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I love this thread - definitely we are transitioning into less contrast zones. But I like the thick heavy contrast one got on lots of film stock - never before had we had such dynamic range. but it depends on the project - there is no one taste or way to grade anything

same here - maybe light flickering - from your shutter - are you PAL or NTSC - and where are you shooting?

Pretty funny, but not that funny.

Great job Andrew - a very nice review - very honest and well-rounded.

​I love cats too. Maybe they need more camera tests made of them.

​I do big commercials. I'm on one right now. I also have an Emmy and just was in American Cinematographer. And brand loyalty is a big thing. We mostly use Arri HMI lights. Joker sometimes but Arri because we know Arri makes a damn fine light with the M90 or M18 - Joker 1600s never took off. I use the best camera for the job - but I have to have long talks with the producer sometimes about that. For instance, I just did a Lincoln commercial in Dubai and we shot on the Sony F55 - not the Arri Alexa or Red Epic Dragon. Why? - Got that question so many times. Alexa was too heavy - it was 16 hr steadicam days in the 110 degree weather - and Red Dragon - not good in heat - but I got slack - because Alexa and Red have better names. I also shoot dog videos on smaller cameras. I own the NX1 and the Sony A7S - and I work with film and own 2 f35s and red one mx and use alexas and red dragons and arri 416 and 435 on jobs - and there is so much goodness to come from using a small lightweight camera. So much wonder and beauty from using these little guys - it reopens wonder and ease and has improved my color grading knowledge so much. It's such a pleasure to have a lightweight camera where it is fun again, where it's not physically exhausting to reframe. So there is a differing opinion from me. Traditional DPs are now dealing with the new era, where young upstarts like me can rise up without being a loader, 2nd, 1st, , cam op, then DP. Or electric, best, gaffer then DP. I became a DP in just about five years. I was an assistant editor for 5 years going down the editing path and I switched because I was already shooting docs. And there is nothing wrong with that. My sense of lighting took longer to develop but my sense of the emotional space was more developed. Getting smaller moments. There is no right way to be a DP. Because I am so unconventional, I bring a childlike wonder to filmmaking. I bring a different perspective and wonderment to how I work - more innocence, more in the moment. There is no one right path. Older established DPs I have nothing but respect. Maryse Alberti, Gordon Willis, Raul Coutard, Jordan Cronenweth, Storro, Michael Chapman, Conrad Hall, Lance Accord, Nestor, Wexler - nothing but respect. Also the DP of IDA - the most beautiful film I saw in the past 4 years, was a cam operator - first time DP. The director said he was so good because he had no ego. So next time you watch an unlit video of a dog - think about how much fun the DP was having. How casual it was, and how beautiful that can be.

Thanks Andrew! That means a lot. Also it shows your maturity and character how you can forgive them for how they are. But it still doesn't really give them the right to delete or end a thread because it talks about a product negatively. Which is something reduser has done time and time again seen with Jim Jannard's personal harassment of Geoff Boyle who runs CML, a serious DP scientific test forum and website. Which has done amazing things for global cinematography. I understand that deleting posts needs to happen if the poster is abusive emotionally or violently towards anyone else - which they should have done when they started character assassinating you. No matter what you said or did, it doesn't give them the right to do this. But at the end of the day, we need free speech where we can say "I don't like camera B or I don't like forum B." And their attack of my posts was more emotional because I stated that I don't think reduser.net is good for filmmaking - which is a valid topic to discuss. How Red cameas are really good cameras, but reduser is probably not the best thing for their company to associate with. That's all I said. You can read what I said in this thread. At the end of the day, it's all pretty nerdy stuff. But I really don't like how they treated you on that thread. They bullied you emotionally. You are a person - you are a private person. You do not deserved to see your name called out like that. You don't run a company. You're just a cinematographer with a website. Jim Jinnard and Jarrod Land - do they deserve it? Yes, because they are bullies. You never bullied anyone. Jim Jinnard did call Geoff Boyle a "cunt" many times in emails and Art Adams does a great article about it all - http://provideocoalition.com/aadams/story/when-a-camera-manufacturer-hates-me Maybe I'm a vengeful person, but I won't stand for a company and band of bros that take down Art Adams or Geoff Boyle or you. I won't stand for a billionare bully to call out DPs and create a cult-like website that does the same to other people who question him and his camera company. Because at the end of the day, I wish Red cameras the best. Their product is damn good. I own two of them. I wish the Red Weapon can survive the Arri Alexa Mini and cheaper more affordable cameras. The Red One MX has treated me extremely well - whatever existed to create that, I wish the Red Weapon can come in and fix the flaws of the Red Epic MX and Red Epic Dragon and make a camera with less fan issues. With better sensativitiy. With more hd-sdi connectors and better connection placement and better slo motion cadence. I wish their camera improves. They definitely changed the whole industry, for better and for worse. And now I wish they can move forward, for better, instead of falling into their old traps of not separating their products from their noise. With Jannard's recent Weapon post and the title of their new camera - WEAPON - it seems that they may have learned nothing. And that's sad. Well not that sad. I am psyched about the KINERAW 6k! Maybe that's the next Red killer. ​

