Jonesy Jones
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Would love to hear your thoughts about my power solution. As you'll see my solution is dependent on being able to power from an external source while also having an internal battery in the camera that charges while connected to an external source. I don't know if this is supported yet, if we need that coming soon cable solution first, but regardless I believe it'll be supported at some point.
Also, I have become accustomed to leaving my camera on all day during production. I love this. For some reason it is a constant source of purpose and inspiration. Whether I'm holding the camera or it's on a tripod, I like the camera being on. Therefore the internal batteries alone are not an option.
- So first, while on a tripod I'll just keep it plugged into mains. However, this is not ideal if out in the field or if moving the tripod a lot.
- In which case I plan to attach a large v-mount to the tripod, which I can connect to the camera while on the tripod. From one of the videos I've seen these 150 batteries can last 7 hours or more which could basically do the trick.
- I plan to have a second 150 battery that I keep clipped onto my belt. I want to have a scrunchy coiled cable that I use to connect that to the camera when I go handheld. This should keep my rig light and give me the freedom to move around freely, and give me 7+ hours of power going handheld.
- Both batteries become a backup to the other depending on the style of shooting that is happening. I will easily have power for a full day.
- If for some reason I need to be completely cable free, which will probably be rare, the internal battery is fully charged and I should have at least 30 minutes.
Clearly, the last scenario is the bottleneck. If you're on a gimbal a lot that wouldn't work. For me that probably won't be often. I plan on using the old school steadicam/glidecam rigs. Perhaps the newer 3 axis gimbals will allow to also power the camera while attached.
My setup could also work if you like to shoot shoulder mounted. Putting a battery on the back of the camera eliminates the nice ui of the camera itself. But I guess the battery also makes a good counter balance.
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With the addition of USB C, does that mean we can finally connect to a camera? There were at least two images during the presentation of the iPad Pro connected to a DSLR.
The P4K has USB-C. Can they talk to each other? Even if the Pro can't be a live monitor, it'd be awesome to be able to view .braw file dailies from the P4K on an iPad in the field, especially if you are somewhat remote.
Thoughts?
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2 hours ago, Slothorp said:
That's not what I have seen from my tests.
Pictures shot with same lens, at same aperture, at native iso (800 for the BMPCC, 400 for the BP4K) :
Did you touch either, or is that straight ooc? The bottom looks like the darks have been pulled up.
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5 minutes ago, Slothorp said:
Red Alert : did some night tests yesterday. All of them showing red clipping in the highlights.
Ruh roh
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2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:
It is not goodnight in the slightest
The codec is just one aspect of the image. Put yourself in the position of the audience. You do not sit there and only notice one aspect of the image. You also notice the sensor size, the lens, the low light performance, the dynamic range, the frame rate, the motion cadence, colour, grain and more.
Sure the codec will make it's mark on all of the above (apart from sensor size and optics).
But honestly, there's a reason most Alexa shoots are ProRes, not raw. Because the image quality gain is minor (in terms of the end result)
So ignore the following because I'm inclined to trust you on account that you're smarter.... but....
I would say the audience sees none of those things. They're wrapped in the story.
We do need more testing though, on the P4K. I can't wait until you get a P4K in your hands, especially one with .braw.
Also, according to a certain DP who has been on this forum but not so much lately, Alexa ProRes is purely budgetary. When you have 3-6 cams shooting RAW, the storage difference compared to prores is not negligible. We're they similar (or less like .braw will be) date rates, you can bet they'd shoot RAW.
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3 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:
The colour science is at least 80% done in post when you shoot LOG... and 99% when you shoot RAW!
The colour science is in Resolve and can be applied to any camera with a capable enough codec!
Yes. In my opinion this is why the P4K comes out way on top when we're speaking only of image. When .braw hits the P4K, good night everyone.
Now of course image isn't everything. But 2 things people seem to overlook often on the P4K is the user interface and false color.
Not saying those make up for IBIS, AF, battery life, etc. But they aren't forgettable either, although a lot of people do.
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10 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:
My guesstimate based off the BM spec sheet is that to maintain the 85mm rail centre point if the rails went through at its halfway point, then the battery pack/base unit would be 75mm high.
Thats actually plenty of room to accommodate a very decent capacity power bank, the additional XLR and some interesting other additions....
What about a 15mm rod/rail that literally is a battery? So like, you have a cage with a handle and rod that a couple accessories attach to. But the rod itself is a battery. Maybe the handle too.
Maybe this is a dumb idea that's already been mentioned. But it just came to me.
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1 hour ago, kye said:
If you want longer battery life then put on a V-Mount, and if you put it at the back then add an external screen too.
So I'm wondering, if you go this route don't you lose access to the nice BM user interface? This one of the selling points for me actually. If you cover the screen with v mount and add an external monitor is it still possible to easily make camera setting changes? I get your point though, but it seems like we're going to need another solution.
