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On 8/14/2020 at 4:46 PM, Xavier Plágaro Mussard said:

Is anybody zooming in 2020?? Of course, yes to reframe, but I say "keep in editing" zooms?? 

Documentary / event / general run 'n gun shooters of a certain style, it has uses for them. The Hate5Six guy, it's almost a signature thing of his imo. Though his style is still evolving and not the same for every subject. Also not that he uses Fuji...

On 9/8/2020 at 1:37 AM, 63degreesnorth said:

I haven’t really kept abreast with this thread so excuse me if this has been touched on before...

I’m a long time Fuji user. Currently running with 2 X-H1’s and an X-T3. I make most of my money in the stills department but am pushing further and further into video... I have most of the native Fuji fast glass but found for video I much prefer the look of vintage glass. I was lucky enough to inherit my father’s set of Ai-s primes which I’ve cine-modded. Mounted to the X-H1’s (fantastic stills / occasional video cameras) I’ve gotten some pretty stellar results even with their limited 8 bit codec. The softer lenses, older coating formulas cutting down on the overly sharpened image, beautiful highlight roll off + subtle bloom, and lovely organic looking flair (with a high quality ND in front of them). Of course when it comes to rolling shutter and pushing colors around the X-t3’s faster readout and superior codecs shine but I have much more fun just throwing the Nikkor 28 f2 or 50 f1.2 on one of the X-H1’s and just walking out the door.

In the time I’ve worked with the X-H1’s IBIS (after the firmware updates) I’ve found I can get pretty lovely pans, tilts, push-ins / pull-outs by putting it in a cage with a top handle and adding a bit of weight to the camera. Often in  lieu of a full rig by just screwing a 1-2lb counterweight directly under the center of mass... it seems by limiting the planes of movement (in a relative sense of course) the IBIS really does a lovely job.
 

For stills it’s a game changer especially when manually focusing old fast glass but that’s another story.

My question is has anyone tried this with X-t4? How does the IBIS perform under those conditions. 

Currently torn between selling the X-t3 and 16-80 and picking up an X-t4 or an s5. Or waiting perhaps another year for an X-h2. 🙃
 

Also does anyone know if the s5 suffers from the same latency issues over hdmi as previous Panasonic models? ... if so + lack of the ability to punch in while recording might make it a no go for my use case. Otherwise looks to be a lovely camera - of course a full size HDMI would be preferred!

Thanks for your time.

 

 

I've used the XH1 and now own an XT4.
The XT4 is definitely just... better when it comes to IBIS. I found the XH1 to be sickeningly bad for the way I shoot, I had to get rid of it asap. Those little quantised jumps in sensor movement were destroying shot after shot. The XT4 has similar but more well-controlled issues I suppose. It's not up there with Panasonic IBIS though (not like GH5 anyway).

You're right about the planes of movement thing, this is the key with Fuji IBIS I guess. It just can't handle any sort of movement in more than one plane at a time. Tilt while panning? You'll get tiny jerks and catch-up movements in the stabilisation. Likewise strafing or raising the position of the whole camera in space while panning or tilting. You have to be very deliberate with the XT4 handheld movements. I never use the DIS digital stab. The IS Boost seems to be okay, to be honest I can't tell the difference in what that's doing half the time. It's performance may have been altered a bit in one of the firmware updates and I'm just confused about its efficacy now at this point.

Something about the XT4 footage stabilises pretty nicely in post, thankfully. Maybe the good performance for rolling shutter is important there. Stick (in DaVinci Resolve anyway) to the straightforward 'translation' type stabilisation and you can avoid the dreaded "warpy shit". So if you're happy enough to polish your footage after that way, you'll get perfectly great results with the XT4 IBIS, yes. Especially with a heavier setup, I guess.

The codecs are really great. I'm delighted with how well they hold up in terms of noise and dynamic range. They playback/edit fairly well for h265 and all too on my laptop.

Just catching up on what is probably already old news on this now.

The firmware update "fixing" overheating is exactly the sham I was saying I was wary of. Get a few youtubers with a big neon "Overheating Fixed????" in their video thumbnail and there's just enough misinformation then to keep people buying the product. After those initial first wave of remorseful people who got the thing already, of course.

Quick firmware updates that don't really change anything (Fuji XT4 IBIS anyone? IS Boost suddenly does worse than nothing? NOT fixed) and nobody's sure what to believe anymore. "Oh but I heard they fixed it?"

