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Virtually any camera released in the last 10 years, if used with care and consideration, will look good. And ten years from now the GH5 will still be able to generate lovely images, assuming there are some still out there that work! The pace in which people upgrade cameras is crazy to me, it just seems pointless and wasteful. --- I forgot to add, the Craterr video information makes me think that it might be related to several "creators" switching to Lumix recently. Armando and Cam are two of them who've switched and become VERY PRO Lumix, so it certainly makes me go "hmm." As much as I love Lumix and believe they are absolute powerhouses, it was and is very suspicious how many people were suddenly making the switch.

Facts. Still some gems out there. I still love Nigel Barros’ content and he has a second channel now haha (side-note, pretty funny how good the gh5 looks given many YouTubers dismiss it now lol. I’m realizing that a good 60% of the reason modern cameras seem to look so much better than cameras from 2014-2018 is because the skills of those reviewing cameras has gotten so much better. Nigel’s footage looks amazing. Obviously, there are absolutely valid reasons to upgrade still. But I’m realizing image quality is not as bad as I’m tempted to think on older cameras)

I normally like Justin, and agree with most of what he said in his video, but reading those comments from both of them, I feel embarrassed for both. Justin should have stuck to the higher ground instead of resorting to homophobia.

Meanwhile, I'm over here starting my own personal beef with PetaPixel. They posted some breathy review of how great it was to make a music video in only one night using Midjourney and I basically said they should stick to photo/video stuff for humans instead of posting about shitty AI slop. The author wrote back saying it was a "complicated" subject. And now they deleted both of my responses to that - the first, OK, maybe because I wasn't very nice. But in the second, I got more polite and pointed out that with current AI models, 5 seconds of video uses as much power as running a microwave for an hour - so his nearly 4 minute video was like running a microwave for nearly 2 straight days - and that's enough electricity to power an average household in the US for about 2 1/2 days, especially since it's unlikely that he used 100% of the clips that he generated, adding to the amount of wasted power. Deleted again. I guess, though, it's a good thing since it was the final straw in pulling their feed from my news reader (only so many clearly-sponsored (but not disclosed) positive reviews of shitty plastic film cameras that I can watch) and unsubscribing from the YouTube which has become an increasingly formulaic slog of Chris and Jordan reviewing products that they clearly don't give a shit about - and the weekly podcast where they act like smug celebrities, even though 99.9999% of people neither care who they are nor care about anything they've said. Good encouragement also to fill out my YouTube subscriptions with some smaller creators who actually seem interested in what they do.

I'm not sure about the start, but those two videos seem to be a response to this pissing match on another one of Justin's videos. It is really funny to see Cam spazzing and claiming he wasn't paid for videos when he got thousands of dollars in free gear as well as the views/revenue that come from day 1 launch as well as the associated affiliate marketing revenue. I also hadn't heard of Craterr before. Sounds like a real 💩 of a platform, designed to make YouTube reviews even more insufferable.

Auto focus adapters stacking - now you can use Sony and Minolta A mount lenses on Nikon Z bodies with auto focus https://nikonrumors.com/2025/06/16/megadap-to-release-a-new-etz21-pro-lens-adapter.aspx/ This Boryoza adapter claims compatibility with Sony LA-EA5 and TECHART LM-EA9 https://www.ebay.com/itm/286366368166?_skw=BORYOZA&itmmeta=01JYT46VRXBY4FAGD5NCK30AG9&hash=item42acc401a6:g:KDEAAOSwhPxnwDMQ&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAAwFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dFj0mM6EhbKtm2lYZj5jubCkvL5au4XyCXT1PLIS%2FzhkgvvlkkxknBA%2FAZxa%2Fos4mvQSNLijTgKGBUPQ%2FVLodAnXLzlRTI2NyMDwEvsQfnatF1MapHjnn2UmaTU6beK4uTVHEKe5mWm3R2p%2BQ3%2BuEAMx0Tbe9TkLihPa3aLELvcn556rDTHU%2F6NuyQGV1Xxwz1XbjxvHGpqruu1RViXDGi5otoYXZO5BB%2Beeg2Bqm8TA%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR868m8T2ZQ Those adapters fit perfectly my strategy to have both a Sony and a Nikon camera but use mostly Sony lenses. Now this can be extended to some vintage auto focus lenses too. Cool. Sony LA-EA5 is mostly for photos One negative about Nikon Z cameras is lack of 3rd wheel in the back. According to a review I watched recently you can't reassign some of the other 2 wheels for ISO change. Changing ISO manually is not that easy compared to cameras that have a 3rd wheel.

