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The Sony camcorders generally have better low light and auto focus so they're popular with sports shooters, however most ENG shooters I know still shoot with JVC and Panasonic. The Panny AG-DVX200 is very popular with my friends that shoot for the local CBS and NBC affiliates and does pretty good in low light because it has a four thirds sensor. Colors are much better than Sony's too. Sony though is probably the best for sports. It's why we used them for sports live streaming and events.

My old company used to shoot with 2 Sony PXW-X70. While I'm not a big fan of Sony's colors, those cameras are fantastic for sports, especially because of the SDI that we'd hook up to the switcher for live streaming. My current set up for run and gun: GH5 with Sigma 18-35 w/ Viltrox focal reducer. G85 with Sigma 18-35 w/ Viltrox focal reducer when I need a second camera. Audio: Saramonic MixMic with Azden SGM-250CX. I got a really, really good deal on the MixMic and even though I have other XLR adapters / mixers, I appreciate the form factor on my GH5. Azden PRO-XD Digital Wireless Microphone System but only if I absolutely need it; even though I haven't experienced any interference when using it yet I still prefer wired mics. Polsen OLM-10 Omnidirectional Lavalier Microphone sometimes going into a Zoom H1 but usually into the camera if possible. They're very affordable but I've been pleased with the sound, especially with a few tweaks in post. Stabilization: Magnus VT-350 tripod. It's a lower budget tripod, I wish it had a better head, but it goes up to 82" giving it considerably more height than other tripods in the same price range, and can hold a pretty heavy load. Moza Air. Got this on sale from B & H, worth every penny. Cases: got a couple of decent ones that were sold at Sam's Club that were a steal for $20. I tend to go with budget gear as long as it gets the job done. This year I've done a lot less run and gun shooting, so I've been investing that money into other stuff.

It might do OK as a simple point and shoot, and will probably be decent the same way the original was, but for more advanced uses / users it's a miss unfortunately. I'd have loved a pocketable camera I could use in public that wouldn't draw attention that was versatile enough to add a mic if necessary. Didn't even need v-log. It didn't seem unreasonable / unrealistic.

It should be kind of a surprise given how short sighted it is to "protect" the mount. It's not like people are going to stop buying Nikon glass. And given that the lens mount was seemingly designed for compatibility/adaptability, it's kinda contradictory. Reverse engineering is possible, obviously, but it could hurt lens performance from 3rd parties.

Of course it does. Processing more data will always require more processing power.

We're talking about 4k 60p, were we not? A larger sensor will always require more processing power because there is more data to process. More processing creates more heat.

Olympus users are generally more photo than video shooters, while the opposite is true for Panasonic users, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd look better.

Of course it does. It requires more processing power, which creates more heat.

Micro Four Nerds on YouTube does a ton of hybrid shooting, including professional work, using the GH5. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAu6iO8En48gGBcEzoUl-sA I think it's perfectly usable for photography, even professionally.

I'm guessing we won't know fully until shooters get to spend more time with it. The consensus seems to be though that it's pretty good, significantly better than what Nikon is advertising.

Except you literally have done exactly that. Go back and re-read what you wrote when he said he liked the 10 bit 4:2:2 better. You're awful, man. Thank you @Shirozinafor alerting me to the ignore feature!

I'm not convinced the A7Siii will have 4k 60p internally but just because one camera company isn't able to implement it for those reasons (overheating) doesn't mean that another can't. I imagine a lot of R&D has gone into trying to make 60p possible in 4k on Sony cameras. One of them will be able to do it eventually, some sooner than others.

Having had the chance to watch a bunch of videos and read a bunch of stuff, overall I'm encouraged by these two cameras. There really does seem to be a lot to like here. Still I don't think it's quite there for those of us that are primarily video shooters. While I feel like the lack of dual card slots has been blown out of proportion, it is disappointing and a strike right out the gate. Not a deal killer for me, but something I've come to expect since shooting with the LS300 and the GH5. I'm also not big on the choice to use fly by wire for the lenses. I'd at least like to see something similar to what Olympus does with their f/1.2 primes and the MF clutch. I also agree with Jordan Drake that since it's fly by wire they should at least allow you to change focusing direction. While no other FF camera has 4k 60p it's still disappointing that it's not possible, even externally (like I can with the LS300.) Prior to getting the GH5 it was never that big of a deal, but after having and using it, it'd be hard to go back to a camera without it. The ergonomics look good. Big buttons, spaced out nicely, a beefy grip. But that was to be expected. The lack of flip out screen though is a real bummer. I'm really not sure why every camera manufacturer hasn't gone that way yet. Overall the video looks pretty pleasing. I look forward to seeing it more out in the wild in capable hands. AF in video looks good too, comparable to Sony and maybe even a little better. The important thing overall is that they're in the game now and really seem to be taking mirrorless seriously. While right now it's not a viable option for me, and I think the A7Siii will inevitably blow these two cameras away for video (it has to right?), I think we're really going to see Nikon really step their game up and by the 2nd or 3rd generation they'll be competitive with video shooters. If by some chance the A7Siii doesn't blow it out of the water, then they might be there already. It's an exciting time for sure!