I think there is a wide open market for "creative" power solutions. Make a rosette side handle that doubles as a battery. Or a quick plate that is a battery.
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9 minutes ago, jonpais said:
Just how many fn buttons are there on the P4K anyway?
Have you personal experience with the OS on newer BM cameras? It's awesome. So nice.
And I believe there are at least 3 assignable buttons.
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I love the GH5, particularly IBIS. I do love the image that I've seen coming out of the GH5s, but I just couldn't see paying $2000+ for that camera. The image is too close to the P4K (or GH5) for me to switch or buy the GH5s.
So for me it'll either be to stay with my GH5, or go to the P4K. And really this comes down to trading IBIS, ETC, and battery life for image/color science, codec (and upcoming .braw), better lowlight, Resolve, and great menu. And honestly, that last one is yuge. I really dislike working on the GH5 because of it's menu. It slows me down, and that is the point of these cameras in the first place.
Though I do go back and forth on the P4K, the more footage that comes out, the more I am liking it. I plan on keeping my pre-order on q. Maybe even testing them side by side before deciding which to keep.
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4 hours ago, matthere said:
Oly 12-100 & 7-14 ISO 100-800.
Footage is beautiful. What's up with 30p?
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1 minute ago, jonpais said:
Just looking at the Leica 12mm f/1.4 and 8-18mm f/2.8-4, they’ve both got huge amounts of distortion.
Balls.
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1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:
"Blackmagic told us that Blackmagic RAW will be coming to the BMPCC 4K at some stage, but it won’t be in there when the camera first ships.
It is also very likely that over the next 6 months or so that we will see Blackmagic RAW being implemented into other companies cameras. Blackmagic have said that they are very open to letting just about anyone use Blackmagic RAW as opposed to making it a closed system."
From this article at the bottom.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/09/15/blackmagic-raw-explained-ibc-2018/
When I said other cameras, I was referring to other non BM cameras. Yes, it will be added to the P4K. Perhaps some other BM cameras, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY .braw will be added to other manufacturer cameras for free. The best analogy I can think of is this.
Lets say a nutritional company has created a health system that guarantees you more energy, strength, stamina, whatever, etc. It is based on some new biotech research. Based on many reviews it really does seem to work, but it has to be customized for each person. So you make an appt with one of their personal nutritionist. They take myriad tests and measurements on you personally. Based on your current condition, blood type, build, etc they prescribe a handful of dietary supplements along with some workouts and lifestyle changes. Several weeks later they test and measure you again. You've made progress. But they tweak the prescription a bit based on your reaction to it. Several more weeks pass and they test and measure you again. You're doing even better, but they tweak the prescription once again, though likely this will be your new and default program from there on out. And truly you feel amazing.
Your friend comes along and tries the same things you did, with no tests, and sees little to no effect on his personal health.
BM is able to get amazing things out of the UMP because of the their R&D AND the implementation to that specific sensor/camera combo. In other words, not only was there a great amount of effort spent developing the .braw codec, but it has to be taylor fitted to each sensor/camera combo which requires a great deal of resources.
Not only does this give BM cameras a marketing edge and would be silly to just give it away for free, but it takes a great deal of time to implement. There is also the issue of camera processing power as well. Each of these reasons make it unlikely that we see .braw in a non BM camera and if it does happen, and I would love to see that, it won't be for free.
59 minutes ago, Jn- said:“I've not noticed any "substantial" problems myself but I tend to use manual wide lenses from SLRmagic and Laowa currently, the PanaLeica 10-25 f1.7 has my attention though”
The manual lenses you mentioned may well be better corrected than the Pana/Oly lenses.
Sony also relies heavily on software auto correction.
To see the issue, have a look at the Opticallimits lens review site, formerly photozone. Klaus usually displays the non-corrected distortions etc in his lens tests.
Of course the distortion can be corrected in the nle, its just something you won’t have to do with say a Pana/Oly/Sony camera. Canon Nikon Sigma tend to be better corrected from the get go, so if using say a Canon with adapter, not really much of an issue.
The Pan "Lumix" lenses need software correction, but Oly's don't rely on that as much according to Brawley. I kind of assume the Leica lenses don't rely on it as much either since Leica has such a great lens making heritage.
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54 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:
Yeah but down the road braw might be on damned near every camera since it is free, and a open Codec.
The SDK for playing/editing .braw is free. Installing the codec on other cameras is not free, nor is it easy. They've patented it. But I assume that down the road, something "like" .braw will be available for most cameras. Hopefully.
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10 hours ago, kaylee said:
jonsey, that trailer was AMAZING!! ??? what tha heck!! i had no idea?!! whats the story with the film (Luggage)? can i watch the whole thing online somewhere??
i agree with @mercer, the lovely art direction and cinematography in this trailer perform far beyond how a camera can – you could shoot on potato, jonesy~! what r u up to right now??
