androidlad

Looks like RF-E is being considered after all.

8 hours ago, BrunoCH said:

Good new ! Very good monitor but I'm a little disappointed by the Users LUTs. There are only 17x17x17. Not very useful. Hope the new firmware can improve this.

17^3 precision is more than enough for monitoring. The ones that support higher precision all downconvert to 17^3 internally.

RF 28-70 f/2 and Z6 with ProRes RAW would be a divine combo.

6 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Wow it works with the EF-E adapter on top. What company is developing the adapter, may I ask? Or is it a small indie producer?

Techart

23 minutes ago, Cliff Totten said:

Wait,...hold on.....what? Is the a passive adapter or an active adapter?

Ok....I'm about to take a super long crazy shot in the dark here. We know that Nikon is buying the Sony A7-III's IMX410 sensor, this is now fact...and a zero supprise to everybody here.

Here is the crazy part.....is it possible that Sony has leased their Emount lens and focus protocol to Nikon for all their new lenses? I could certainly see why Nikon would rather buy it than design it themselves. Could Nikon also lease Sony PDAF pattents too? And Sony IBIS also?

The cost of just buying it could beat the cost of developing it from scratch and trying to mature it as fast as they can. Buying an already tested and mature system could be A LOT easier!

Nah....on second thought. This kind of industry camera collusion never happens like that in reality. Plus, Sony is not known for selling itself to customers in that way.

This is just crazy talk.......

Active with electronic contacts, so AF works.

27 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Don't some of the Fuji lenses cover full frame? I would be surprised if anyone made an adapter to fuji though, would be a small market I imagine. 

Z mount flange is 16mm, E mount is 18mm, X mount is 17.7mm. Maybe they can shave off 0.3mm.

By the way I was told there's a big Kaizen firmware coming for CM-55C around the end of this month.

It'll be available here: http://www.swit.cc/productshow.aspx?id=320

There are three LUT options, camera/user/calibration, make sure you select "user".

2 minutes ago, AlexTrinder96 said:

so the fujinon mk lenses will work? Interesting! 

They can be mounted but they obviously can't cover full frame.

17 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Woah. Good news.

Prototype or already released adapter?

Production sample, ready for release soon.

They also showed it working with EF-E adapter on top of it, so you can use Canon lenses as well.

So this just happened:

The flange difference between Z and E is only 2mm... This adapter is literally razor thin, and still manages to be electronic which supports AF.

RF-Z is also planned, RF-E won't happen though.

1 hour ago, JurijTurnsek said:

The question now is how much of this upgrading could have been done with a FW update for the A6300 (aside from the new screen hinge) and if the AF improvements are coming to the A6500 as well.

They essentially put the A9 processor into A6400, so not likely.

Impressive touch AF with face detection, selection and tracking

This sensor:

19 hours ago, rockjano said:

Ok and when will we have fast enough computers to edit 8K footage???

 

That is the main and the biggest problem with 8K

Recent generations of Nvidia GPUs can edit 8K 12bit HEVC in real time. It's just software that haven't catch up to take full advantage of the hardware.

36 minutes ago, Mako Sports said:

Its an upgraded sensor, no word on rolling shutter. If its still full sensor readout oversampled 6K video then I doubt it will have improved.

It's the same A6300/6500 sensor, even the PDAF mask is the same with 425 points.

Interface and processor are upgraded for a bit faster readout.

Interesting that A6400 removed 29:59 recording limit.

ProRes RAW integration and licensing in third party apps such as Adobe Creative Cloud are currently underway, no ETA at the moment.

Apple never intended for ProRes RAW to be confined in Apple ecosystem.

12 minutes ago, Inazuma said:

Can someone give me the short of why they decided to go with 48mp? 

4 to 1 binning to produce 12MP image in low light.

50 minutes ago, Django said:

Well internally Z6 already downsamples it's 4K from 6K doesn't it? What would 5K add to 4K timelines? extra crop /warp stabilizing wiggle room? DCI 4K? Not bad i guess.

It also still remains to be seen the actual benefits of ProResRaw even at 12-bit linear. What kind of DR/IQ increase are we talking about VS 10-bit log?