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This is it, this is the last one. Also yes Roger Deakin's forum is amazing. That and American Cinematographer are the two most useful resources for learning lighting and cinematography, besides EOSHD!!! Finally you are asking me questions. Thank you.Red is not your parent company, landmine media is. The president of that is Jarrod Land, the President of Red Cinema. His company not only doesn't pay you but charges you for advertising and runs a website about blackmagic cameras, Red's rival camera company.Now to your questions:1. yes I have a signature and I don't pay for it - but it's my personal website. It does not sell products. It has my work - 50% of which is nonprofit work and 20% of it is my movie reviews and opinions on art and films. 30% of it does show that I do commercial cinematography, but again I don't use it to elicit work. In fact I have never once gotten work from dvxuser.com - well actually back in the day in 2005 or so someone asked me to shoot a band for $200. But never once did I get an email saying "hey I saw your stuff on dvxuser, do you want to shoot a commercial?"Therefore this does not make me a paid employee.If you did not pay for your advertising, then I would say the trade off for you moderating with your 27,000 posts is that you get free advertising for your products that you can buy. I actually bought the sound book years ago and enjoyed it very much. It was a nice book. I sell no goods on my site.But now I see you are paying for advertising - then that does change everything. That means you're not a liar, but you are getting taken advantage of for all your hard work keeping landmine, inc's operations moving. These are not non profit websites - they have advertising. But that's okay - if you are fine being used by a multibillion dollar corporation - that's okay.What now I don't understand is why Jarrod Land, once he became President of Red Camera, did not relinquish his role with Landmine Media, Inc? Isn't that a conflict of interest for him? One would think so. Now after this private message I am prepared for you to ban me. You have already caused enough damage to not only Landmine Media, but to Red Cinema Cameras. Maybe next time they should pay people who are speaking on behalf of their company so that they can train them how better to talk to members of the press. Originally Posted by David JimersonYou did call me a liar. Which is an insult. It's also untrue. I haven't lied about a thing. I do pay for my ads, not that it's any of your business. Have from the start. Do you pay for the link to your own website in your own signature? (No.) Why is that link there? By your own reasoning, doesn't that make you a "paid employee" as well? If not, why not? RED is not our parent company; Jim Jannard sets absolutely no rules about how we moderate DVXuser, and Jarred has no involvement here anymore. (He could if he wanted to, but he doesn't.) These are all facts. Your refusal to believe them don't make them any less factual. I don't have anything to say about Andrew. Like I said, he can say whatever he likes. Originally Posted by eddavid Originally Posted by David JimersonI am no more a "paid employee" of this site than anyone else who runs ads on it. Lowel runs ads for lighting systems -- are they paid employees? I will admit to a chuckle when I read that. Originally Posted by eddavidNo actually it does. You are generating income from the site. Therefore you are a paid employee - you get paid in advertising. As a paid employee, you are consciously or subconsciously following a code. Because you have a vested interest in these forums. Originally Posted by David Jimerson'Coz I don't wanna. Has nothing to do with anything. Originally Posted by eddavid Originally Posted by David Jimerson Originally Posted by eddavidAnd you like to sell books.I was a mod here for years before I had anything to sell. My participation here isn't necessary to sell anything, anyway.Then why don't you get rid of your banner ads? I don't have thick skin. I did call you a liar. But that's not an insult, it's the truth. Lowel pays for their ads. Do you pay for your ads? Jim Jinnard runs Red camera which Jared Land, CEO of Landmine Media which owns reduser dvxuser etc is the president of. Don't you see the conflict of interest? Anyway I am glad you chuckled. That takes the air out of it. For you thinking that I was threatening you. When I wasn't threatening you. I am very, very, very curious to hear your take on Andrew Reid. He already told me his take. Please do tell.