Yeppp. I love Justin Philip BTW. But yeah these youtubers deserve it lol. The YT camera community is so toxic.

I'd argue that this kind of testing is actually necessary to understand how things behave. Over the years I have tested a lot of things and it's amazing how many things that "everyone knows" do not stand up in even the most basic tests, but continue to be myths because no-one bothers to even look. Aristotle claimed that women have fewer teeth than men, which is not true, but he obviously never actually looked to see if he was right - despite being married multiple times where he could easily have tested his claim at any time. No, not mixed up, but the 12-35mm has a shallower DOF and so you have to know where in the image to look to compare sharp details in the focal plane. This is the unsharpened cropped image: This is the 12-35mm image: This is the sharpened cropped image: The sharpening is perhaps a little over-correcting, but the thin edges are still slightly blurred in comparison to the proper image from the 12-35mm. This is where it is important to know how to read the results of a test. This comparison of the zoom to the crop matched FOV but not DOF, and while I probably could have zoomed in using the 12-35mm and also stopped down at the same time to keep DOF the same, the lens sharpness would have been reduced so it wouldn't have been a fair test. To get around that I should have tested using a flat surface like a resolution chart or a brick wall. The problem with going that route is that now we're no longer testing anything close to real-life, and no longer answering questions about what will and won't work in real shooting. The test wasn't "what percentage of resolving power is lost using the CrZ function?"... it was "is the CrZ function usable for shooting with cropped lenses?". Realistically I shouldn't have included the 12-35mm optical zooms at all, I should have just cropped in using the CrZ function and left the images to be judged on their own merits in isolation, the same way that any project shot using the CrZ function would be. This is the danger of pixel-peeing - it distracts from the only thing that actually matters - the image. The cosmicar really is a gem! There's a reason that cinematographers have relentlessly driven up the price of vintage lenses over the last decades, and why modern lens manufacturers are designing and releasing brand new lenses with vintage looks, and manufacturers are even creating new mechanisms to control the amount and type of vintage looks with custom de-tuning functions.

Look at that monster! 😉 I don't have one handy to check it, but I suspect it wouldn't fill the "see skin around every edge when in my hand" test. If Panny wants to just shove those guts into the smaller body, I'm in.

I don't know what this was all in response to, but it's entertaining (and interesting) none the less

GX line supports its elegent GM silbings, so both to be continued in 10bit alterations of their predecessors.:) @eatstoomuchjam

Another fun loving fellow having fun using this camera. I put subtitles on for second viewing.:) Still goofy.

That's fair enough - but I don't need the entire world! Even if the camera is flimsy, I'll take it! For the screen, as long as it's good enough to get frame and focus, I'm willing to make a trade-off for an ultra-portable camera. I love the DJI Pocket 3 and its screen is teeny tiny. I'd love something like that, but with at least a m43 sensor and with swappable lenses. They could even use the same screen for all I care!

Definitely agree on this point. Good option if you’re buying a super specific ultra-cheap cam like the EOS M and have super limited funds, but I totally get that it’s not really worthwhile for a working pro. I mean, the R50V’s existence makes a lot of other cameras in the $300-700 price range a hard sell lol.

https://www.t3.com/tech/drones/dji-mini-5-pro-is-rumoured-to-get-lidar-a-bigger-camera-and-a-surprise-release-date Coming soon here at my end too... ;- )

40mil CZJ 16mm lens and GX85, jpeg from raw file. A 40mil S16 lens would have covered the sensor without vignetting I am sure. But despite it's vignette I love the image I am getting out of this, super sharp in the centre and great colors in the raw files. It's tiny and pretty looking on my GX85.

I will be happy to use it on my Eos M hopefully or with my two Dslrs. I just like the fact that Magic Lantern is around. What is your favorite personal camera for video and photo? @stephen I like too many cameras but GX85 would be my recent pick. I enjoyed my Bmpcc last summer and the one before, the latter not for stills of course though I wouldnt mind to print out some 1080p stills enlarged for A4 format. My S1H did the occasional video and photo gig but is collecting dust at the moment.

