Dan Wake

can it record in 1080p RAW? thanks

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I have done a school and I have done two works (I shot a little short and I did a video art project for a friend). My experience is not zero but close to 1. I hope that getting a 7D could be a nice experience to do exercises with my future and present light equipment. 

I follow Deakins forum hoping to understand how to light a scene as cinematographer. I just want to know if this "lighting exercise" have a sense to do with h264 or it must be done in raw: dynamic range is dramatically improved in raw and light is captured in a totally different way.

does anyone of you works as cinematographer with raw cameras and can give to me any advice please? thx

Personally, I think if you want RAW in a Canon get the 5D MKiii cos that does it without all the caveats (aside from huge storage requirements). If H264 is fine the 600D and VAF filter is awesome. The 7D is an old camera with a shit screen, no crop video mode and so on so I'm not a fan of it.

 

If you're up for fooling around to get aliased raw or non-alisaed raw with a tiny sensor crop (kinda defeating the point of shooting with a large sensor slr in the first place) then go crazy with the 7D! Stick a VAF 7D in it and perhaps it's better though! But that's more expense...

 

You can do a lot without raw, remember 5Dii footage is still all over the place. Don't kill yourself for it ;)

but the problem is that mine would be not a 5DII footage, it would be a 600D footage. Can I do a lot also with a 600D?

What I want to do?

I wish to learn about how to direct photography, using lights (read heads, arri, bouncing lights), I wish to direct shorts soon, and make spots. 

I do not see very well the Sony RX100 on the Sachtler ACE.... eheheh

You should really read through the thread at magic lantern to get the idea. In non crop mode, the aliasing and moire are as bad as in h264 or even worse because raw is a lot sharper, therfore more noticable. But you can fix it in many ways. You can avoid it by filming with lot of blurred backgrounds, buy an VAF filter for the 7D, or just deal with it in post (it works to some degree).

 

In crop mode there is no moire, but keep in mind crop mode has a 4x crop factor when compared to a full frame camera. (2.5x compared to aps-c canon)

 

thanks but sorry I have not understand what the meaning of the graph. 

about the VAF filter have it been already tested when shooting RAW? does it works for sure with this?

I know that in h.264 VAF works in 1920x1080 but it does not work in 1280x720. If I'm not wrong.

RAW shooting is not 1920x1080 so I wonder to know if it has already been tested by someone.

1920x1080p H264 is up-sampled by the camera... Raw is much more detailed and sharper, even with the 'lesser' resolution.

This is what I wanted to add too. As mpeg4 (H.264) VDSLR the 7D never was near FullHD. Not an unpleasant image, but very soft (many said muddy), and where not soft, quickly showing moire. Nevertheless, some great TV docs have been shot with the 7D, but other EOS DSLRs seem to be better for that.

1920x1080p H264 is up-sampled by the camera means that the "true resolution" is?

do you mean that h264 1920x1080p is sub HD but upscaled at 1920x1080p? I want not buy one of this cameras if this is true, can you explain it better? thanks.

thx

About the 3x zoom without aliasting, you can do that on the 7D but only in raw (maybe also h264 but can't guarantee that). It was 30fps only but maybe they already fixed that.

Personally I would go with the 7D, raw is amazing.

I know that 7D is 1729x972 RAW. this is a sub hd output and I do not know if it useful for professional use.

but RAW have better detail than h264.do you believe that 1729x972 RAW upscaled to 1920 is better than a native 1920x(X valor) in h264 native? or the image is less sharper, blurred?

thx for help.

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please can you tell me wich is the max ISO usable for 7D (for professional use) and wich is for 600D? It's ok also the magic lantern ISO if it improves the image quality (I wish to install it).

Can we rec 1.6x crop with 3:2 or 4:3 in h264 (non raw)? thanks

it's photography but could be in topic anyway: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesyeung/

look at exif, bye! :)

Check out Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, it has a bunch of tracking telephoto shots.

 

 

Thank you I'm going to watch it, I didn't know it. Maybe we could speak a little bit after. I will take some note while watching it so maybe we can discuss a little bit about his cinematography. 

Thank you again,

Dan

If possible I wish to see some examples of scenes taken at 135mm focal length from movies, shorts, whatsoever where you recognize to have seen or read, listened talking, etc, etc... some. just that  were shooted at 135mm and we can comment about it.

Also I wish to ask to you where would be the common use in the grammar language of the cinematographer to use the 135mm? for what kind "scene", from wich distance from the subject would they prefer to use this focal length? thx if it's possible to learn about it! :)

Yes the wish "I wish to go wider" could be a problem also for me! :) I really do not know what to do. Actually the olny voice I trust is "spend very little money". 

Is the 3x zoom of the 600D really usable for quality? Does it have more noise or something like this?

Also the VAF. $295 wow. it's very expensive. Today I can find a 550D body for about 200 euros (rare but it's a possibility). It's more than the camera.

The best solution would be a nice tutorial. A nice tutorial to learn about removing aliasing with some kind of special technique, for example some kind of advanced masking, I do not know. Do you belive guys would be possible with some artifice? I'll try some experiment with my 550D footage.... I have some idea. I need to see if it works. I need to use After Effects. I promise, if I'll be successful I'll do a little tutorial! :)

Editing raw footage with 4gb of ram will be interesting. You should be able to cache a couple of frames at time.

how much ram do I need to make it works good? thanks :)

How much footage do you plan to shoot? Raw is 12 minutes per 64GB card, so you will need to be apt at dealing with the data and have time for the workflow.

