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8 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

No I don't feel threatened at all. I probably are not going to buy either one. The Sony will be too damn expensive and replaced in a year by a cheaper model that does 90% of what it does so why bother. And I don't think I like the look of the output on the PH4, at least not as of yet. But I would bet it is a better film making machine for a hell of a lot less money. And don't give me that adapter crap. Sony doesn't have a native lens worth a shit for video other than 2 Cine lenses that we would have to win the Lotto to buy, even thorough they are sort of a bargain. And any adopted Cine lens is not going to have OIS or AF in it, other than those 2 Nice Sony Cine lenses..

Sure it will be a damn good camera, but it isn't going to be as great now I think for it's intended target audience like the original A7s was. I don't need all that wiz bang stuff for video. The original BMPCC makes it look like sort of weak, and it has about 3 help aids on the whole camera  But other than low light it has a better output. Is the BMPCC a pain in the ass to use, sure. But video IS a pain in the ass no matter what you have.

This PK4 is making all these camera company's look like they are ripping our ass off on cost. And I think they are if this new A7s is 3500 bucks, and the Nikon Z7 will be just as bad, along with the new Canon high end one.. If they cost that much they had better be the best thing since sliced bread.

TLDR; we were discussing 4K 60p internal. 

With all due respect, Rob, I seriously doubt Nikon users feel threatened by the Z cameras. Not a single reviewer I know of voiced any concern over Nikon abandoning DSLR shooters. And it is not because he considers the Z cameras toys that Ken finds much to criticize - things like EVF blackout, laggy touch screen, no pins for a vertical grip, single card slot, chintzy build quality of the lenses, and so on are what bother him. And Ken is hardly the first Nikon shooter to point out some of these missed opportunities.

18 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I bet if you want 10 bit you will Need a recorder. Why even buy it. Put a Speedbooster on the PK4 and you are damn near FF for a lot less money. And I would argue a better output probably. You don't really need AF and IBIS do you. And it has push AF. You aren't that old yet are you LoL.

Fuck it with the age comments.

First of all, we’re not comparing the P4K to the a7s III, are we?

One will be a state-of-the-art hybrid camera with reliable continuous autofocus, long battery life and IBIS; the other is a cinema camera. 

And we’ve said repeatedly that you’ll most likely need an external recorder for 10-bit. 

Not a fan of adapters on mirrorless.

Why are we going so far afield? The camera may very well have 60p internal. Does anyone feel threatened by that?

6 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

So you want to Have to run around with a external recorder on a small package that would be a big ass package. Why buy a little ass camera to do that. What Gimbal you going to use doing that? A 2500 dollar Freefly MōVI M5? You have defeated the purpose of using a small package. Make it like the PK4. and you don't Need a external recorder.

And then he says it's a bullshit rumor!

C’mon, Don. Nobody will need an external recorder for 60p if rumors turn out to be correct.

12 hours ago, wolf33d said:

WOOOW

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-a7siii-to-be-announced-at-ibc-2018-on-sept-14/

We all know this site is BS but please make this real. 
"Very likely:
– New 5.6 million dot EVF
– 4k60p
– 10 bit 4:2:2 external (not internal!)
– new color science
– dual SD card slot, Z-battery, chunkier grip

Unconfirmed:
– New 24 Megapixel Quad pixel sensor"

Again, WOOW. 24mpx 4K60P with FS5II color science +5.6M dot EVF + all A7RIII improvements (including AF, battery...) + 10 bit external (well nice to have but not for me this one) is a dream come true.... The 24mpx means I do not need a A7III for stills, and it means 1.5x crop video mode with 1 button. MAKE THIS REAL.
It will be 3000/3200 like the previous one for sure but fuck that, happily paying 1K more for an A7III with better color, 4K60P, 10bit external, and better EVF. Hopefully 240fps FHD too... 

Come on Sony do not disappoint. 

@webrunner5

He says so not once, but twice.

5 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Than why even bother then. Nobody wants that in 2019 now.

I do!

And nobody knows the cost, so I’ve got no idea where the $3,500 figure came from.

@wolf33d did not say 4K 60p 10-bit 4:2:2 internal. He just said 4K 60p. In fact, he specifically noted 10-bit 4:2:2 would most likely be external only.