It's known to FS5/FS7 shooters that 12-bit raw isn't always worth the hassle VS 10-bit log, especially in low light conditions.

Not trying to cast any doubts just genuinely curious about these aspects. We're kind of on uncharted territory here (as far as MILCs).

There's not much difference in terms of total DR between 12bit linear ProRes RAW and 10bit log ProRes HQ.

But 12bit linear distributes DR to highlights more so we might see better highlight recovery, in certain situations, at an expense of reduced shadow detail.

5 hours ago, Eric Calabros said:

- I never said they're lossy RAW.

- Rolling shutter speed is not an indicator. Nikon changes a lot of things in Sony sensors.

- These sensors can use a 16bit ADC and yet output only 10bit signal. 

12bit RAW is lossy compressed, if you meant Sony 12bit RAW stills.

Nikon does change a lot of things, but not in video mode, they follow preset readout drive modes to save R&D resources.

This particular one does not have 16bit ADC. For those that do have, framerate is way below 30fps. As mentioned above, the preset readout drive modes operate in 12bit.

1 minute ago, Eric Calabros said:

Judging a footage's data integrity from a visual examination of a youtube video of a display in an exhibition booth, is not a fact. Its a funny speculation. Anyway, you can always encode 8bit signal with 10bit codec, or 10bit signal with 12bit codec.

1. It can be linear or log. Did you know the 12bit still raw image in photo cameras are actually 10+2bit? 

2.a. We can't be sure its exactly IMX410.

2.b. We're not talking about the ADC. 

1. ProRes RAW is linear, it's written in the whitepaper. 12bit lossy RAW photo is irrelevant in this discussion.

2. a. Yes it's based on IMX410. Z6's rolling shutter in 4K matches A7III down to milliseconds.

2. b. ADC determines RAW bitdepth.

This is what the Z6 sensor IMX410 is capable of with the fast and expensive SLVS-EC interface, note that Nikon uses subLVDS which is a lot slower.

If you cross reference this with Mavo LF spec, it's identical. It's also an indication of the capabilities of Panasonic S1

2 hours ago, Eric Calabros said:

@androidlad @DBounce

Horshack is an engineer Z7 owner, he knows this stuff very well.

The only benefit of this RAW that comes to mind is outputing image larger than 4k.  

Let's use some common sense:

1. ProRes RAW is linear RAW, 10bit code values are extremely insufficient for storing linear data, you'd get severe banding. ARRI uses 12bit log RAW and Sony CineAlta uses 14bit linear RAW.

2. Z6's base sensor IMX410 does not have 10bit ADC.

14 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Here is the Newsshooter interview with Jeremy from Atomos. Fast forward to the  5:55 in the video. They ask Jeremy from Atomos point blank about bit depth.  Listen to his answer... nuff said!

 

 

@androidlad and @Eric Calabros Oops wrong video... this one same marker 5:55... he is asked about  bit depth.

 

10bit N-log, 12bit ProRes RAW, case closed.

1 hour ago, Eric Calabros said:

Readout bit depth is different from output bit depth. Atmos technical rep has said its 10bit. Probably sensors can't output 10bit at 30fps. 

Source for this Atomos rep?

1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah but from what I know the X Trans thing is an overlay mask on a standard Sony Sensor. So it is sort of a hybrid sensor. So who knows if it can or can't yet?

X-Trans is a replacement of the standard Bayer filter array, not an overlay.

It's very unlikely for ProRes RAW to support this special CFA used by just one manufacturer, it's even more unlikely for Fuji to open up their X-Trans tech to others.

16 minutes ago, thephoenix said:

Do you think fuji will enter the dance and provide prores and or prores raw with ninja v  like nikon did ? 

Someone over at DVXuser made a good point:

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In light of Atomos/Nikon announcing ProRes RAW recording. Here's my quick take on the practicality of ProRes RAW on Fuji X cameras.

Fuji uses a X-Trans CFA that's different from standard Bayer sensor, it's likely not compatible with ProRes RAW (whitepaper specifically says Bayer RAW). Even it could be compatible, based on Fuji's RAF RAW stills performance, it's likely to be very difficult to record and decode.

So my take is: Nah ain't gonna happen.