Vintage Jimothy

3 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Pretty sure that's what I heard them say during an interview if I remember correctly. But according to some forum members, I can't even remember what they just typed two seconds before.  

I definitely hope that's the case! The sooner other lens companies chip in and offer various new lenses for the Z mount, the better. I love the look and feel that the Voigtlander M43 lineup has to offer- if they can bring that sort of feel to the Z mount, I'd be elated.

28 minutes ago, jonpais said:

From what I understand, Voigtlander is looking into their patents.

So you're saying that they're looking at possibly making lenses for the new Z mount?

24 minutes ago, mercer said:

I liked the SLR Magic 17mm and 35mm. And the Rokinon/Samyang 12mm and 21mm cine lenses were pretty nice looking as well.

Yeah, I've heard great things about all of those lenses too!

I will say the lenses I'm most interested in getting if I say "Screw it" and get a bunch of native M43 lenses are the Voigtlander f0.95 line. The 17.5mm in particular just has this look about it that reminds me a LOT of classic 70's cinema, which I adore. Definitely pricier than the Olympus 17mm though...

I actually really hope we see Voigtlander make some new lenses for the Z-mount. 

Apparently NiSi is also working on a 75mm f0.95 lens for the Sony E, Nikon Z and EOS-R mounts too. 

By the way, are there any other great and relatively affordable M43 native lenses anyone here would like to suggest for narrative filmmaking? 

29 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Here’s the a side-by-side shoot I did a while back with the G85 and X-T2. Apologies for the dreadful grading.

 

That Fuji 90mm is gorgeous.

8 minutes ago, mercer said:

Yeah a 35mm equivalent FOV is a great one lens prime option for narrative filmmaking... get a little wide and with a fast lens, you get a little shallow depth... zoom in and out with your feet.

Exactly. It's a very versatile focal length for a "one prime lens only" option for narrative filmmaking and has something of a natural cinematic look to it IMO. Even when I was looking at the Voigtlander lenses, I was always focusing on their 17.5mm for that exact reason.

5 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yes absolutely viable but Nikon's marketing department probably doesn't even know what an anamorphic is!!

Quick! Someone inform the folks at Atomos that they need to have a talk with their pals at Nikon! ?

5 minutes ago, jonpais said:

I’m still using the original Crane.

Nice! I'm looking at the new Weebill Lab for now. Seems like a very promising gimbal to me!

5 minutes ago, jonpais said:

I practically always shoot with my a7 III on a gimbal; footage would be too shaky otherwise. 

What gimbal do you personally prefer using?

14 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Z6 has already been launched, it is a set-spec and they had the final production units at Photokina to try out. It won't do 4K 60p but it's a better camera than the already very good A7 III for similar money, which is why it's so exciting.

Do you think the "anamorphic mode via a firmware update (even if it's only in Super35 crop mode)" idea is a viable option at all? 

8 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Well I think those Clutch Olympus lenses Have to be the way to go for video. Panasonic, Olympus are Not noted for killer AF in video mode!

Hey your getting smarter by the minute LoL. Good move. But it still is not wide enough to me. But I realize you have to start someplace. I would rather have the Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8

I mean, the 35mm equivalency of the 17mm is nice for a starter lens in narrative filmmaking IMO. I'm not keen on Nifty Fifties much myself, though I love a ton of different focal lengths. And while it's obviously not the same, Ridley Scott shot Alien on an anamorphic 75mm lens back in the day (which would have a width more akin to a 37.5mm aspherical lens than a traditional 75mm IIRC). I dig the 35mm focal length for film. 

That said, the 12-40mm seems like a smart option too. Might look at both.

5 minutes ago, mercer said:

You can probably find a used one pretty cheap in Japan.

Yeah, there's a couple of local Japanese camera stores about 20-30 minutes away from the house where I could probably buy an Olympus at. Once Typhoon Kong-Rey passes, of course.

6 minutes ago, jonpais said:

I don’t go along with future proof anything. If I did, I’d be visiting the chiropractor every month shooting Sigma ART lenses on my Panasonics; dealing with miserable AF on my Sony; and never being able to appreciate just how superb Fujinons are on my X-T2.

The beauty of micro four thirds is compact lenses - not bodies - and hanging a two pound chunk of glass off a G85 is not only not fun, but I prefer the image quality from the Olympus PRO lenses anyhow.

I suppose that's a fair counterargument. It'd also be a lot easier to use the G85 on a gimbal like the new Zhiyun Weebill Lab if I invested more in the lighter native mount lenses too.

Actually, thinking more on it, I might just go ahead and save up for the Olympus 17mm f1.8 for now. The Sigma 18-35/Viltrox adapter combo is going to end up totaling around a thousand bucks for me, so it'd be nice to pick up at least one or two more affordable M43 native prime lenses to use on the G85 in the meantime.

