Nathan Gabriel

4 hours ago, jonpais said:

Dynamic range, low light sensitivity and other cool stuff. Based on what I’ve seen so far, I wouldn’t be purchasing the GH5s for extra dynamic range. Sorry if this has already been posted. 

 

This hasn't been posted yet, so thanks! 

I've been a bit surprised by the reaction to the GH5s. If priced the same I would definitely prefer the better low light performance in the gh5s to the ibis in the gh5. But I'm a bit more inspired by dogme 95 shooting than event photography. Still I'd imagine that if you're shooting a concert it's easier to stabalize your camera than it is to control lighting.

Sorry I don't keep up on all of the camera specs. DPreview says the GH5s can do 10-bit 4:2:2 internal capture at up to 30p. Could the GH5 do that already, or is internal 10-bit 422 new? Thanks for your help!

31 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Its an inoperative command so won't yield you anything 

But its 

http://192.168.54.1/cam.cgi?mode=setsetting&type=colormode&value=vlog_gamma

No, this is set internally in the camera and not by app control so there isn't an external command for it.

Many thanks!

On 7/4/2017 at 7:20 AM, BTM_Pix said:

EDIT >>>>>

OK

After harvesting commands, I can confirm that as I suspected it is game over for VLOG on the GX80/85.

You all owe me £3.99 for that discovery 

 

Can you upload the commands that you harvested or point me to them if they're already uploaded? Thanks!

On 7/4/2017 at 7:20 AM, BTM_Pix said:

EDIT >>>>>

OK

After harvesting commands, I can confirm that as I suspected it is game over for VLOG on the GX80/85.

You all owe me £3.99 for that discovery 

 

@BTM_Pix Do you, or does anyone else, know if it's possible to get 16-235 luminance recording on the gx85? I followed the steps for the basic cine profiles and it worked fine, what would I need to do to check for 16-235? Many thanks!

I just bought a Gx85 and cannot get the colors looking right when I record 4k video. My computer keeps displaying red as orange. I do not think it is a problem with the camera itself because when I record to avchd my computer can read the red as red. Has anyone encountered this problem? Is there anything about the Panasonic recording format that I might need to account for? My NLE is using ITU-R 709 color space. Thanks

So my choice between the gx85 and g85 is coming down to really odd considerations one of which is durability. I have an old c mount lense that I love, but it's giant. I'm afraid that putting it on a cheaper camera could bend and damage the lense mount. Does anyone have insight on the differences in build quality between the two cameras? Does anyone use the gx85 with large heavy lenses?

On 12/21/2016 at 8:40 PM, jonpais said:

I personally would not shoot higher than ISO 800 with my GH4, but I guess if you don't mind spending hours de-noising your footage, you could get away with it. Not sure what you mean that all your handheld shots are with a 12mm lens... is that because you're concerned about camera shake with longer focal lengths? That sounds rather limiting. Anyhow, I've owned both the GH3 and the GH4, and for me the difference between the two is like night and day, both in terms of usability and image quality. Not only are the GH4's colors better (IMO), but if you shoot 4K and downsample to 1080p, there is virtually no aliasing or moire. If you shoot in low light, focus peaking and monochrome live view on the GH4 are invaluable tools to have (I have found however, that on the Fuji X-T2, the LCD is so clear that I don't need to rely on peaking). If low light is something you do on a regular basis, then you should seriously consider one of the newer Panasonics, which not only have focus peaking and 4K, but also IBIS and better low light performance. I would take a properly focused, shake-free image over one that perhaps ekes out a 1/2 stop more in dynamic range (if that is even the case) any day of the week. And if you aren't already heavily invested in u4/3 glass, you might even look into stepping up to a larger sensor camera. If you decide to stick with u4/3, the IBIS of the GX85/G85 is going to be of enormous benefit when shooting with a speed booster, too.

Thanks! I was, in fact, referring to the shake produced by longer focal length lenses when I said all my handheld shots were on a 12mm lens.

On 12/18/2016 at 4:20 AM, Vesku said:

Nathan, if you want good dynamic range, get a used GH4.

I have two concerns with the GH4. Given my shooting style, I need good low light performance and I also am very interested in IBIS. I use manual focus lenses exclusively wich means all my handheld shots are with a 12mm. The Gx85 and G85 seem to have better low light performance than the GH4 from the comments that I've seen. I guess I can do without the IBIS if the low light on the GH4 is actually better than what I currently think. I kind of hate having so many good options?! The GH4 would also be more appealing if the slow motion was sharper

Has anyone done a good comparison between the gx85 and g85? I want to get one, and I'm not sure if the g85 is worth the cost. The only real benefits I see to the g85 is the weather sealing and cinelike D. However I'm not sure if cinelike D really gets me that much more than -5 contrast on Natural. I'm not even sure how much I need the extra dynamic range, I've been shooting on the gh3 for the past few years and the Natural profile typically works fine for me. Opinions?

