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recording a 4k pro res frame is twice as straining as recording a 1080p pro res frame. So they did drop the ball. They should have made media specifically for the unit that is guaranteed to work. They still can. It should not allow 4k recording onto ssds that are not fully tested and approved. It seems that they rushed the device to the market, even though it was like 7 months delayed. A few extra months to iron out the issues would have been a better move. But now they can update the firmware and disable 4k mode unless you are using tested devices. They still can save the day. When the PIX240 came out it had macro blocking issues recording avid dnxhd and when recording Pro Res 4444 it had corrupt frames as well. But people forgive as long as the company handles it quickly and gently. But in the meantime, there's that little odyssey 7q that is waiting for you - he's not upset, he's disappointed that the shogun got a lot of love from small camera enthusiasts. But he's backed by a team of super caring and smart engineers. He wants you to love him again.

Seems like the Shogun users are reporting a lot of corrupt frames - http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?332293-Anyone-seeing-bad-frames-on-Shogun Curious if anyone has tested the shogun with cfast media - especially the newer sandisk cfast media? Seems to make the price differential between shogun and odyssey 7q+ much smaller but at least makes the shogun more reliable. Maybe they need in firmware a way to verify ssd drives in a longer and more controlled way. Poor Shogun, I was looking forward to ordering one of those. so now to revise the review Andrew - odyssey 7q+ is $3,000 including 2 256gb ssd cards and reader. Shogun with new cfast cards which should work (the new Sandisk cfast cards 128gb x 4 at $800 each cards) is $5200. The odyssey 7q+ is $2200 cheaper than the shogun for professionals. So the odyssey 7q+ wins. Cheaper, more reliable recordings, better build, more adaptable, brighter, and more than enough resolution to work in a 7' display to judge critical focus. And better false color. Score one for the nerds!

thanks guys- really nice to hear. The outdoor shots because I didn't have ND for the lens I went to a f/8 on the lens and a 1/1000 shutter - bright bright daylight - shooting at 100 ISO - made it too sharp. Yes it looks no different than c log when you see it ungraded. Shooting at minus 10 contrast (on the camera) and -35 contrast in the wondershare transcode is quite amazing looking. This is a super clean looking image at 800 ISO. Even 1600 ISO looks great. I am excited to sit down in the my studio and do some tests with in camera vs post saturation to see what feels better. Also the newest firmware update does improve the color science and seems to make the auto white balance more responsive. And need to play more with different IMPULZ luts profiles. I'm editing the 4k files on a mac - in final cut pro 7 then taking into resolve. The rolling shutter in 1080p - I haven't tested this mode yet. I assume its doing an in camera down convert so I would hypothesize that it would be the same. I haven't done a formal test on rolling shutter but I rate it around the Sony A7S mode in full frame or maybe the Canon 5D Mark II around - just with my eyes. But again, rolling shutter can be stopped by making the camera a little bigger w a base plate like a zacuto rod system. and also my holding stance is pretty poor. I got away without having to shoot with a Canon 5D Mark II - I never learned the technique as well. Also this was my first shooting test - I just opened up the box and started shooting. My next video that I've been shooting over the past week - hopefully it's less shakey.

here's my first test film regraded - raised blacks. Reconverted properily in Wondershare. Thanks to all your feedback:

