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12 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

50 people get mowed down by guns: now is not the time to talk about politics. 

Global pandemic happens, made worse by an incompetent President and administration: now is not the time to talk about politics. 

🤷🏻‍♂️

It is IMPOSSIBLE to confront and find solutions without understanding what causes the problem to begin with. Your political beliefs are your political beliefs, but they don't mean a. That you must support or defend someone because they're "on your side", and b. You don't get to pull the "let's not make this political" card when the situation is inconvenient for you. 

What citation is not convenient for me? We can talk politics all night.

This citation is about helping people and doing the right thing. I know you think the right thing is telling everyone how Donald is failing but that's not the right thing to do right now.

Tell us oh wise one how did we get in this citation?   A) China fucked up and let this happen B) China fucked up and let this happen and lied about it C) China let infected people travel around the world knowing they shouldn't have, thus infecting the entire globe.  D) Italy,  the U.S and the rest of the world weren't ready because everyone has open boarders and did not see any of this coming E) A,B and C

7 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

50 people get mowed down by guns: now is not the time to talk about politics. 

Global pandemic happens, made worse by an incompetent President and administration: now is not the time to talk about politics. 

🤷🏻‍♂️

It is IMPOSSIBLE to confront and find solutions without understanding what causes the problem to begin with. Your political beliefs are your political beliefs, but they don't mean a. That you must support or defend someone because they're "on your side", and b. You don't get to pull the "let's not make this political" card when the situation is inconvenient for you. 

How did he make it worse? What should he have done different that the CDC told him to do?   The is 'the it' that he should have done and we're in "it'. 

Do you really think anyone should have done what CNN nut cases said to do?  oh, wait they didn't have an answer all they did was say we weren't ready and he wasn't ready.

1 minute ago, KnightsFan said:

China flattened out because they took extraordinary measures, and leveraged mass surveillance tools along with a swift lockdown and massive ramping up of available beds. They effectively limited their outbreak to Wuhan. It is unrealistic to expect the same results as China if we do not put as much economic and social effort into containment as China did.

So my point with the numbers is that if we do nothing, a lot of people will die, roughly in an exponential pattern. Expecting a linear 15 cases per day given our current efforts is not realistic. If we do nothing, then we will certainly run out of hospital beds, which will both increase coronavirus deaths, and other deaths as @fuzzynormal pointed out due to medical resources being taken up. The 97% of victims who don't die will still lose work, some will require expensive medical care, and both of those factors will strain our economy for the next few years at least. A number of people here are losing gigs.

We need to work to limit the spread in order to keep our numbers as low as you are predicting (and that we all hope for). If we manage to pull through with just a few thousand deaths, it will be because we as a society took active measures to stop the spread. It's certainly possible but it will take effort.

I agree with everything you side above.  The U.S. is a few steps from a lock-down. Aid for lost jobs and wages are coming.  What i don't like is we don't have mask and other items we need but we are about to be locked down for 2-3 weeks anyway.

3 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

That's cool.  Free country so good for you!

Curious though, do you think evangelicals respect science as much as people that are not evangelicals?

Why do you call Christians, evangelicals?

5 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

"Not the time to talk politics" seems to happen often when the GOP is forced to pivot and adapt to reality.

Not you really can't get politics out of your head.  I've been saying this since I posted on this thread.  This is a pantomimic and not time for politics about which side you like or who you dislike.

I's sad you just can't stop blaming the other side.  That side is the side you didn't vote for and the side you hate. That has nothing to do with me.

2 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Yes, I agree that people were stirring up fear about how unprepared the GOP was because the POTUS was saying stuff that was stirring up fear about how unprepared the GOP was.

The evangelicals running the creation museum down the street flying their TRUMP 2020 flag would like to have a word.

"Not the time to talk politics" seems to happen often when the GOP is forced to pivot and adapt to reality. 

Anyway, I stand by my statement, even though I'm not practicing it at the moment, that hopefully the rhetoric will wind-down a bit and be tempered in the "new normal" in the aftermath of all this.

