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I actually liked that video. I like that soft Canon look. The problem, as of now, is there isn't enough samples and the ones that do exist are not that great... especially when you do a search of other cameras... I just found this video from the LX10 which I think looks great... and it's shot on a one inch sensor.

Idk, that's what I originally thought as well, but the bitrate specs are drastically different. The 80D, according to BH, shoots 96mbps in All-I, whereas the M5 only shoots 24mbps at 24p and 35mbps at 60p. I think it's a safe bet to assume the video will be somewhere between the GX7 mk ii and the 80D. It basically is an interchangeable lens compact camera with some mirrorless bells and whistles. I found this video from the GX7 mk ii and I would expect better than this... and this isn't bad at all.

That first one didn't fuel my desire to get one...

Thanks for finding this... it's not bad. I was interested in a point and shoot a couple months back and after watching a few videos, and reading some reviews, I was leaning towards the Canon G7X mk ii. At $700, I decided to wait for the Christmas price, but it only dropped about $20, so I decided against it, but I was pretty impressed with the video quality with that, so I am glad to see the M5 is looking better. It should be a fun little camera, obviously not for everybody and I'm unsure if I would get it if it was going to be my only camera, but as a grab and go, run and gun, vintage lens pocket cam... it can be useful.

I was messing around with my M10 and Reid-Log yesterday and as I said earlier, the Canon focus peaking is just an outright joy to use. And now after reading this thread and doing some research, I think I want the M5 even more. The DPAF is just so damn appealing with the 5-Axis.

Yup. Use Prolost, EOSHD-Log or one of the Vision profiles and some vintage lenses. And when you want to run and gun, the 22mm for DPAF... that touch drag af looks really promising.

Sorry Bigfoot, for some reason it keeps quoting you...

I would think the quick and easy fix for YouTube, royalty free providers/paid royalty providers and content creators would be a security link or code that shows the music/images are legally being used when you upload the video.

I'm not knocking the Olympus or the Panasonic GX85, I really like that camera and it's IBIS, I'm just saying that the GX85's mechanical IBIS is good but it was no match for Canon's electronic IS on the XC10. Assuming the IS in the M5 is the same tech, then it should be excellent. However, I do think the M5 is overpriced, right now. This camera should be listed as body only for $799. I would have sold my GX85 and preordered the M5 had it been. Canon mirrorless has the best focus peaking I have ever used, well it's comparable to the BMPCC, but it blows away Panasonic's which can sometimes be outright bad. Since this is Canon's first real step into mirrorless, I assume they will start getting more lenses, but for now the 22mm will suffice and should work okay with the DPAF. The 28mm macro that you're planning on getting gets great reviews and has OIS, so the M5's eis will work even better. I think it starts shipping this week, so video samples should be pouring in and I look forward to seeing what you can do with it.

The M5's 5-axis should be as good as the XC10's and you can walk with the XC10 and mimick steadycam shots... can that be done with the Olympus? I know the GX85's doesn't work that well.

It looks great. Good job. I have been so tempted to hit buy on a D750, but I just want to wait and see what gets released at CES first.

Sorry, should have added I don't have an a7s so I don't know if it's possible. Yeah Canon video is soft, but in some ways that's why I kinda like it. Vintage lenses add some nice character. Good color... Idk... I'm probably just feeling nostalgic.

There's really just not enough video samples out there to say for sure, but I must admit I am intrigued by the M5 and regularly look for uploaded video samples. But again since it hasn't been released yet, there have been few samples uploaded. But I do think it could be a cool camera for the reasons you noted (unsure if it would make a good B-Cam to the a7s) And also I think it could be a great camera if you're looking to create visual work similar to Kendy Ty's t2i videos.

Yeah, it's a good little program for a simple workflow. I'm sure you're not getting all of the benefits of Raw but the image still has the weight of Raw with an easy to edit and grade codec. Of course, I have read on a few sites that you shouldn't do any more than tweak the WB before getting it to an intermediate codec anyway... but like with all of this stuff... for every one person that says one thing, you can find two that say the opposite.

If you want a quick and easy workflow to get your feet wet until you learn Resolve, ML Raw Viewer, which was made to process Magic Lantern Raw files, will process BMPCC Raw files and export them to ProRes.

If there was only a dislike button and I'd be in the negatives.

Oh God... I spend too much time here. I have learned a lot, but I hope nobody takes my amount of likes to mean anything more than I have too much time on my hands... because I don't know shit!!!

I agree, I don't think dropping Contrast down to -5 is about getting more DR, it's about me being able to choose where I want to use the DR in post as opposed to where Panasonic wants me to use it to videotape my kid's birthday party... I don't have kids and I'd rather eff up my footage on my own terms, not Panasonic's.

I see your point, but conversely Johnnie makes a film with most of the cameras he reviews, and his reviews are anecdotal based on his experience while making the film. I come here for technical knowledge, but occasionally go there to see a finished film with very specific cameras. Hell, I bought the EOS-M10 for $200 because I wanted to use your Canon profiles and because I saw his real world use of the M10. So, it's all symbiotic.

Yes, according to the video, it will work with both pocket and the micro. They even have some type of ND disks that will drop in as well.

I understand the logic, but I always thought the point of dialing down contrast wasn't about getting more dynamic range, it was about dialing down the baked in contrast curve, so you could choose your curve in post. Obviously people have differing opinions on this, but some of the nicest footage I have seen with the GX80/85 is from Martin Wallgren and Jase and they shoot with the Natural or Standard profile with -5 Contrast. Even back to the GH3 days Noam Kroll recommended using Standard with contrast dialed down.

I find with most 8 bit cameras, unless there is a designated flat profile, that a variant of Prolost Neutral is your best bet... for me anyway. So with the GX85, I have found the best results to be Natural with Contrast -5, Sharpness -5, NR -5, Saturation -2, -3. I find default saturation to be fairly obnoxious in most cameras, so dialing it down usually helps to even the RGB channels. YMMV @Andrew Reid If he used nouns, verbs and adjectives to relay his point we could have a discussion.

A little further explanation...

To add... why does it seem that the IR pollution is almost random? With the Micro, you needed an IR filter with nearly every shot because the pollution was so prevalent, but with the pocket and 12-35mm I didn't use an IR filter and I had no issues with it. Also, did you hear that the new generation of the BMPCC Mosaic filter also adds IR filtration. I think it will be released any day now, so I am excited to see the results.

You're definitely right about the pocket but with zebras at 90 or 95% you usually can get pretty good prores, if you watch your shadows. I started off with the micro, but hated the form factor, sold it, then eventually bought the pocket with the 12-35mm f2.8. I had a bad copy that overheated, so I just returned it. This past week, I was cleaning out my hard drive and finally had a good look at the test footage and it was undeniably the nicest footage I ever shot. There's just a nice weight to the image and the files grade easily as long as you balance them properly... as I'm sure you know... but if I had the money, time, skills and talent I would rather shoot S16 or even some of the newer negative stock S8 with a Pro8mm conversion. Of course, I would love to go back in time 15, 20 years and shoot Kodachrome 40.