1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:

The Only reliable autofocus as narrative filmmaking is a Canon, newer one with DPAF. Sure the Sony, Panny ones with touch screen work, but that is not easy to do solo compared to trusting the camera. This is why there is really not a great, one camera does it all thing.

I'm well aware. I was trying to say that auto-focus wasn't really a factor for me when getting the Panny G85 since I'm a narrative filmmaker first and foremost, so I plan to do more manual focus to begin with. 

1 minute ago, mercer said:

Damn, I am talking myself into a G85 and Olympus lenses... lol.

Yeah, the Olympus glass is stunning...

Just now, webrunner5 said:

That set up will not focus for shit in video mode. And with a fly by wire lens, hmm.

That's very true, but let's be real- should I really be using a Panasonic in general for reliable autofocus as narrative filmmaking?

The Sigma is a fly-by-wire, but apparently its focus and zoom rings are designed with a throw that feels pretty similar to traditional lenses. It's really popular for indie filmmaking for a reason.

1 minute ago, mercer said:

It depends where you think you will end up. The only definitive way to future proof lenses is to buy full frame lenses. And if you’re going to do that, you may be better off buying a good prime lens in your favorite focal length to start off. If you definitely know which path you will take, then buy accordingly, if not then purchase for the system you already own. There are a lot of upgrade options in Micro4/3 so a Voigtländer isn’t necessarily an unwise decision if you like prime lenses. You also can sell the lens at a minimal loss if you need to.

Honestly, if I was going to get a micro4/3 camera, I’d definitely look into the Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 and the Olympus 17mm 1.8. My friend has both of those lenses for E-M10iii and they are truly beautiful lenses.

Yeah, I've been debating about holding off and getting a couple of cheaper prime lenses for the M43 mount to start off with. 

1 minute ago, BaZa said:

I really want Nikon Z6 to be a very successful camera, I just wished a 4K 60p internally. C'mon Nikon, surprise everyone at Z6 launch, you can do it ?

I have one question, when changing between photo and video mode, does it keep the values from each mode? I hate to keep changing  the shutter, iso, aperture when going from photo to video. And this new Nikon' Z6 is possibly my new future camera, a really hybrid camera. And then I can sell my D600 and Samsung NX1.

If Nikon were to pull that off, it'd definitely be something to immediately draw attention towards the Z6.

3 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Uhh, the G85 has a 2x crop factor. So that 18-35 is really going to be a 36-70mm lens. That is a far cry from what you are stating.

Hence the additional $200 Viltrox speedbooster adapter. ?

Just now, forofilms said:

Really curious about the IBIS performance on the Nikon Zs. Sony isn't up to snuff for me. Would really love a FF option with the IBIS performance of a GH5. No 4k60p is a bummer too... 

I have a feeling we'll see 4k60p either in a video-centric Nikon Z model sometime next year or whenever they opt to make the second generation of the Z line. It'd be awesome if Nikon also boosted up the 1080p max frame rate to either 180 fps or 240 fps whenever that time comes too. 

7 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Hmm that is not very wide and it won't focus as fast. But it is a fast lens no doubt. That Pana-Leica 10-25mm f1.7 will probably be 2000 bucks. Just buy cheap stuff LoL. Fly by wire lens suck for focus anyways. Just have a good kit lens and be happy. The beauty of Mirrorless is that you can adapt about anything you find on them.

It's not, but the Sigma 18-35 is effectively a set of quality 24, 28, 35, 40 and 50mm lenses all in one with a constant aperture of f1.8. They might not be as versatile as say a 24-70, but the range within the 18-35 are all go-to focal lengths for narrative filmmaking. Plus it's a lens that can be adapted to a ton of different cameras out there, including a number of lower level cinema cameras. 

I don't make much money right now, hence why I haven't purchased a ton of gear yet and all the lights I'm looking at are pretty cheap. I definitely need to upgrade for a faster lens than my kit lens soon-ish, but the best options I've looked at are all in the same general price range and will require a decent amount of saving up and investing long term. I adore the look of the Voigtlanders, but would it be wise of me to spend the money on that lens when I'm already eyeing other camera mounts with larger sensors?

1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:

I don't know what lenses you are planing to buy but I can tell you the newest 14-140mm, the satin black one that was a kit lens on the G7, is a crazy sharp, fast focusing lens for what it is. They have made 3 different 14-140mm's. Get the latest one.

As previously mentioned, I'm currently looking at saving up for a Sigma 18-35 with an adapter. That said, the newly announced Pana-Leica 10-25mm f1.7 is giving me serious pause... but I don't plan to stay in the M43 world long term, so the Sigma makes more sense as an investment.