The point you're missing is, you can post all the lab tests that you want, when it comes to what camera is "better" it all boils down to preference and what each person believes. There are facts and there are opinions, you often confuse the two and denigrate and insult those that don't agree with your facts because, to put it bluntly, you're a dick to virtually everyone. I'm not invested enough to look up the post because frankly arguing with you is pointless, but it was just the other day that you were telling @Shirozinathey were factually wrong because they liked the Panasonic 10 bit 4:2:2 codec more than the Sony's 8 bit 4:2:0. Who the fuck cares about your tests if he prefers the Panasonic? Those aren't facts, those are your own conclusions that you pass on as facts while he came to his own conclusions. What's even more telling is when @Andrew Reidcalls you out you have nothing to say, but when anyone else does you call them fanboys, accuse them of smoking crack, etc. I don't understand why your attitude and behavior are tolerated, regardless of how much useful stuff you share, especially when you have caused at least one knowledgeable professional to post less here. You look to be in your 60s, act like it.

Jon's jump from GH5 fanboy to Sony fanboy is wild. I wish he wasn't such an intolerant dick and was able to process the notion that we all have different opinions, preferences, and wants. If you don't agree with him and his "facts" you're delusional, an idiot or both.

I mean, none of us will actually know until we hold it, but from pictures: The button layout looks preferable, particularly for those of us with big hands. The A7iii's buttons, for example, felt crowded when I used it. The location of the dials look to be unobtrusive while still easily accessible. Overall it looks like a more thoughtfully designed camera.

The GH5 has an ETC mode which will allow you to use your c-mount lenses without vignetting. Lemme use one of the c-mount lenses I have left over from my BMPCC days tomorrow to check. I think mine is 12.5mm too! A Computar one! I use the Viltrox focal reducer with the Sigma 18-35. What a wonderful combo! The Metabones was just too pricey for me, I've been very happy with the Viltrox. Pixco has released a dummy focal reducer too that's $99, if you're not concerned but your lenses communicating with the camera. I got the G85 for $600, which included two cheap Olympus lenses that I sold for about $275 total, so the G85 ended up being $325. So if you can find a deal on it you probably won't regret it. Still though, I love my GH5!

Most people don't like Sony's ergonomics and prefer the traditional DSLR form factor. It really shouldn't be hard to understand.

Really, really disappointing. I kinda wish they'd not released it at all, ha ha, because it's so disappointing. I was really looking forward to a powerful pocket cam that I could carry around with me. I would've had a lot of uses for this camera.

The G85 is very good, I have one as a b-cam for my GH5. I don't think you'd regret getting it, especially if you find a good used deal like I did, though I think the GH5 is worth the extra money. It has fewer MP but it's more than adequate for Instagram, social media, web publishing and even smaller prints (I imagine; I've never printed any images from my G85.) The GH5's 6k photo mode is so great, especially if you're shooting a fast moving subject. I was using it for my nephew's birthday party last weekend and I never had to worry about whether or not I'd miss the shot as he and his friends played. As someone else said it really is an under appreciated feature.

The GH5 is more than capable for stills, especially for online publishing. The 6k photo mode is great for social media use. If I was mostly focused on photos I'd probably look at Fuji or Sony, but if you're going to use it for a lot of video work the GH5 is definitely one of the best options out there in my opinion.

I figured it was worth reminding you that if he prefers the image, and thinks it's far superior, it doesn't matter how much you claim "the facts" say otherwise because, ya know, it boils down personal preference. You're welcome though. I feel I should thank you for being a crotchety old man that has caused multiple people to cease posting here (I miss @Mattias Burling, it's a shame that a knowledgeable shooter and someone that has devoted an incredible amount of time to educating and helping people avoids this place because of you.) You're experience filming people in cafés has been invaluable here.

That's his opinion. There really aren't facts when it comes to preference.

The lack of mic input really is disappointing. I feel like this camera got enough of a following with some video shooters that they'd have listened to our wants more. Aside from the great lens there really isn't much of a reason to buy this vs their smaller ILC cameras.