It does of course. Resolution of the screen is low - 720x480 and it doesn't tilt. You are forced to lift 1-1.5 kg in front of your eyes and need also a LCD shade/magnifier for those sunny days. EOS M is much lighter. It is quite difficult and limiting to shoot this way and get stable footage and consistent results. I always preferred using it with an external monitor. It took me quite a lot of time to understand the simple true that my time on this earth is limited and time in general is much more valuable resource than the 1000$ difference between 5D Mark III and a decent modern camera. Agree with Al that ML is for people who like to tinker. I enjoyed doing this myself as well but now regret the wasted time. Even if they add a new camera are you willing to go through cycles of tries and errors and inevitable failures testing the hacked firmware ? I for sure am not.

Last and third last are my favorites! @kye The Canon nFD 28mm F2.8 would be my pick of a best bang for buck lens. I have posted about a couple times here and it is not a mystery lens by any means but it's still sort of an undertestimted lens imo. I bought mine ten years ago for 20EU and last time I checked, they still went for around 30EU. My sample is almost as high resolving wide open on a China speedbooster as my 20mm F1.7 at 2m distance. It still has a creamy and very pleasing look and looks also fantastic on my S1H. Perfect lens for mft, S35 and FF sensor gates.

From what I've seen and comparing to my own 10bit footage, Magic Lantern Raw on Eos M and 5DII/ III looks magical under natural light despite less dynamic range and much less resolution. So I am exited about any news from ML. I am referring to the pure joy for the image. It is not an observation in regards to full time content production. No, no, no! @eatstoomuchjam No 10bit GM5 flimsyness but a solid and small 10bit GX85 body. Thank you, Panasonic!:) GM5 feels hollow and viewfinder is very tiny. Sorry, but no! 10bit GX, yes please.:) @stephenDoesn't the 5DIII allow liveview on the screen, just like the EOS M?

You could do a similar testing like kye for banana leaves and textures in low light, when you enter your neighbor's garden at night.😊

Thanks a lot! That's some seriously extensive testing and great review! @kye 2x crop looks great. One thing caught my critical eye:) The 2.08x on your second setup looks to be higher resolving than the 25mm focal length on the 12-35. First setup with the darker exposure looks like to be expected. Did the stills get mixed up for the second setup? Anyway, downsampled 2.7K for 1080p is awesome for 2/3" lovers or for using a prime with an internal 2x tc. Great news. Thank you very much for your tests, findings and great effort! By the way, your Cosmicar looks like it is outperforming the 12-35 for 1.4x and 1.5x gate. Impressive.

On an unrelated note, aren't banana trees some of the prettiest trees there are? The shape of the leaves and the way they move in the wind is just an attractive thing. I have a friend who once sailed the South Pacific. He said when they would be at sea for days and would approach an island with banana groves that it was such a beautiful sight. I'm in the only place in Canada warm enough to grow them ( and just barely too) so people plant them as decoration a lot.

I think that some of the comments here are missing the point. I think that it's unlikely at best that most members of this forum are going to see this announcement, throw away their modern mirrorless camera, and run out and buy a 200D/Rebel SL2 to put ML on it. On the other hand, there are hundreds or thousands of 200D's floating around in the world. That line was pretty popular for beginning photographers at the time. I never owned one, but if I did and it was still sitting around the house, I'd absolutely be digging it out right now and trying out ML on it. Why not? The exception to that, for me, is if they add support for actual 4K raw (not the weird upsampled stuff that can be done on the EOS M) on one of the newer EOS M bodies, especially one of the teeny tiny ones. I'd totally spend $300 for a body and $20 for an EOS M to Leica M adapter to play with that. A cute little M200 with a 35 'cron could be a lot of fun (I know they're closer to $500 in general on the used market, but with some patience and "make an offer" on ebay, I bet I could find one for less - ain't nobody buying 'em and someone's gonna wanna get theirs off the shelf (and no way that camera's worth $500, come on)). Or if the 4K stays cropped with ML, even better - an M200 with some of my vintage C mounts would be even smaller and cuter. Similarly, I'd be just as excited if Panasonic released an updated GM5 with 4k and 10-bit (throw in external raw and I'll be even happier). I want a SMALL camera, like not "I guess this is about 10-15% smaller than my R5, but much less capable" small - but tiny. Like sits next to my RX100 V or ZV-1 and looks about the same small. Like, I put the camera on my open hand and I can see skin around every edge of the camera (exception possible for a small EVF bump).

I feel similar mostly. If the new team can successfully and stably move it to the new Canons that is one thing but nowadays, with ML at its current level of capability/compatibility I see it as great for those who are way short on funds but way long on free time, or are just tinkerers in general, but anyone whose priority is actual shooting instead of fiddling/tinkering is much better off just grabbing a used GH5, S5, S1 etc for well under $1K and getting to it.