you are right, I'm done with their conflict of interest. The connection between the president of Red owning BMCuser.com and DVXUSER.com is not healthy for this industry. I ask all of you to take those sites with a grain of salt. Anything bad they say about Andrew Reid can be said a million times against Jim Jinnard and his Reduser reign of terror. And he's a billionare. Andrew Reid is just like you and me - just a guy who is trying to improve his cinematography skills. I will not be bullied by a billionaire and his army of "Yes Men" and "Board of Bros." I hope all of you guys can see this too. It feels good to not be the only one disgusted by how they run their camera forums. UPDATE - now I feel sorry for the mod who deleted my post. He is moderating with 27,000 posts a website owned by the president of a multibillion dollar corporation and has to pay for his little ads for his books on sound etc - So you spend countless hours on this forum and have to pay for your ads? On a forum that is owned by the president of Red camera which is a multimillion dollar corporation owned by a multi-billionare?Wow okay I'm sorry for calling you a liar. But now I feel sorry for you. Originally Posted by David JimersonYou did call me a liar. Which is an insult. It's also untrue. I haven't lied about a thing. I do pay for my ads, not that it's any of your business. Have from the start. Do you pay for the link to your own website in your own signature? (No.) Why is that link there? By your own reasoning, doesn't that make you a "paid employee" as well? If not, why not? RED is not our parent company; Jim Jannard sets absolutely no rules about how we moderate DVXuser, and Jarred has no involvement here anymore. (He could if he wanted to, but he doesn't.) These are all facts. Your refusal to believe them don't make them any less factual. I don't have anything to say about Andrew. Like I said, he can say whatever he likes. Originally Posted by eddavid Originally Posted by David JimersonI am no more a "paid employee" of this site than anyone else who runs ads on it. Lowel runs ads for lighting systems -- are they paid employees? I will admit to a chuckle when I read that. Originally Posted by eddavidNo actually it does. You are generating income from the site. Therefore you are a paid employee - you get paid in advertising. As a paid employee, you are consciously or subconsciously following a code. Because you have a vested interest in these forums. Originally Posted by David Jimerson'Coz I don't wanna. Has nothing to do with anything. Originally Posted by eddavid Originally Posted by David Jimerson Originally Posted by eddavidAnd you like to sell books.I was a mod here for years before I had anything to sell. My participation here isn't necessary to sell anything, anyway.Then why don't you get rid of your banner ads? I don't have thick skin. I did call you a liar. But that's not an insult, it's the truth. Lowel pays for their ads. Do you pay for your ads? Jim Jinnard runs Red camera which Jared Land, CEO of Landmine Media which owns reduser dvxuser etc is the president of. Don't you see the conflict of interest? Anyway I am glad you chuckled. That takes the air out of it. For you thinking that I was threatening you. When I wasn't threatening you. I am very, very, very curious to hear your take on Andrew Reid. He already told me his take. Please do tell.

