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I think it’s mainly a question of resolution. In most of the mentionned cameras we get upscaled 720p thus poor looking images. It’s true that the bitrate is also too low for Sony for example. what is the 120p bitrate on Z6/Z7? It’s 200mbps h265 on XT3 isn’t it?

Actually Z6 is cheaper than the R.

Lol, welcome back to 5y ago with 1080p. By the way, from all videos I have seen it seems to me Z7 AF is actually better than EOS R for video. Everyone assume Canon DPAF is always the best but it does not seem that good in the R compared to other Canons. On the other end, the Z7 people had low expectation yet some footage are incredible AF wise

E2 is totally out of the question for me for many reasons. Thanks for pointing out the real size though. Like many others here, I assume XT3 120p is best, but I would love to see a real world footage comparison especially vs A7III and Z7 with busy scenes. The only person I am aware having the 3 cameras is @Andrew Reid

E2 is a big camera, nothing to do with XT3 and RX100, sorry forgot to exclude this category.

With the new players (Z7, XT3, upcoming S1...) I think it would be cool to re-give the prize for best 120p in the market. @Andrew Reid you have both the XT3 and Z7, which one is better in 120p? Any footage comparison planned? All good 120p cameras now do good quality for close up (like a portrait and big bokeh) but you can easily tell them appart when you film a wide busy scene with water and grass for example: this is what is interesting to compare. Worth putting in the comparison IMO: A7III / RX100 / Z7 / XT3 / GH5 / 1DX2 and soon S1 and A7SIII

The XT3 would blow the GH5s at the same price, so for $1500 there is no question. Better slowmo, better IQ, better colors, better DR, better DoF possibilities... There really is no comparison IMO. Wait, and the AF? For this feature alone the XT3 explodes the GH5. Panasonic and their 10y old AF tech can ... themselves. They dare releasing the same thing on the S1, what a joke. This camera industry like jokes. Fuji is doing a Fantastic job, it's a PITFA that we either have to choose APSC or MF where FF is the sweet spot for many people myself included. If Fuji would have been FF Instead of APSC, Canikon and Sony would shit themselves today. Imagine a XH2 (essentially soon a XT3 in a XH1 body) with best in class everything, but FF and similar glasses Fuji developed for APSC but for FF. Now that would be something, we would have it all, nice ergonomics, colors, AF, IBIS, 4K60p, 10 bit, great lenses and body ....

NO IBIS? This must be a joke. All companies keep saying 4K60P is difficult to achieve for FF because of heat and processing power. And now we would have 4K120p? All that hard to believe. Hope the IBIS is not true at least.

Exactly. The Tammy is the best lens I have ever used because it's so convenient, light yet super sharp and F2.8. I think having a couple of primes with super big apertures is nice like a 35mm 1.4 is always great. But for traveling, mountain use and so one having one light 2.8 standard zoom is great and enough 80% of the time. The only lens I miss is the UWA to pair it so let's say a 16-28mm f2.8 from Tamron that is also very light. That would cover 16-75 f2.8 and even 16-110mm f2.8 in video with Sony crop mode for an absolute record weight. So exciting. We need this for the Nikon and Panasonic too

One question: I have read here and there that Sony has open its lens mount but not canikon with the mirrorless. Is it also true for Nikon and Canon DSLRs? If yes it does not seem too bad (good Sigma and tamron lenses for those). We saw tamron offering a great lens for the FE. I am curious to see if there will be any difference with the same tamron for Z mount for instance. I hope not otherwise that really sucks hell. No way I pay 2200$ Lens when I get as good and lighter for 800$. That could be an immense advantage for Sony if true

True for Nikon. True for Sony in past except AF and image is good. A7SIII is soon (2019) but Nikon next Z is far. And I think A7S will improve a lot what you say (codec, colors,...). I don’t think you can say Sony protect their cine line like canon

Just one thing for me, 4K60p You are 1000% right in today’s market, but in 2019 it’s safe to assume that at least 2 FF will be 4K60 (Panasonic and Sony) and it’s also safe to assume that the Z6/Z7 won’t be updated in 2019. So it comes down again to me as : when will we get a 4K60 IBIS FF camera with good video AF? Seems like only A7S III but at what price ergonomically speaking... However probably the safest bet for the futur is Nikon. Canon is always crippling their bodies in video. Sony has tried for years they never get the ergonomics right, Panasonic is dumbly focusing on AFD, Nikon however made massive improvement in video, so massive in fact that their next FF mirrorless is 4K60 for sure. It’s just gonna take a 2nd gen. In any case this is an exciting time for photo and video. As much as I complain, I enjoyed a lot shooting with the A7III and got some crazy shots from this tiny package. Same with my Mavic, same with the GH5. I am definitely spoiled, it’s so great to have mirrorless compared to years ago...