being an early adopter is no fun - here's a review of Shogun's build quality: so lesson for this story, being an early adopter is never easy. always wait for reviews. and thank people who bear the burden and purchase the product so you don't have to. The color peaking. It's far too sensitive with no way to change it. You see every speck of sensor noise with color on it, so the whole image (in a scene with any low light/noise) takes on the color of the peaking. The peaking seems to only be a few pixels wide, so it's not a horrible thing (and it's usable), but it does need the ability to dial it back. No LUTS right now; future firmware apparently (who knows when). There's a C-log "LUT" (like Visual Assist on those cameras) and you can mod lift/gamma/gain to make the picture a little easier to work with but that's it. I was not at all happy to see that. The software on it now is almost identical in functionality to what the Samurai Blade had on it with the addition of 2:1 and 1:1 punch in. That's it. Clearly they have more work to do; playback isn't even enabled yet.The basic picture quality is actually very very good. Think of a super bright color calibrated iPad Air. That's just what it looks like - shiny glass cover and all.I found the build quality to be relatively poor compared to their previous products and the Odyssey 7Q. It's all plastic, albeit ABS plastic it's plastic nonetheless. There's almost no metal on it except the screw holes. It feels very light, plasticky, and like it won't last if it's dropped. The front glass will certainly shatter, and that glass has no protection. The glass is also quite shiny and reflects everything (though not as badly as say, a BMCC.)I also got horrible battery life out of it; the included battery fully charged got me maybe 30-45min.

best comparison I have seen of the Shogun vs O7Q. http://wolfcrow.com/blog/fun-comparison-atomos-shogun-vs-the-convergent-design-odyssey-7q/ I am interested in build quality of the Shogun and also how hard is it to see in daylight environments?

​I think it can do 8 bit 4:2:2 out of its hdmi port. only the gh4 and sony fs7 can do 10 bit 4:2:2 right now

I spent the past hour trying to find a person to reach out to, a contact at Samsung Cameras, a pr person, to talk to about some changes for the NX1 - has anyone had any luck? Here's suggestions I have: 1. Enabling uhd in 24p in NTSC. They have it in 25p in PAL, but to NTSC users - that would be amazing. 2. Also a flat, log-like profile for video like slog2 in the Sony A7S. 3. zebra control - seeing what IRE value it's set at.

​No it doesn't. Also, what does Smart Range+ do - I can't see it doing anything to the dynamic range in overexposured areas. I assume it's like auto knee control. But I haven't really put it up to a waveform yet. Also I think lowest setting on contrast is the way to preserve as much image detail as possible but again I need to hook this baby up to a waveform asap.

Mitch Gross from Convergent Design on dvxuser said O7+ is 10 bit thru hdmi used with Panasonic GH4 and FS7. A7S only outputs 8 bit 422 thru hdmi. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?331824-Odyssey7Q-will-support-4K-10-bit-over-HDMI Our engineers have determined that the Odyssey7Q+ HDMI input will in fact fully support 10-bit video in all accepted resolutions. The support for this functionality will be included in the units shipping in the next few days. The camera needs to send it out such a signal of course. Cameras capable of sending 4K 10-bit video over HDMI include the Panasonic GH4 and the Sony FS7.

also according to my "untests" which are not tests at all - NX1 has less noise in the shadows and highlights. A more robust image and more natural sharpness. only downside is jello "rolling shutter" seems to be as bad as A7S.

new firmware is on my nx1 - was so simple to install. It has enabled 6k IMAX recording and global shutter and 14 444 pro res files and slo mo up to 400,000 FPS and made the camera say "nice shot" everytime I get a good shot. I highly recommend upgrading.

but if said user wants to eventually upgrade or rent out their monitor, the O7Q seems to give more of an advantage and work with more cameras better . And it's getting pro res 422 soon and hopefully pro res 4444. For me what matters is monitor quality in terms of color fidelity and luminescence. - 720p vs 1080p doesn't matter to me - the O7Q is way high enough resolution to see if something is in focus or not. Especially from how close one is to its viewing distance. Also the O7Q has a multicam mode which is brilliant as a director's viewfinder. But OLED being brighter for outdoor work and having true blacks and a wider color gamut makes it probably a better monitor. For me, the extra money spent on the Odyssey will pay back well - if not alone for its build quality being stronger so it will last longer. I've put that O7Q thru the desert of Dubai and it survived with no issues whatsoever. Have not had one bad recording. I have a lot of faith in Convergent Design. They have been around a while. I love Atomos too - I own 3 samurais - but those guys break all the time. Maybe the shogun is a step up. But I guess I need to rent the shogun and see for myself. I'm sure the media cost on the Odyssey media will come down in price as well over time. I don't think you want to count out the Odyssey 7Q just yet. I would look forward to someone doing a review between the two devices, especially if that person can have a German accent and mispronounce Shogun as Sho-Goon. That was amazing :)