*I* need as many bits and Ks as possible for emotional support ? seriously tho, cant believe that was shot on a 7d... awesome
I couldnt agree more, very well said @mercer
thats the story of my life. keep plugging away. if you have to, just keep your head down, and dont look at what other people are doing. chances are, youll wake up one day being the person you once dreamed of being
Thanks Kaylee. Not sure if this link still works but that is where I sold it on demand. Warning: the film is slow. From a "check out what I made with almost no resources" I'm extremely proud of it. Cast was amazing. I just wouldn't produce a film like that again. But I learned so much and hope to try again.
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2 hours ago, mercer said:
Yeah I remember that, and it would have been a smart move. BlackMagic operates in a market they have all to themselves. Of course, I don’t know if l’m sold on the P4K yet. I know everybody was impressed with the Wolfcrow comparison but all I learned from it was that Arri squashes all three cameras (no surprise) and that the P4K was only marginally better than the GH5. With the added features of the GH5, I don’t know if I would switch if I already owned one.
We'll see. I've got the P4K on preorder but have my finger on the cancel button. I'm waiting to see more footage. It's very possible that with the right lens, filters, and Sage's lut, GH5 is a no brainer. But from the footage I've seen so far the P4K has the edge in image quality for sure. But like you said, maybe not enough to choose it over IBIS, ETC. The GH5 is also getting an autofocus firmware update in October so that may be another edge. Battery life is another. However, .braw may do something special to the P4K. We'll see.
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@mercer really appreciate the encouragement. Means a lot to me at this point in time.
It's funny. It's almost like the message of that trailer, made years ago, was meant for me today.
Words can't.
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7 hours ago, mercer said:
Yup, there’s a few shots with the girl in the blue raincoat and the blue in the coat is simply beautiful. The GH5, even in 1080p, with Sage’s color, really turns that camera into something else. It has such a modern, digital cinema look to it that I have grown to appreciate. Add the IBIS and voila, you have a handheld cinema camera that the straight out of box color didn’t previously have. I’m still happy with the camera I have but as prices drop on the GH5, I’m definitely keeping the option open.
And don't forget about ETC. The combination of IBIS and ETC make for a crazy powerful one man band camera. The new Leica 10-25, plus ETC make this lens/camera combo an FF 20-70 f1.7. As wide as you'd ever need. Great portrait. Leica cream and colors.
I was all about the new P4K. Maybe I still am. But I'm thinking I may just stick with the GH5. If I can take the edge off with a black satin filter or something, I may just keep the GH5.
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3 minutes ago, Mokara said:
Zeiss...taking ugly to new heights!!
Really? Man I think it's gorgeous. It's like an Otus became a camera. To each his own.
14 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:I do find it amusing as well that after weeks of debate about how many card slots a camera should have, they've gone "Tell you what, how about none."
Perfect companion for the newer MacBook Pro's.
This camera is far from being a great filmmaking tool at this point but I hope this is just the first of more to come.
Random thought, what if they put an L mount on a newer version. Imagine Leica glass on a Zeiss camera....... hmmm.
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I love the look and feel of this camera and I've never even see it. Can't wait for a more video centric version.
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3 hours ago, Álex Montoya said:
Given the size of the sensor wouldn't it be better a sigma 17-50 2.8 as an all - purpose lens? That's roughly a 21-62 S35 equivalent and paired with a ef-m43 smart adapter shouldn't be more than 600 bucks.
In fact you could use it with the Aputure DEC and have both internal Nd's and the lightest follow focus.
That lens has a major flaw, horrid manual focus with an ultra short focus throw. Ois is also jerky for video.
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13 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:
What topics shall I broach with the manufacturers?
Throw any ideas my way and I'll do my best to find answers!
As much as possible about the new Leica 10-25 1.7. Price. Availability. Weight. Length. Focus throw. Image circle. If the stepless aperture ring works on non panny's. Minimum focus distance. Is it focus by wire? Just anything and everything about that lens.
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2 minutes ago, MattH said:
Yeah if it had IS it would be perfect for the pocket 4k. I guess its still appealing in many ways, but the lack of IS is a dampener and makes other options have more appeal like light weight primes or speed boosted dslr lenses that do have IS.
Well, start looking at your options in this range and you'll find few. Native m43 lenses have few options in this range, primes or zooms. And what you trade for one spec you lose in another. The closest lens to this is the Tokina 11-20mm 2.8. I believe it does come in m43 mount, and can even be had in an upcoming Cine version. And can move up to S35 sensors which is great. But, with this new lens, you trade range and speed. Plus its Leica glass which is worth a look. Can't wait for more info.
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Good lord. Are we talking about cameras or camera companies? Or members of this forum? Regardless none resemble a dictatorship in any way shape or form. Do the definition of words even matter any more?