Andrew Reid

  Nobody wants to read that shit. You have PM.

  The Cinema EOS line would not suffer. Which pro with $$$$$ to spend needs a hack? They need reliability. They need ergonomics. They need standardisation. Image quality is important but only one factor. Canon are wrong if they think DSLR video will cannibalise their C300 and C500. Maybe the 1D C would suffer... But I can't see someone like Philip Bloom selling his C300 and going back to a DSLR + Magic Lantern just for image quality.   For the creative bandits like us who just want world beating image quality and are willing to be brave, the hack is perfect.

I don't see how they can intervene other than encrypt firmware on new bodies leaving the factory and even then they shouldn't, because if this raw video hack takes off sales of 5Ds will go THROUGH THE ROOF.   Indeed what is the point of the 1D C I have asked myself that many times!!

The image is processed before it gets to the HDMI port so unlikely to get the raw feed off the camera that way without dramatic changes to the way HDMI works.   I think it is more likely we'll see a crop mode of some kind first, at lower resolutions, written as DNG frames to a fast CF card. But I'm speculating there. We'll just have to see what Magic Lantern comes up with. Exciting times indeed.

Wild Ranger - that's the million dollar question. Nobody knows yet.   Here's a 3.5k sample frame I just shot in silent stills burst mode at 30fps...   http://www.eoshd.com/uploads/ml/56420194.DNG.zip   You should be able to open it with Photoshop if your Adobe camera raw is up to date.   Image quality is stunning, no signs of moire. I think it looks like a 1:1 crop of the sensor. It isn't the full frame, more like a 1.3x crop horizontally and a much more severe crop vertically.

I could do, it works just like the Nikon V1 burst mode.   Just need to transfer Magic Lantern to one of my faster 1000x cards as only getting 15 frames per burst on the 600x card.   The End Trigger mode is interesting - this appears to capture endlessly until you let go of the shutter release, then it writes the last few frames to the card.   BTW - with getting 3592 x 1320 raw burst with a certain combination of settings - is this documented normal behaviour?

Download sample 2K DNG file and see the image quality for your own eyes! Recently Magic Lantern had the breakthrough discovery of beautiful pin sharp 2K sensor feed in raw format on the 5D Mark II and 5D Mark III. This completely turns our understanding of DSLR video image quality on its head. Canon claimed the 5D Mark II line skipped on the sensor to produce video. I don't understand how that can possibly be the case. [url=http://www.eoshd.com/content/10250/canon-5d-2k-raw-feed-update-1920x720-possible-on-1000x-card]Read the full article here[/url]

Ah yes Joel, the guy who has been sending me abusive emails for the past 3 weeks.

  If one fell in my lap I'd be more willing to put up with the sheer travesty of $12,000 as well.

  The CF card I used in the 1D C does 150MB/s so not far off, but the write speeds are probably a lot lower than that.   Alex of Magic Lantern says he has got burst mode working - it can write 30 frames in 1 second at whatever the live-view FPS is (24-50fps) but flushing the buffer to the card takes half a minute for those 30 frames!   So yes it is a bit like the Nikon V1 burst mode.   In continuous mode the FPS is much lower. I've heard various reports between 4fps and 14fps.   For video I think the 2K would need to be cropped significantly (720p or pseudo 2x anamorphic 2048x540) or compressed. The internal processor might not be able to handle the data rate at 24fps even if the sensor can output that fast.   In Alex's latest update he seems quite pessimistic on the chances of raw video:   Don't hold your breath for raw video. 24fps at 1080p is unlikely IMO, even on 1000x cards. - HDMI out doesn't help. Here's why: raw image buffer vs recorded with hyperdeck shuttle uncompressed. Ignore the overlays. - In continuous mode I've got 4fps of raw data (not DNG, just the raw image buffer) on a 266x card. G3gg0 got 12.5fps of YUV422 video on the Lexar 1000x card. - I was able to record around 30 frames in burst mode, at LiveView FPS (24, 25, 30, 50, whatever). It takes roughly 1 second of "recording" to RAM and then half a minute of saving the DNGs to card.

  I don't know. I've lost interest in it as you may as well just use the internal IPB codec and save the hassle.

  So it is the camera not the recorder. Good to know.

  It isn't about 'Canon bashing' at all, it is about making an informed decision on a $12,000 camera.   If you don't like the bad news, using that straw man argument of being creative with a camera is as relevant as talking about camera technical capabilities on an actor's forum.

Yes of course it does! See latest blog post here http://www.eoshd.com/content/10233/5d-mark-iii-uncompressed-hdmi-sample-footage

  SD cards already do 120MB/s.   http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Speed-Professional-120MB-Memory/dp/B005026D7C   Magic Lantern say they are hopeful of 24fps, that is the source. Nobody knows for sure yet if it will be possible because it is still early days.

Fixed. The Dropbox link was pulled.

ROD! Sorry it's late in Berlin and been a crazy few hours :)

Updated the article, there's a mirroring option which allows the LCD to stay on whilst outputting to a recorder so you don't actually need a monitor.

Tester Luke Neumann says he is getting 10fps raw from the 5D Mark III onto an SD card for 1-2 seconds but the Magic Lantern team seem very hopeful that with further development they will eventually get 24fps for much longer run times, and it is very early days in the development yet.   Pretty amazing stuff...   I have access to a nightly build of the firmware and will be testing it out.   Luke is going to post sample footage soon.

  Good to know Rob. I've updated the article.

I missed the Mirroring option in my first bunch of tests. So does it avoid the need to press Info multiple times when you turn the camera on to get a clean HDMI image?

The raw is debayered. They added a DNG encoder as well. They just need to dump it from buffer to card. I say just. It is probably very complex.

  I felt the ergonomics of the C100 were better than my FS100 but missed the E-mount, Speed Booster and 1080/60p. It felt smaller and more like a DSLR than I had expected. However there are too many buttons and not enough dials. To search for that ISO button then use that horribly small joystick on the handgrip, and to use that el cheapo wheel on the handgrip for other important stuff like aperture really threw me at first. The ND dial is also very cheap feeling considering the price of the camera. I felt the image was good but not very exciting and not a big enough leap from cameras like the FS100 or GH3 to justify the extra investment.   I toyed for a bit with selling my FS100 and replacing it with a C100 as I do like the built in ND and feel of the camera but then I don't think I'll be shooting with either once the Blackmagic Production Camera comes out.

  I think there's some substance in this theory.   1080p has been dragged out for so long now and there's no way a camera like the 5D Mark III needs to cost as much as it does, let alone the 1D C.   I am sure Canon have great stuff in the pipeline. How much more crap do we have to buy before they give it us...   I want to shoot good images now not in 5 years.

  Slightly unfair to ask for a green screen test considering the firmware has only been out for 3 hours!