Ken Wheeler, rabidly anti-Sony, who’s shot with the D850 and owns a ton of Nikon glass, would unhesitatingly recommend the a7 III over the Z7. If indeed there is an echo chamber, strange that some of the harshest criticism should come from the very customers Nikon is courting - Nikon shooters.

Four days after the announcement, the a7 III is selling better than the Z6 and Z7 at Amazon. Google trends appears to confirm the a7 III is more popular than the new Nikon mirrorless cameras.

source

AFAIK all bitrates are variable.

You can shoot HLG 400Mbps 10-bit 4:2:2, just not in HEVC.

4 minutes ago, Amazeballs said:

Can someone explain to me how to turn on HLG 4.2.2 and something over 72 mbps? I can see only option for 72 mbps 4.2.0 10 bit 30 and 24 fps when I choose HEVC codec on GH5. 

There isn’t a higher bitrate in HEVC.

46 minutes ago, Turboguard said:

The balloons footage looks great, but the gimbal stuff makes me want to vomit. I'd rather have micro jitter than those floating to hard stop movements. 

There's a lot of chromatic grain though. Wonder what ISO it was shot at... Anyway, it looks amazing, and it seems like the shutter was actually set to a good angle compared to the "models" shot (which was way too sharp). Liking it so far, both nature and balloons are making me super excited!

 

They should let me play with it in NYC and get some street cinematography! I do all my work handheld with monopod, and I like the look of it. 

I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but when you criticize somebody's work then immediately follow up with 'they should let me...', it almost sounds as though you're boasting that you could do better....

17 minutes ago, Turboguard said:

There's a lot of chromatic grain though. Wonder what ISO it was shot at... Anyway, it looks amazing, and it seems like the shutter was actually set to a good angle compared to the "models" shot (which was way too sharp). 

Are you saying John Brawley’s video wasn’t shot with 180 degree shutter angle? What is a good shutter angle to shoot at, in your opinion?

Zeiss has taken down the the teaser from their official web page.

6 hours ago, Django said:

Sony sort of have to go 10-bit on A7S3 or I just don't see what that model has to bring to the table vs A73. Keep in mind though, it will probably still cost +$3K and have very low MP count. It's a speciality camera, not really an all-rounder.

Rumor sites are saying new 24 megapixel quad pixel sensor. Possibly announced at IBC in two weeks.

I’m guessing there’s nothing in it. Blackmagic is lens agnostic.

Well, the a7s III is rumored (SR3) to have 10-bit, so even if I didn’t think 10-bit external is overhyped, I wouldn’t jump ship just yet.

My god those Nikon S lenses look like cheap-ass kit lenses too. And that $6,000 Noct trophy that not a single one of us can afford? Voigtlander E-mount lenses cost 1/6 the price and compare favorably to Zeiss Otus. And no, Voigtlander didn’t ‘give the finger’ to anybody - they just go about quietly doing what they do better than just about anyone else in the business  - designing some of the world’s most distinguished mechanical lenses with unique parameters at affordable prices. Even on micro four thirds, depth of field at f/.95 is too shallow as far as I’m concerned. Shooting portraits on full frame without eye AF, you’ll be lucky to get one out of five shots in focus! ? 

At the a7 III launch, acclaim was nearly universal, whereas the Z cameras have been met with everything from indifference to disappointment to anger - even among hardcore longtime Nikon users and vehemently anti-Sony photographers. 

Here's another beta version, skin tones not quite so warm.

It's an extremely rare occurrence. 

Lately, I've been cheating the 180 degree rule quite a bit, makes no difference to me! Just not for moving subjects. I just posted a beta LUT test where I used practically every shutter angle available. It can work for interviews as well, provided the interviewees aren't jumping up and down and doing somersaults. Anything to avoid ND filters!

Here’s a beta test of Leeming LUT One v801. It has greater dynamic range than earlier versions.

Love those Olympus Pros, too!

Seeing Mark Wyatt’s and John Brawley’s work back-to-back in the space of two days - it just doesn’t get much better than that. Skin tones - absolutely gorgeous; dynamic range and highlight roll off - check!; shadows clean as a whistle - check! This P4K is the real deal, folks, not some marketing BS. 

1 hour ago, CaptainHook said:

“I don’t think people realize how easy it is to make things look cinematic with Micro Four Thirds! [...]”

John sure makes it look easy. And Blackmagic is killing it.

@seanzzxx You'll want to expose to the right.