Hope it gets hacked to bits like the GH2 and people who have bought it get a workhorse to grow into for the next 10 years instead of buying another canon body.

Yeah I wonder how much of that extra steadiness in the S1H was actually due to weight! It absolutely looks better than the S5 though. Curious how the GH5 (and newer XT4 fw's) stack up but I guess I can search some videos on that.
 

17 hours ago, jack jin said:

Does the s5 has the ability to adjust the Noise Reduction and Sharpening in VLOG? From what I seen in some videos it seems like those options are greyed out. Which would be a massive bummer since I hate the aggressive noise reduction and sharpneing from these mirrorless cameras. 

It's probably already "off" in VLog. That'd be the very reason is greyed out

18 hours ago, Lux Shots said:

But which lens did you have with the S1? If you didn't have the 24-105 or the 70-200, then you didn't get to enjoy the benefits of Dual-I.S. 2. For whatever reason, the 24-70 f/2.8 did not include optical stabilization like the 12-35 f/2.8 on the GH5. The Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 includes optical stabilization, but it doesn't work with the Panasonic Dual I.S. 2 system.

 

Sorry, I forgot to explicitly say I don't mean anything to do with lens OIS whatsoever. Just IBIS - just in-body.

And I don't buy into the rated X.X Stops specs stuff since that just doesn't tell much of a tale at all for video, as I discovered with my XT4, it certainly has a bunch of "Stops of stabilisation", but their quantised and robotic way of moving the sensor ruins many of my video shots.

So I'm still sort of wondering - is the S5 better than the S1/H in this regard and were those any better than the GH5?

When people compare the IBIS in this to the S1/S1h, how does that compare again to the GH5? Were the S1 models a little worse at IBIS? I know people tend to say it's just never as easy with larger sensors. Is the IBIS in this up to par?

Since it sounds like the AF may actually compete with Fujis disappointing XT4 autofocus, I'm really wondering if I should regret having switched from Panasonic now. (I was a GH5 guy).

The XT4 is great but the failed IBIS and overheating/limits feel a bit more of a bummer to me now compared to a similar tier FF Panasonic camera.

I think I did see in Metabones compatibility lists that certain zoom (non OIS) lenses from CANON do allow you keep the Xt4 IBIS active.

From what I could tell though they seemed to be saying no dice when it comes to similar from Tamron, Tokina etc. I generally can't ever afford the Canon branded 'equivalent' of my EF lenses. Tamron 28-75 and Tokina 11-16 f/2.8s were meant to be my poor man's workhorses. I'll have to buy an adapter from someplace that allows no hassle return and see for myself what really works or not.

As a video shooter I'm suddenly I'm kind of remorseful now that the Pana S5 has been announced at a sort of similar price point. Since I'm more of an IBIS zealot than an autofocus guy, it would have been awesome to have the full frame sensor for low light, similar (or better?) dynamic range, top notch IBIS, and apparently less overheating too. Trying to think of where the XT4 really would even have it beat... Size/weight, I suppose. "Eterna"? ...I can workaround with other color profiles all day, enjoy it even.

9 hours ago, MrSMW said:

As an XT3/Fringer user with XT4 on the radar, I was not aware of this and thought IBIS worked with all adapted glass & adapters.

Potential spanner in the works then if this is the case as I was interested exploring the latest Metabones with focal reducer and a 24-70 from Tamron or Sigma.

Hmm...

As far as I know (it's barely documented clearly yet by anyone, including the makers of the adapters - they list some lens general compabilities but say very little about IBIS with each), they mostly turn your XT4 back into an XT3 in terms of IBIS, i.e. they deactivate it with tons of lenses.

I get that they've decided/settled for allowing OIS lenses to just replace the camera IBIS, fair enough, I can and do avoid OIS lenses anyway. But for zoom lenses than don't have their own OIS, I really would have thought the adaptor could still allow you use in camera IBIS. I suppose they have some difficulty around communicating the zoom focal length to the camera, which the IBIS must be calculated off. BUT this was no problem on my GH5 with zoom lenses on a Viltrox/Metabones adapter. There's probably just something really awkward about how Fuji handles IBIS focal length calculation.

Then there's the fact that I can still notice WILDLY different type of IBIS performance between two identical focal length lenses where one is native Fuji and one is a manual shoot-without-lens adapted mount...

IBIS in this camera has been a real disappointment, when you put all of it together. Likewise the AF I suppose, though that was never a huge hangup for me. But IBIS was my whole reason for buying an XT4. Sucks.