8 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I think that price is Just the deposit price!! "starting at $7995 USD"

Oh damn. That's definitely a lot pricier than I anticipated. lol

Still I think my previous suggestion for Nikon to look into possibly incorporating an anamorphic mode into the Z6 and Z7 via firmware update could work. Right now the only cameras in that general playing field that can do that are the GH5 and GH5s, right?

Just now, mercer said:

I had a G7 for a while and am very familiar with the camera. I sold it once I decided to go the Raw route. The G85 would be a great second camera for me and other than IBIS, it fixes one major flaw of the G7... its plastic build... I was often afraid I would break the thing when I opened and turned the LCD screen. If Panasonic would just include the all-i 1080p features from the FZ2500/GH4/GH5 in the G9, then that would be a great option for me as well. But even as-is, the G9 with 4K 60p is definitely a great upgrade if you tire of the G85.

At this point, I'm probably going to end up switching to either Fuji or Nikon when the time comes for me to get a new camera. I love the color science and feel of the Fuji X-H1 and X-T3 and the new Nikon Z cameras seem really promising to me. 

It's tough to make up my mind though, as I currently lack any sort of lights (I'm looking at getting the Aputure F7 for a starting key light and maybe the Yongnuo YN360's for RGB/fill and hair lights), so I really need to consider my options for lenses for low light. I was initially looking at the Voigtlander f0.95 line and the Mitakon 25mm f0.95, but I think the Sigma 18-35 with an adapter is probably the smarter option in the long run, since I doubt I'll be sticking with the Micro Four-Thirds system in the long term and I could easily use the Sigma on a ton of other cameras over the years, including something like a RED Raven if I ever wind up owning or renting one of those. 

11 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Oh you made a really good choice with the G85. It has made some really good videos on here. It really is all you need to get the job done. Great at photos also.  All these newer cameras test the people skills more than the camera skills. ?

Yeah, definitely. I still have a long way to go for developing my own skills, I think, but I really love the G85. 

19 minutes ago, jonpais said:

They’re $7,995.00 apiece. 

It looks like they're actually $4,999.00 apiece, but $7,995.00 for a set? Not 100% sure though.

I directed this almost three years ago as part of an in-class assignment (we had like 90 minutes total to shoot the whole short with a randomized crew) back at my old film studies program at UNC Wilmington. My DP on the project ended up making a huge difference on the quality of the film, as he looked at my detailed storyboards and got really creative with the lighting rig and using the Lensbaby Sweet 35 tilt-shift lens for the distorted close-up shots of the mystery maniac in the hallway.

I don't remember what camera we used specifically for this, but I know it was a Canon DSLR of some sort. Shortly after I graduated from the school, apparently the college opted to upgrade their rental camera sets with a bunch of Sony A7sII's, so no one that's there now seems to remember what model we used back in 2015.

1 minute ago, jonpais said:

@Vintage Jimothy Is there a dealer where you live? The G85 has outstanding ergonomics and reliability, it’s economical, it has a nice 4K image, IBIS and flippy screen.

While I haven’t used the G7, it still has many adherents and sells new for just $500. The lack of IBIS would be a dealbreaker for me though.

I live in Okinawa, Japan. We had to order the camera via Amazon over to my sister back in the States and have her ship it over to us. The first try of Amazon mailing the camera straight to us didn't work at all and took up almost two months of our time. We finally got it over here on the second go-around after about another month.

Admittedly, the G85 is my first personal camera, so I'm still in the process of saving up money for various pieces of equipment (i.e. lenses, cage, monitor/external recorder, gimbal). I always rented out equipment back at my old film school to save money, but I love my G85. I'm still planning on looking at other cameras in the future, but for the moment I really dig my G85.

4 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I had a G7 myself. Great camera for the money. And I would guess, yes that is the reason iti s more popular. It was for me. Sure the IBIS is great to have but with the difference you can have the G7 and a half decent lens. But sure the G85 is on paper a better camera, especially for video.

Yeah, that was my thought process too. When I first started looking at camera options a year ago, I was initially pretty set on the G7. Then I ended up going for the G85 and I'm glad I did. It's a lovely and reliable camera.

2 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

When was the last time someone mentioned a GH4 on this site? I find that interesting also. I guess they all became useless.

I mean, I get that cameras are succeeded by newer models all the time. That doesn't surprise me. It's inevitable and with Panasonic announcing their new L-mount alliance and upcoming FF cameras, that shift obviously has an impact on the company's M43 cameras.

What I find perplexing is that an even older model than the G85 seems to still be referenced more often lately (the G7). Is it because of the cheaper price tag?