On 10/1/2016 at 2:47 AM, Fredrik Lyhne said:

If the GH4 sensor wasn't so noisy I wouldn't have sold it as I really liked that camera! When the GH5 finally arrives with the best of both +++ I will upgrade as soon as possible and probably keep that camera for years to come. 

Is low light noise going to be better on GH5 than G85 given the higher pixel count? I almost wonder if I'd prefer the cheaper 16MP camera?

3 minutes ago, zetty said:

I don't see anyone, who cared about audio would record through any mirrorless' ADC/preamp. And even if they did, GX85 could be a great B cam which makes absence of common profiles even more regrettable. It's smaller and cheaper than G85.

Fair enough.

5 hours ago, sanveer said:

I know, I did read most of the specs of the Major Panasonic releases.

I am talking about the GX85, the Rangefinder version of the G/GH series minus the extra features of the GH series. Since the GX85 and G85 share pretty much most of the features (except weather sealing and a mic jack, and many not so major changes), there seems no reason not to have the CibeLike Profiles for the GX85.

It'd certainly be cool if the GX85 got cinelike D, but I don't see why anyone who cared about video would buy it instead of the G85 that has the mic jack.

8 hours ago, sanveer said:

 

This among other reasons is the reason that the GX85 should get a CineLike V and D. The colour science is seriously improved, and regardless of prices, the Panasonic GX85 is the top of the line Rangefinder design (as opposed to the DSLR design that the Panasonic G85 has, and the Panasonic the GX8 is an older camera, with a newer sensor, but no IBIS, shutter shock and very mediocre stabilization, so despite having a higher price, is therefore not a higher or more premium model). 

Panasonic should charge $99, if they don't want to give it for free. 

We should find a way to petition Panasonic more strongly. 

http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/20361-petition-for-log-video-profile-on-panasonic-gx85/#comment-155606
 

Apparently the G80/G85 is going to have the Cinelike V & D:

See second paragraph under video tools:

https://***URL removed***/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-g85-first-impressions-review/4

So I know everyone wants to talk about how the GH5 should be as close to an Arri as possible, but I was really intrigued by the G80 announcement. I'm an armature, budget minded and not ashamed. The lack of a headphone socket is really annoying for the G80, but I already have a GH3 so I'm not too worried about that. The big question I have is if the 4k video is a crop of the sensor like the GH4 or if it is the same framing as the 1080p mode? Does anyone know? How do you expect the G80 video will compare to the GH3? I know some people said the G7 actually had better noise than the GH4... Besides the lack of a headphone jack, is there anything else I should be wary of from a camera like the G80? I've been really happy with my GH3 for what it is.

On 5/22/2016 at 1:45 PM, John Matthews said:

I have a question about workflow. I've resorted to shooting just jpegs because they look great from this camera and also I refuse to pay Adobe for the newest Lightroom when it comes out for GX80 raw support. I also use OSX and fcpx, but would love to move to Linux. Any ideas?

On 5/23/2016 at 2:17 AM, norliss said:

Non Linear Editing software i.e. Final Cut, Avid MC etc.

For Linux I highly recommend kdenlive. It's easily the best free NLE I've seen, it handles my gh3 footage no problem. I know there are better proprietary options, but you might be surprised at how capable kdenlive is.

Panasonic not considering larger sensor in GH 

1 hour ago, TheRenaissanceMan said:

I'm sure it'll at least have the improved noise processing of the G7/GX8, which have a ~1.5 stop improvement over the GH4. 

Is this true? I didn't know gx8 had better noise than gh4. Anyone have a link to sample images? Thanks!

On 2/14/2016 at 9:55 AM, berkenboom said:

8MP is 4k indeed. But if Panasonic wants to do 6k readout, or even 8k(~34MP) in the future,the diffraction starts at f4.5, which is limited.
Though looking at the chart again the diffraction is less than I expected, my bad.

 

I'm just wondering about your chart because I don't understand these things at all. Is the diffraction inherent in the optics out is it possible some new sensor technology can give better results?

Obviously the gh4 is near and dear to many people's hearts. It also seems like they'd feel abandoned by Panasonic if a s35 sensor was introduced even if the sensor supported the old lenses. Let's not forget that a great part of the gh4 was it's body being the same as the gh3, backwards compatibility plays well with budget minded customers. A larger sensor might benefit noise and low light, but not much else. And many people have suggested  great improvement ideas that don't require a larger sensor (global shutter is my favorite). Instead of wondering how they can compete with Sony, which mostly exists at a different price point and customer base, I wonder how the can better compete at their economy price point. Why did Mad Max use an Olympus and Blackmagic cameras instead of Panasonics? It definitely wasn't because of low light noise or 6k. Panasonic customers interested in video are not going to go for headline specs, they are intelligent enough to see the camera as a whole. Given all the flame on this topic, I think Panasonic can rely on some brand loyalty also. The gh4 isn't going to be obsolete anytime soon. If the gh5 hits the right price point, doesn't estrange it's current customers and offers at least one nominal improvement over the gh4, I think it will sell just fine.