 

However the cameras that do raw in your price range all have moire (50D, 7D, Blackmagic).

 

If you already have a 7D, raw is worth experimenting with. Big leap in image quality over the factory settings, and the moire is much less severe, but if you need no moire at all then the GH2 or G6 are the best options and significantly cheaper than other cameras.

 

The GH3 has hardly any moire but still slightly more than the GH2 and G6. The sensor downsampling creates moire but the use a low pass filter on the output to minimise it. It has less aliasing than the GH2 and G6.

 

What lenses do you plan to use?

I should use it also for cinema. For the lenses I do not know very well (maybe samyang 35 when I will have enough money :) ). 

Can I ask to you please if eventually my PC could be ok to operate in RAW with a Canon camera (with ML) or with a Black Magic one?

I have a notebook with i5 2,53 GHz

GPU is ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 so no CUDA for me

4 GB DDR3

USB 2.0

External HDD 500gb (USB 3.0 but my PC read it at 2.0)

I can buy a 2 tera HDD if needed. 

I really wish the best video quality, and take all the time that I need from one "take" to another. :) I really wish to work without the timer cowntdown behind my neck.

For other works that needs speed of time like video improvisations in artistic performances I wish to use the native codec of the DSLR. They can be 30 mitues/more long and I cannot stop the performance to save/transfer the data in my PC.

Thanks for help Eos! :)

p.s. 7D and 550D were not mine. I have not bought a personal camera yet. 

Why do you need raw?

If it's true, but I do not know for sure, raw gives less overexposure thanks something like a high dynamic range of curves (but I do not know well what it is and how it works exactly). Is it like that? And If I I have understand well, gives less artifacts in post production during color grading. 

What I really need is no aliasing at all. This morning I woke up ad I've seen the final work of my new rendering processed done during the night, and aliasing is very high in my new work (that cloth...). I have done my job with Denoiser II (fine settings chrome offsets), and with color grading (saturation is almost zero). But it still there, and heavy. I do not know plug ins done only for that problem, do they exist?

Thanks again for help! :) 

Sadly no! 

 

You'll probably want to look at either the Nikon d5200 or the Panasonic GH3. Tons of reviews of those on this site. 

Nilon D5200 have no manual white balance and I need it. 

GH3 is a little mistery for me. Does it have fine white balance regulation? I do not like that is not APS-C because of the crop factor. Does it have hack firmware and RAW shooting? Is good at high ISO during night videos?

Also it is expansive and it feels bad that the Black Magic Pocket Camera is much more affordable.

About the Black Magic Pocket Camera I asked about aliasing and this guy (who made the video) said that have some of it.

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I asked here:

Source is trough the comments of this video

https://vimeo.com/70676876

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Thanks.

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What about Canon 50D + Magic Lantern? Is true that with ML have no moire and aliasing at all? I know that have no audio recording, but that would not be a problem. At the moment I have a Zoom H4n. 

Thanks again for help. This is my very last ace in the hole at the moment! 

what exactly are you shooting at night. Short films? Documentaries? Cats?

 

C100 is a great option for night shooting and no aliasing. 5D is also great at those and the raw hack is available. 

 

Blackmagic is not great in low light, and has a bit of moire here and there

thaks for options but the C100 is so much expensive for me today, and even the 5D unfortunately.

is there no option under the 5DMIII price? :)

In this moment I'm editing a video that I did with a 550D. The major issues that I can see and I'm not able to correct is aliasing. Is very bad. In the background of the set, behind actors, there is a very large cloth. that coth is the fair of the Aliasing. I can see rainbow floating over the cloth surface and forming big colored waves. 

I do not want to shoot around having fear of "evil cloths"

Open only if you are +18

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I want to feel free if I shoot during day or night without thinking about what people dress. what cloth is in background in a theater set. etc, etc...

for example last month we made ​​a short film with a 7d. in a scene of the movie there was a book placed on a desk. the book shown a very colorful aliasing.

I need to shoot for narrative (I study to be a cinema director/sound designer), docs, and even for reward work (that can be done in the evening and duing the night). I'm starting now to be honest, but I wish to have a camera that can be mine without the need to be replaced by another camera very soon.

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does exist some plug in for premiere that fix aliasing? 

thanks for help! :)

hello to anyone, considering also hack firmware, and Vaf filters or any other solution. wich is today the best solution for shooting video with: no aliasing/moire and very good night shooting? today there is another factor wich is RAW, this also could be considerate for the answer please. 

thanks for your advices have a nice weekend! :)

p.s. another factor that could be considerated is 2K resolution.

does it suffer from Aliasing and Moire? thanks

cant unlock the one second limit with some hack?

I'm really new on this forum and I'm going to buy and study the Andrew's Guide very soon, I'll do it with great pleasure. I wish to ask something if it is possible. I'm going to buy now my first kit, I study at school to become  cinematographer but I use theyr equpment... So it'is time for me to buy my personal tools. I will buy the canon 600d wich is a 1.6x crop sensor. I will buy it used because I belive that the most important thinks are the lenses. So I wish to buy some Samyang lenses, that have a very nice quality but most important, they works also on full frame. What I want to say is that I want a cheap used DSLR body, but a good lens that I will bring also on full frame one day (when I will have the right money). The question is, does exist some model of anamorphic lens that should I look for, that would be good for 1.6x crop sensor, and also one day for a new full frame DSLR? (I'm really sorry for my bad english). p.s. My intent is to have a nice aspect ratio -but- not the Steven Segal Letterbox 2000!? Or maybe yes? I'm not sure about this... XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82j_Qfp_VA