You left out this part:

"One side says climate change isn't that they say and the other side destroys unborn fetus or baby."

Science says a fetus is alive and one side tries to say it's not true.  Where's your science now?

I need to read back a few pages but did I miss the part about "which mask" were the ones that protected us the most? or what other countries are actually doing to stop the spread.

I'm an American born and raised, I believe Jesus Christ died for our sins and I will vote for whoever I want.

14 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Says a guy sitting on the toilet. 😉  I kid!  I kid!  Don't take that joke too seriously.  But it's kinda like the poop calling the other turd brown, you know? 

Speaking of jokes, less than a week ago people were making ha-ha's about the CDC, WHO, and COVID in right wing watering holes like the FNC.  Mocking the virus hand-wringing.  Somehow claiming it's a hoax.  This week it's suddenly incredibly serious and we all need to be part of the solution.  Not that I disagree with it being serious and all, but funny how rhetoric works.

Maybe COVID will shake loose a little bit of that nonsense and we'll give facts and science a bit more prestige?  Oh, for a silver-lining.

The hoax part was the fear that the left media was spreading about not doing enough.  The fear stirred up by the media was about how poorly and unprepared the GOP gov was. 

Fast forward less than a week and the GOP gov stepped up and locked everyone down.  The seriousness this week is about the lock down and preventing the spread.  The other worry is not knowing how long this will last.  The word is from that orange guy is we will be this way until August.

Not sure why you think either political side loves science more than the other.  One side says climate change isn't that they say and the other side destroys unborn fetus or baby. You can take which side of science you like but you might want to think before you spin that science thing around.   The CDC was unprepared for this and that tells you something. And that something was not under funding.

12 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

It's not about hate, it's about wanting competent leadership during a global pandemic the likes of which most of us have never seen in our lifetimes. 

Our president is an idiot. If you can't get beyond your own politics and realize that then you're the one with the problem. 

I'm not the one with the problem.  I shouted loud and clear that now was not the time to talk politics. 

Here's a news flash.  Why were infected with corona virus people from China flying all over the world before countries locked them out?  Italy, Japan and U.S. outbreaks happened because of this.  If this were Americans that did this the out cry would be none stop.

3 minutes ago, Mokara said:

No hospitals collapsed. What collapsed was a hotel that was being used for quarantine purposes.

Thanks for the clarification.

1 minute ago, Mokara said:

That IS part of the solution, lol. In times of crisis you need competent leadership, not a showman.

Where are you from and live?

2 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Interestingly, the nations with the lowest numbers also took the biggest SARS hit in 2003.  Those countries didn't mess around, knew what's at stake, and they're practically a flat-line on the charts.

You are correct.  Look at Singapore and other countries.  They wear mask and practice social distancing all the time.  And I would guess the fast food and food service protect themselves and the customer with the same precautions.

This has never been discussed in the U.S. and needs to be addressed.  Good or bad that's what the world will look like when this is over.

2 minutes ago, Mokara said:

Oh...I see the great leader is now proclaiming that he knew it was going to be a pandemic all along.  Even after all the BS he has been spewing for the last week. Because, you know, he just MUST be right ALL of the time 🙄

Man, they need to get that clown out of there RIGHT NOW ☹️

Another political diarrhea post.  Why?  Who the cares ?   Be part of the solution or get out of the way. 

Your post about who you like or hate doesn't matter anymore.

4 minutes ago, Mokara said:

I am going to quote you on this in a few weeks.

Please quote the prayers for everyone.

I also would rather be right on the low number side. You can hope for the other.

1 hour ago, KnightsFan said:

(Not necessarily directed at you, John, just piggybacking off the nice graphic you posted!)

It's great to have perspective and realize that even in the worst case, the human race will continue and this likely won't be the worst health crisis in our species' history.