It feels exactly like the 7D - except lighter. It feels really good - like you can drop it a lot. It also has a very simple menu system which is kind of a relief after the A7S's menu system that reminds me of being back in law school. The GH4 has worse highlight handling - it blows out like video. This is smoother. And I haven't done a formal test, but the NX1 seems to have less noise and compression artifacts than the A7S which can get really noisy in the highlights and shadows. It just feels more robust. Actually I like the image more than out of the Sony FS7 - which is a lot more expensive. But that's just my gut. And really, I need to do a side by side with the Red Epic and Red One MX - I have a feeling in my heart, besides rolling shutter jello issues it would cut pretty darn close to Red footage.

I still think bang for the buck the Odyssey 7Q may be the better option. I haven't played with the Shogun yet but after this latest firmware - the O7Q will allow you to record raw out of the FS700 and FS7 and go to quicktime and improve over the internal codecs, as well as with the C500 and eventually the F5 and F55. Also in terms of monitor quality I think the O7Q seems like a better monitor. OLED is more useful for outside and it has a wider picture gamut. Also you only can use the Odyssey media because it's made to record 4k DPX files - so it needs the absolute best media. I bet we'll hear reports of drive failures on the shogun. and as stated, the build quality on the shogun looks like it won't take as many tickings. but the breakout cable is smart and it weighs less and it can do different flavors of pro res. My vote is still out.