Tell me more about Andrew Reid's history.And in the meantime I'll tell you about Jim Jinnard the CEO of Red Camera's history on Reduser.net - he publically called out Geoff Boyle and Art Adams in his farewell address. It got in the Hollywood reporter. He was abusive. He deleted posts and banned people.That's your parent company, David.What are your opinions on that? Originally Posted by David JimersonIf EOSHD is what you consider a comfortable home, then have at it. It does seem to be the place where people who get pissed about how DVXuser is run seem to congregate, so you'll be preaching to the choir. (Andrew Reid's history with DVXuser is a colorful one, indeed.) Originally Posted by eddavid Originally Posted by David JimersonEd, I can't even tell you how many people have been upset at moderation and have threatened to incur the wrath of the "community" upon us. No one cares.No one cares. No one cares about anything or anyone. Except I care. And I also care deeply about the freedom of information. Go on EOSHD.com - it seems that actually people do care on this one. Originally Posted by eddavid Originally Posted by David JimersonEd, we have rules in place which have been in place for a very, very long time. Bashing other sites has never been allowed here. It serves no purpose, and it's not good form. Note the tag which has been on the Cafe for pretty much the entire time it has existed: "The place for off-topic discussions. Please keep it civil, upbeat and friendly." As a private forum, we are free to set the rules as we deem them necessary. If these rules are not to your liking, then you are certainly free to refrain from participation here. But keep in mind -- that is entirely your own choice. If you choose to leave, we are not stopping your participation; you are. Jarred founded DVXuser in 2003. He founded REDuser before he was involved in RED. It was initially a subsection of DVXuser. None of this is secret. Never has been. Originally Posted by eddavid Originally Posted by David JimersonI don't even know what that means, Ed. I'm trying to discuss this with you rationally, professionally, and politely. Originally Posted by eddavidSmile David. You're on camera.If you want to discuss this further, lets talk via my phone - 9170-449-0739 or ed.david@gmail.com. We can talk all about the function of private vs public discussion and freedom of information on privately-owned forums. That's a rational and polite way to discuss things vs deleting posts and ending threads. I am also very curiuos about the history of Landmine Media and Jarred Land, president of Red's invovlement in the company and potential conflicts of interests that may entail. So are a bunch of other people.Interesting because what is your definition of "bashing" other sites that happened in my 2nd post? I made no mention of any site in particular. I talked about censorship - which is exactly what you just did. Let me ask you - do you get paid for your job at landmine - and is Jarred Land still the owner? Do you see a potential conflict of interest? Do you see the responsibility you now have in your hands? Especially now that you know that you are being watched by hundreds of camera nerds on other websites?

Is 27000 posts not that much to do since 2003? That's how many posts a day? Not counting for holidays and weekends? David Jimerson Moderator Join DateOct 2003LocationWilmington, NCPosts27,008 Today 07:25 PM

And then they just deleted my 2nd post - here's a private message sent to me about it. Man, it just gets better and better. Remember kids, freedom of information is an important part of civil discussion in any society. As we move more and more towards the virtual - we need to be concerned when communities start censoring themselves when nothing controversial is sad, but a difference of opinion. This is called censorship. It exists - legally, in privately-owned areas. So make sure to keep the net neutral and also please Andrew do not censor unless it's racist, mysogonistic, abusive, etc. The fine line. Originally Posted by David JimersonWe are not paid. Never have been. Ever. I myself have zero involvement in REDuser or BMCuser. Originally Posted by eddavid Originally Posted by David JimersonEd, I deleted your second post -- Jason did not do it. Jarred owning both this site and REDUSER had nothing to do with it. He has owned both for the entire time they existed, and before he was even involved in RED. Also, he has very little to do with what goes on around here, being too busy with RED. He doesn't tell us to do or not do anything. We don't even hear from him much anymore. The entire issue was ranting about another site HERE, which we have always frowned upon. Bashing other sites doesn't serve ANY filmmaking purpose and has nothing to do with why this forum exists. We consider it "pissing in the pool," and that has been against the rules for a long, long time. It's nothing new. So, all we're doing is running the place as it's been run for almost the entire time it has existed. If you truly feel that this place is no longer for you, then so be it. But we're not saying you need to go.Let me get this straight, the President of Red owns Landmine media which owns dvxuser and reduser and bmcuser.com - but he doesn't talk to you guys much but he does pay you guys right? Are you paid to do what you do? Or do you do it for just the love of running three websites? How does that work? Is that a conflict of interest?Why do you do it then? What do you get out of it? How many hours of work is it a week? How many posts have you deleted before? What were the reasons? Have you ever deleted an account?

​I just hope Andrew here doesn't censor me or I'll have to complain about it on No Film School . And then if they censor me there, I'll have to go to Roger Deakin's forum. Freedom to speak about cameras and gear is important for all of us to grow.

​HECK YEA. The proof is that a favorite film at the Sundance Film Festival this year was shot on a iphone with an anamorphic lens adapter - and no one knew. It even got good reviews from critics on its cinematography! That is it. We hit it. Now it's like writing. Anyone can buy a pen and paper - and have been for so long. Now it takes actual skill and experience to make something meaningfull.

i haven't done a real test but to me it seems kind of weird HDR stuff going on with Gamma DR vs just lowering the high contast. Master black in resolve I find I just lower back down - doesn't give anything - but I'll try that out. Thanks for this!