However, we're at just over 7,000 deaths today, and on Mar. 7 we were at 3500. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) That means doubling in 10 days, as has been posted before. If we continue on that exponential growth model, we will hit 200M deaths globally in 150 days--and it will be 400M in just 160 days. A vaccine is expected to take 12 to 18 months, which would be too late for humanity in this case.

Since flu numbers are often used in comparison, starting with 100 deaths in the US now, and doubling every 10 days, we would surpass a "historically bad year" of 61,000 flu deaths by mid-June. And then we'd pass the 1.25M car accident deaths in August.

The good news is that we know that we won't continue on this exponential growth model indefinitely (partly because if all the 70+ yr olds die, the mortality rate will drop), so the 200M deaths scenario in under a year is unlikely. Eventually it will taper off. But our actions now, before we are inundated and our hospitals full, determine whether we taper off the exponential growth sooner or later.

Let's all do our part, be safe, and help out our friends and neighbors where we can.

And the good news is you're wrong like the last doom and gloom predictor from France.  China has 1.386 billion people and they have 198,091 cases and 7,961 deaths.  it took the U.S.3 months to get here.  China also has 108,403 active cases and 7,020 of those cases are serious or critical.  94% of the cases are mild.

Take the time to look at charts to see what numbers have increased, and what numbers from which countries have started to flatten out. 

In the U.S total number of deaths are 87 and climbing 15 a day it seems.  This is not new cases or a number that should spike based on testing. 

Prayers for everyone around the world.

12 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

So your point is that I'm irresponsibly posting and sharing fear (based on a doctor's opinion) and you want to expose the fraud of who I am. Good for you. Now I understand why you have 131 posts, yet only 4 likes. Let's leave it at that. I'm done with you (but I'm sure you'll want the last word).

I tried to respond and ask the source of you thinking 1 million will die from the corona virus.   You posted a graphic and I researched it.  That's it nothing more. 

I'll try to get my "like" count up for ya.

2 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

What is your point? What do you have to add to this conversation, please?

I added more information about where your graphic number came from.  I suspect more info that you didn't know about.  You saw a graphic on facebook and re-posted one person's opinion from a conference. That was not an official release from AHA so no reason for you to act like it was. You posted leaked opinion based news.

10 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

You didn't read what I said. If COVID-19 caused 1 death and I said it might cause "less than 1 million," I'd be right. Only time will tell what happens. Do you agree with me or not? And do you have better info than extrapolating math? If you do, speak up! I'd love to know. Post it! Please!

I'm taking in info like everyone else.  You posted one MD's opinion on how bad it could get.

9 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

China handled it very poorly in the beginning and stepped up their game in the lock-down phase. Also they built "hospitals" in two days. The US and Europe are doing better? I seriously doubt it. Again, my source was this:

Do you have better information than the American Hospital Association? I would love to see it! Again, I said "less than 1 million".

"On one slide, James Lawler, MD, an associate professor University of Nebraska Medical Center, estimated the effect of the virus' nationwide spread. He predicted 96 million cases overall, 4.8 million hospitalizations and 480,000 deaths. The slide does not mention a time frame within which this may happen."

Researched you slide graphic.

On the page this was presented someone wrote this in the comments.

"China, where COVID-19 is winding down has had less than 3,500 deaths, and the USA will have close to half million? Really?"

You mean the hospitals that collapsed?  Keep loving China when they are the origin of this.  Do some research and then think.

Also, China isn't reporting real numbers now and have pulled back how much they're testing.

I don't think the previous 2 months of data support that graphic. 

4 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

If you read what I wrote, it was "less than 1 million". I don't have a TV and I don't watch the boob tube as my grandpa used to say... it makes you dumb!

It might be closer to a million than you think though. It's just too soon to really know. It all depends on how over-saturated hospitals get and how governments can handle it. Obviously, China and Singapore handled it well... no telling what other governments are capable of.

People get the news from the internet.  What's your source is what i was asking?  China did not handle it well and that was my point.  China handled it as bad as could be and it wasn't as bad as you're predicting.

