two in a battery grip that attaches to the bottom of the camera in a similar fashion to a Canon DSLR grip that would allow hot swapping batteries. Can't be too hard right?

I mentioned something similar in the Pocket4K thread just after I got the camera. I bought mine as a B Cam to the Ursa Mini Pro. Ultimately though, I would happily have paid a little more for a 'Pocket4KPro'. Sensor wise, I'm happy with the MFT sensor as I am using mine exclusively with Speedboosters. The other downside generally for MFT is low light performance but I'm really happy with the Pocket4K in that regard. Blackmagic, make a Pocket4K Pro with same sensor but a form factor that can include a tilting screen, can accomodate a Sony BPU-60 style battery, an SDi output and maybe has internal ND's. For me, I would want it a little smaller than an FS5, maybe similar to a Canon XC15/ C100 style. ?

Blackmagic themselves also sell a power cable kit that is cheaper than the Wooden Camera cable and gives you three cables rather than one.

But your comparing completely different lenses. A 1.2 lens is generally going to cost a lot more than a 1.8 lens. Same as the Fuji 55-140, it's rated at 2.8 so why compare it to the Sony f4? I understand that DOF wise they are comparable taking into account FF vs Crop but a 2.8 or 1.2 lens is faster when it comes to light transmission no matter what system and thus generally more expensive to make. Prime wise, the Fuji XR f2.0 series lens line is pretty well priced and beats all Sony lenses hands down IQ wise apart from maybe Sony's G Master series which are ridiculous money. If you want a good zoom for video, I'm finding the 'kit' lens, XF 18-55 to be great and only costs $300USD. Sure, it's variable, rated at f2.8-f4 but iv'e been really impressed with the IQ out of it for such a small, versatile and cheap lens. At the current price, it's a no brainer.

I have noticed that when changing out a battery, the used battery is quite warm when ejecting it. I'm wondering if all these battery compartment issues are more to do with cheap batteries not being able to handle the warmth without expanding beyond spec. Any cases of batteries getting stuck with the BMD or genuine Canon batteries?

Monopods are no replacement for a tripod. They can definitely be a replacement for IBIS though while still giving you a slight handheld look with a little bit of natural motion to the shot. Exactly. as above. Really don't know what you are doing wrong. Do your monopods have the three feet at the bottom that tilt and a fluid head? If so, these are extremely versatile for video. Exactly, insisting that a camera without IBIS or AF is unusable is just wrong.

Ahaha, this thread title was a statement that another 'goofy arsed' member here made. ? I'm not here saying IBIS and AF have no place on cameras, but the opposite should also not be said.

You're the one making the black and white statements that cameras are 'unusable' not me! Your the one saying that manually focusing is not precise enough, not me. I'm not here to win anything, if anyone thinks you can win an argument on the internet they are kidding themselves.

Cool, leave all the shots with terrible AF hunt in your film because it's new and looks different. OKaaaay! ?

@kye In relation to @thebrothersthree comment about the title of this thread, I replied with this: As you can see, in context, I used the word 'many' in "many seem to agree". Also, "is this the way things are going" is also a fairly general term. How did you take this so personally? If you did, I have no qualms in apologising so, I'm sorry if you felt personally attacked. My question was, are people who expect 'cinematic' images really too lazy to focus a camera or use some kind of support because these contribute to the 'cinematic' look just as much as IQ (and lighting). I mean the point of this thread is not to critique any individual shot and tell you how you could have achieved similar without IBIS. If you do want personal critique, PM me and I'll happily give you some other ideas if you so wish. Exactly, there will be a lot of users here that come to this site for information on purchasing a camera who might be new to the whole game. Your advice that a particular camera is 'useless' because it doesn't have AF or IBIS gives false information in two ways. It suggests that you can't shoot good images unless you have both those features and it suggests that those two features will ensure that all your footage comes out rock solid and sharp. I'm here to provide some context in that if you want to really use a cinema camera (or even mirrorless camera) well, and get great shots out of it, be prepared to use a monopod/ tripod or similar and be prepared to learn how to focus manually if you really want to further your skills. While AF is great, it can hunt around if it can't decide what to focus on and no one wants to see AF hunt in a 'cinematic' video.

Fair enough. Got any examples of how accurate and smooth the AF is when shooting at 0.95 on a lens with speed booster? I'm genuinely interested to see it in action.

Just because a camera doesn't have AF doesn't mean you need a focus Puller. Operators pull focus themselves all the time. This thread is not Cine camera vs Mirrorless, you brought up the C700 for some reason. BTW, which lens are you using to get f0.95 and AF?

Calm down Kye I wasn't calling you lazy if that is what has made you aggressive. I was talking in a general term. You could have shot that shot differently, who knows, it could have turned out better, or worse. I could list a few different ways you could have got that shot or something very similar without IBIS but that's not the point of the thread. Sometimes limitations cause us to think more creatively. Was this a slider shot? It doesn't look like it....but if it was and you pulled it off smoothly, well done. What I wall say is that while no features on your list is essential to everyone, there are some that are a lot harder to workaround if you don't have them. Ive never had a director or producer say that my camera had to have IBIS or AF, whereas I have had them request we shoot 4K, or 50p or that it had to be a 10bit codec. If your camera can't do it, it's hard to work around that. No not everyone works professionally or on demanding productions, but then Im not the one making black and white statements that a camera is unusable if it doesn't have IBIS or AF. Im not here to pick on individual shots, yes IBIS and AF can be useful. I just don't think that a camera without them is unusable and the notion that it is kinda perplexes me hence the thread. Let's not forget that you can add stabilisation via a lens too. Just because it's not in the body, doesn't mean its a bad camera. X-T3, GH5's will still shoot great images and be used successfully by many. My FS700 had face detection too. I agree, it's nice to have if implemented well but no DP using a cine camera (as you are referring too) is going to say that an Alexa, Red, F5, Varicam etc are "useless"

I agree, but it is based on a ridiculous statement which many seem to agree with. I'm just interested to know if this is the way things are going? People are too lazy to carry a tripod or monopod and too lazy to focus the camera but then use the term 'not cinematic' when judging a cameras image. Kinda strange combo to me. Kye's points are also perfectly valid, different tools for different jobs but people in discussions expect a camera to do everything perfectly and have every feature under the sun otherwise it's not workable. I just think people are getting lazy. Like slowmo, it's easy to shoot nice looking slowmo so people are getting lazy and shooting everything in slowmo......

I used this same setup for a few years on the A7S with the XLR module on top for a great Run n Gun package. This lens was made for full frame yet many seem to put them on the FS7 which with its crop sensor, means this lens at 28mm isn't wide enough as a do it all lens IMO. On the Red Epic we had however, we had the Sigma 18-35 and 50-100 for lower end gigs that didn't call for hiring cine lenses. The sigmas really punch well above their weight in regards to pure image quality.