No IBIS and way too huge and bulky. Especially when you consider 60% of my camera use is far in mountain backcountry...

Yeah.. but see my recent post in the new Z7 review post from Andrew. Provleme is that all cameras have compromise. No 4K60p with canon and Nikon no FF and no IBIS with Fuji no good AF with Panasonic... always a compromise. FF is important for me not for video but stills. I am ok having two cameras now but preferably same system like A7SIII for video and a7iii for stills. If I get Fuji for video, I have to buy let’s say a Z6 for stills and carry 2 times different lenses and learn 2 ergonomics on the go : not cool. If only Z6 had 4K60p I would have bought a Z6 + Z7 and be done with it. So my best bet will probably be A7 III and A7SIII combo... let’s see next year in the meantime I might get the Fuji for upcoming video projects and sell it next year. I am so tired to change system every year just because there is no 4k60p FF with good AF and IBIS in market...

Agree with Andrew, XT3 is fantastic with specs but lack of IBIS and FF is a pain. Canon is out of the question. Sony is late with A7SIII and they will have the usual ergonomics problems. Panasonic S fantastic but AF is such a deal breaker. Nikon got everything right except they aren’t releasing a super video camera like A7S / S1... no 4K60p... this is such a bummer. Not to mention poor lens choice but let’s say this is only going to improve with time. Again big compromises everywhere. My guess is that it’s still will be a Sony win next year for my use because the A7S will be the only one to combine 4K60 with good AF and IBIS and FF. Pana AF is a Deal Breaker so is 4K30p on Z7, so is Canon so is lack of FF and ibis with XT3. It’s a shame because the Sony’s probably the least enjoyable camera to shoot with from the above.

Not alone indeed. However, forget about Z7 mk2 coming in 3-4 years. We will get this next year for sure, with Panasonic, Sony and maybe others (canon still did not release their $3000+ Eos R, even though chances are for a FF canon mirorless doing 4K60p no crop we might have to wait 5 years )

If it is an XT3 but with IBIS it would be interesting. Then after that the A7S III will be same but FF ..

Man, try the tamron on A73 and let me know if you ever use again a 24-105 f4 on this camera. as for the “how come” : same dof yes but 2.8 gives you more light than 4 whichever sensor you use. I am not defending M43, I think it’s shit anyway. As is F4 zoom on FF

Not really. At least they got more light. F/4 is slow, and not bokelicious. And it is still heavy and big because it's FF. Really, I don't see the point of F/4 on FF. Try the 28-75mm 2.8 tamron on A7III. With video APSC crop it goes to 105mm as well, it's cheaper, better, faster, lighter. And to have equivalent DoF on M43 you would need a 14-35 F1.4 !! Which does not exist. Here you have the real advantage of FF. Not with a garbage 24-70mm F4. I would rather have a GH5 with 12-35mm 2.8 then. More light, way lighter... almost same DoF

He is the best. Was waiting for his mavic 2 video Thanks for posting.

Link?!

And? Any of this in the main cameras and cameras manufacturer ? This is an exception confirming the rule.

This is what I am talking about. When I say this japanese industry does not innovate at all. Bigger screen, ssd, integrated lightroom and direct share. This should be in our mirrorless cameras for 2 years. No they will keep the same button layout and design and screen as 10y ago. This camera will be probably niche and expensive, but bravo Zeiss.

Impressive. I have to say, with Pana coming in March and A7S III delayed over and over, I might get one until I get either the Pana or Sony. The lack of IBIS is so annoying though.

Okay so if Canon is class leading in ND adapters, I think I should be giving up too. Yes there are 2-3 areas where Canon shines such as DPAF. If All other cameras would be GH5 AF level that would be a big point. Fact is Sony, Fuji and Nikon now have fantastic video AF. They catch up quickly in the 2-3 points where Canon shines. For where Canon is behind, they are 5 years behind and they do not catch up. That's the difference and that's why it's not acceptable. It's acceptable to not be perfect in all aspects as you say no camera is perfect. Selling the R for $2200 with those extreme limitations is not acceptable for me. Even for photography only, the 5DIV/ EOS R sensor catches up with 5y old Sony sensor.