13 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

People surely have freedom of speech. My cup of tea since ever : )

Please try to not distort my input for the sake of mutual understanding at least. You see the things much different of me, man, I am not even the political motivated individual type. Politics makes part of the world more than myself.

Don't think I don't care about you. I can feel myself unfairly harassed by you and I still wish you sincerely all the best. If it would depend on me, you'll have the same happiness I hope for me. I am not indifferent to your luck, I am sorry you don't feel it or believe, I see. I refuse to exclude anyone.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Posted by me before, no idea if you've noticed it anyway.

I noticed the link you posted but you don't comprehend what you pass along as information. I was posting about the person that said the corona virus would take out a million people.  You might want to pay attention to the post you're replying to.

1 minute ago, BTM_Pix said:

Sadly, even today, the zealots are trying to make some Brexit capital out of the crisis so the lunatic isolationist project is still very much in play.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-brexit-dominic-raab-uk-cuba-foreign-secretary-a9406736.html

That does suck.  Again, people can't let go of politics.

1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

People in the world dying and there is who is interested in a pissing contest with strangers to keep insulting on internet. There are no borders, the issue crosses them. The fictional maps didn't protect anyone of international crisis before with or without "national" media coverage, go figure today. Bubble burst.

No need media or whoever to distort content. Facts remain facts.

Just standing up for my rights and defending my opinion.  Everyone has a right to speak up for the country they are citizens of.  The media did distort the facts when they didn't report them.  CNN is obsessed with everything but the news.  Do a quick search on You Tube and you'll see what and when they reported about the virus.  The media failed us and so have people of the world who can't step out of their political lines. You are the greatest example.  Instead of offer help and support you constantly criticize people for not being the model citizen that you expect.

1 minute ago, John Matthews said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

"200 million" is an estimation over multiple waves... not all at once. That would be similar to AIDS that stretched multiple generations. Still, I think the graph helps a person visualise what's going on. When COVID-19 is all said and done, it'll only be a blip on this info-gram- probably less than 1 million deaths, but it's still too early to tell.

No way it's taking out 1 million people. Where are you getting this doom and gloom from? CNN I take it?

How many deaths in China? In Singapore?

51 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

 

I think you'd need to be a little oblivious of the recent news to not be aware of what @sanveer is saying? (not meaning to imply I agree with him, but I at least understand the perspective he is coming from)

For instance, here are the top two results I got for "China" when I searched Google from the news just now, major headline stories from big mainstream news sites:

Trump angers Beijing with 'Chinese virus' tweet
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51928011

Trump sparks anger by calling coronavirus the 'Chinese virus'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/trump-calls-covid-19-the-chinese-virus-as-rift-with-coronavirus-beijing-escalates

There are countless more like this that have been published just in the past 24hrs or so:

Trump tweets about coronavirus using term 'Chinese Virus'
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/trump-tweets-about-coronavirus-using-term-chinese-virus-n1161161
Trump’s ‘Chinese Virus’ Tweet Adds Fuel to Fire With Beijing
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-17/trump-s-chinese-virus-tweet-adds-fuel-to-fire-with-beijing
China to Pompeo: Stop Calling It the ‘Wuhan Virus’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-tells-pompeo-to-stop-calling-coronavirus-covid-19-wuhan-virus
Trump Roundly Condemned for Divisive ‘Chinese Virus’ Tweet
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-roundly-condemned-for-divisive-chinese-virus-tweet
Trump called it the 'Wuhan coronavirus' for a legal — and commonsensical — reason
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/487931-trump-called-it-the-wuhan-coronavirus-for-a-legal-and-commonsensical

 

China has a big cover up and propaganda machine that's trying to save face for starting the corona virus.

You are 100% correct about CNN and the other news outlets not covering the virus when they should have.  Everyone not in the U.S. can take a seat and worry about there own country where they live or are from.

We have a enough to worry about without funny men telling people they don't have a right to speak about the country they're a citizen of.