Thank you Andrew for telling the world about this camera! ****UPDATE: CRITICSM addressed! And a lot of criticism. I guess "Uh-Oh" won't get me a cinematography Oscar! I should have exported as 4k pro res hq files, not 1080p pro res files - may explain Moire on some shots. Opps. Also shooting at 4096x2160- only option I have - doesn't give me the option to shoot at 3840x2160 at anything other than 30p - maybe NTSC version so messes it? In Pal I can shoot at 3840 x 2160 but I do like 24p more than 25p. and that's the only option. Let's address criticisms: 1. the shutter, oh god the shutter! Hey, it doesn't look any worse than the Sony A7S in full frame mode or the Canon 5d Mark II - how do we get around this - same technique - shoot with a baseplate and make the camera a little bulkier. You can still work with Jello - just work around it. 2. the moire! oh the moire. probably because of downconvert I did in wondershare - should have kept it 4k files and downconverted via resolve. I will shoot some resolution charts to see. Wondershare is a consumer-y transocding program. So I don't have that much faith in it. 3. the blacks are too black! WHY? --This is my style. I like blacks that are black. Not raised black levels. I like rich blacks. Did they clip? I will go back into resolve and check and redo. Yes okay it's too black. Oh well. I got carried away. So sue me - this is a simple test video, I'll regrade once I'm done putting out fires on camera nerd forums. 4. The dynamic range is garbage - garbage. This is my choice. Again I'll post it ungraded. There is about the same dynamic range judging by my informal eyes as the Red Epic. 12-13 stops. Andrew as EOSHD says the camera may eventually get 14 stops because that's what it can do in stills mode. So there is hope, if you like HDR like 14 stops footage which to me I don't like - I personally think too much dynamic range looks CARTOONY. But that's just me. 5. The blow out on the globe! OH MY GOD THE BLOW OUT - I probably didn't protect for the highlights. If I had a light meter the direct insane sun hitting the globe I would rate at f/32 and the globe underexposed parts at 1/4 at 400 ISO. What is the NX1's native ISO? Does anyone know? H.265. It is almost as good as Pro Res 444 but at 1% of the size. eoshd.com/2013/11/new-h-265-codec-test-prores-4444-quality-1-file-size/ The Samsung NX1 is a $1500 dslr that can record 4k to H.265 - pretty much the most important video compression algorithm of the past decade. This is what the HBO geek comedy Silicon Valley I think is kind of about, in an indirect way. Thanks to Andrew Reid and EOSHD.com for telling me about this camera, I bought this little plastic bombshell. I bought it because of him. I used Wondershare to convert to Pro Res HQ and then took into resolve and applied a Impulz Slog lut 200T tungsten FPE to it, lowered contrast, and messed with the gamma curve. I screwed up on this app. Oh well. I shot using these settings: 1. Color - kept at default 2. Saturation - Minus 3 3. Sharpness - Minus 10 4. Contrast - Minus 10 5. Hue - 0 - kept at default. White balance: Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. Lens: Nikon Nikkon AIS 35mm F/2 - old manual lens - work-horse. I used Cloudy white balance which was dumb - everything was too warm, but not hard to fix in post at all - just slide in back down to that middle dot thingy. I shot a lot at 100 ISO because I didn't have any ND - and also up to 400 ISO. All the shots looked pretty damn good and clean so I could have gone up to like 800. At first the "auto brightness" was on that changed brightness I used neatvideo to sharpen up the footage - I love how neat video sharpens footage - looks so good and natural. My conclusion: This is basically looking like stuff I can get out of the Red Epic Dragon in terms of image fidelity . I mean, image and color and contrast wise. I use the Red Epic a lot and own 2 Red One MXs that I found in a dumpster - and this camera - the image looks better in some ways - well at least pretty much as good. I need to use charts but highlight handling and saturation feels better at this moment, in my gut. Of course - the shutter - rolling shutter - it looks pretty bad. Pretty pretty pretty bad. Oh well. Get one of those stabilizer thingies. It looks as bad as the Sony A7S in full frame mode and as bad as the 5 D Mark II. But again, it's $1600. You get what you pay for. Smoke em if you got them. So it's a $1600 camera to my super informal test that feels on par with a $40k-$60k camera. Uh oh. H.265 right now you have to use Wondershare to convert - they make it for mac and pc. Soon probably all NLE and Resolve and the sort will probably have h.265 as an option. This camera is amazing. From Samsung - completely out of the blue. If you read Andrew Reid's reports on the sensor and the technology on EOSHD.com you'll see how groundbreaking this little plastic camera is.

I got my nx1 - shot today some tests. I am feeling like the native ISO on it to me feels like 400 ISO for best high lights and low light - will shoot a dynamic range chart asap. Seems like 800 ISO is damn good. 1600 is totally fine, which is better than the Red Epic! the color is very nice- I am using a pro lost 5d style profile on it for now - and bringing into resolve asap to start messing around. Wondershare is a great app - I bought it Andrew - thanks again for being a pioneer. Going to make a test video asap.

downloading the stills I see a loss of resolution - but its not too major - but what's more important is that it's pretty close and it's 1% of the size! that's pretty amazing.

this is an important breakthru for video.

this is an amazing review - I can't wait to play with this camera.

Based on feedback by Tim Naylor on this forum - I have regraded Small Moments and Charlie Chicken to make more saturated and with more contrast. Let me know what you think: Thanks guys for your feedback and opinions - it really helps a lot for me to improve in the world of coloring.

most shows switched to alexa because it was cheaper and easier and a cleaner image and better in low light - so you save on lighting. Also I love the look of the Viper - Benjamin Button and Zodiak look amazing. Also an amazing CCD camera - maybe I should buy one of these.

Have you seen Bowling for Columbine recently? It completely looks like it was shot on super 16mm. But I think it was shot on the Sony F900.

There are more photosites on the RGB sensor on the F35 than any bayer pattern camera since made . Or at least I think so . I don't know. Anyway here's something I just shot on the f35 - regraded using davinci. It can create such lovely colors.

thanks guys!