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Saturation -1 Sharpness -10 Contrast -10 Not really into the Gamma Control setting yet - need to do more tests - or raising master black level. Need to experiment more.

I have never seen in the past 7 years a photographer use a Red camera to shoot both stills and video. Not once. And I've worked with some really incredible photographers.

After now doing about 6 jobs on the Red Epic Dragon and about 28 jobs on the Red One MX the more I see that the Red One MX’s motion cadence in slo motion feels better. Also the Red One MX has better heat dissipation and multiple hd-sdi out connectors which is very useful. Also line and mic in options via xlr. Also the colorspace of Red MX doesn’t seem too much different than Red Dragon - definitely not enough to justify the $30,000 price difference. I feel that the Red Dragon definitely has nicer highlight roll off - that is for sure - and less boot up times and higher frame rates and the ability to shoot full frame - but is it enough to justify the $30000 price difference? That's a lot of money that could go towards lighting, lenses, etc. To me, not really as an owner. To rent, sure - why not get a camera that is better and is only $500 a day more to rent. And further proof that owning a new camera is not smart. Just buy an older camera, figure out it’s quirks and flaws and strengths and go from there. Learn how to light, compose, and grade better. No matter how good your shoes are, you still will only get better at basketball if you practice. Same with cinematography.

​the "Red Fail" - the newest camera from Red. Coming soon. No prototype yet but please upgrade and pay $10k - it will be worth it, I swear. Higher frame rates even though for 94% of what you do you only need slo mo at around 48 FPS and the current camera can go already up to 180 FPS or the FS7 can do this for only 7 grand. 10 stops of dynamic range when detail comes out of shadows. 320 ISO. Gets grainy past 640 iso. Very very loud fan between takes. Awkward button placement. Only one hd-sdi out. Weird motion cadence during slow motion. Comes with embarrassing cult-like message board groupies who have over 6000 posts - and do lots of "yes that's great" posts. Run by CEO who personally calls out cinematographers on his "farewell" message board. Embarrassing logo that would be at home at a yuppie biker-themed restaurant in the midwest. New president of company is former message board admin.

I own two red one mxs - with the ssd model I haven't had any issues. it does take 90 secs to boot up which sucks but it's pretty solid. No fan noise issues like epic . same chip as epic mx. has 640 to 800 asa as base ASA so it's better in low light than red dragon with highlight filter. With that said, it is kind of clunky and eats batteries pretty fast. and the media is expensive and you have to have a lcd and all that stupid stuff. Transcoding is a pain in the butt - but the image is really nice. It's a toss up really. It does really nice slo mo at 3k and even at 2k it looks very nice. Fincher was quoted in American Cinematographer liking its look more than the Epic and it doesn't have fan issues. The menu system is clunky. But overall I still like it - I haven't sold them yet. I'm not a fan of the C300 or C500. I love my Sony F35 and Sony F3s still. I like the Sony F55 but still have a soft spot for the Sony F35 and F3 line - even though the f35 is as clunky as it gets It's all a tough call. I think try to borrow a friend's red one mx and mess around with it. if you are in NYC you can borrow mine

So reduser just deleted all my posts because of my thoughts that brand loyalty is bad for film making - and also that reduser is bad for red. The moderator told me that posting on reduser is like coming into red's living room and talking poorly about Red's wife. They are so crazy there. But it's good because spending all day on a message board is a waste of time. Part of what is great about EOSHD is we can praise or trash talk any camera, lens, light, or anything and no one seems to care too much. They are all just tools and objects - sure someone might get mad if you make fun of their brand new car but really - this isn't about cars it's about a thing that records footage to tell stories. Like do you think people got upset if you made fun of their typewriter back in the day? No, you talk about what their typewriter writes.

​I think Convergent Design and SmallHD and Atmos and Filmconvert are companies that are the little that still do great work - don't divide everyone. The big guys have more R&D - more resources - but all can live and work together. I just think Red's Warlike mentality is not really at home in the camera nerd community. We are all nerds. The cool kids do other things with their free time.