I wanted to make a separate thread to ask about this but maybe I shouldn't:

Those of you who have used electronic adaptors to mount other lenses on the XT4 - which one(s) are best for still getting IBIS in the camera body to always function while using the adapter? Not DIS, not lens OIS, not IS Boost - I mean actual on-sensor IBIS.
I'm probably talking about EF->Fuji adapters here for the most part but sort of interested in whatever's out there too I guess.
 

It sounds like with nearly all the Fringer/Viltrox/Kipon/Metabones electronic adapters, you're pretty much getting an "all bets are off" with regard to whether IBIS will function in the camera when using the adapter, depending on the lens. I DON'T use and don't want to use any lenses that have their own OIS - and I know that OIS lenses force you to have the lens OIS supercede and deactivate the Fuji IBIS when using these adapters. But let's say just a regular electronic zoom EF lens like my Tamron 28-75 or Tokina 11-16, neither of which have lens OIS, apparently these will also prevent me from being able to use XT4's IBIS when on all of these adaptors?

Generally it seems like:
Lenses with OIS of their own - Fuji IBIS unavailable
UNstabilised Zoom lenses - Fuji IBIS is still defeated
Unstabilised fixed primes - Fuji IBIS usually may still work
Stabilised primes (rare, I can't even think of any) - Presumably still defeat Fuji IBIS

It's a real shame if so. If it's really only like that I will probably be going with some kind of fully manual dumb focal reducer (like a Zhongyi Lensturbo ii), keeping full use of IBIS (constantly setting focal mount length manually in the menu) and using other workarounds for if/when I want to change aperture.

18 hours ago, Inazuma said:

Are there any settings on this camera to crop into the sensor while maintaining 1080 or 4k resolution?

yeah. Sort of. You can get a x1.29 crop any time you want at the touch of a (programmed) button.

When shooting 4k50/60p you're forced to a x1.19 crop at a minimum anyway.

When shooting slowmotion 1080 you're forced to a x1.29 crop anyway

When shooting with Digital Image Stabilisation (DIS) on, you're forced to x1.11 crop anyway. (DIS can't be used during slowmo btw)

The crops don't stack, of course.

Technically ANY time you shoot 4k you can crop x2 into that in post for a decent 1080p too, of course.

Just now, Cliff Totten said:

If this R5 firmware is not encrypted carefully and this thing gets "cracked" and becomes virtually limitless? If everything that Cannot has done, every measure they have made to cripple it....is reversed?

This will terrify Cannot management more than any negative press that the R5 can ever have. If the cap comes off and the genie escapes? The R5 will run wild in places that Cannot desperately does NOT want it to ever be used.

Cannot has a very "specific" intention for the R5 and they have worked soooo hard to keep it inside that box.

It absolutely must stay there. They might make the box a bit larger soon but not by much.

Ironically, it might be unauthorised, unofficial 'fixing' of the overheating that does actually spur Canon into a proper recall.

They might then appease people with a slightly less crippled version of the camera. Just enough for there to not be as much appetite to hack the thing.

4 minutes ago, EduPortas said:

As ludicrous as it sound to the West, that's the way things are run in Japan since the XIX century, at least.

The collective beats the individual. Not so in the West, where it's exactly the opposite.

I guess you may be right. It's a funny place, when you consider in the same breadth the thing of how unforgiving their work culture is to the individual.

That, and all the japanese rules MMA fights I used to see where you can kick people on the ground in the head 😅

14 minutes ago, Cliff Totten said:

Yes,...if the S1H did have phase detect AF, it WOULD be flawless. Too dangerous and that us why it won't ever have PDAF.

The camera industry has a "pizza pie" of customers. They work together to divide the customer revenue so that each company has a "group" to live off of. Panasonic has its crowd, Sony has its people, Cannot and Fuji and Oly each have their own customers...for carefully calculated reasons.

The Japaneese camera industry is an important one for the country of Japan. Its almost a "national pride" issue. They cherish it and the Japanese companies want each company to succeed or at least survive as a matter of pride and respect for each other. Each company will spar with each other, yes!...but always see that each refuses to deliver a true "knockout" blow to the other. Ot just won't ever happen.

This is why every camera will be crippled in some way to save the Japaneese "brotherhood" from being destroyed.

Everybody is given a bowling lane to operate and survive in. The camera crippling we have all seen in the past 20+ years is no accident. Its mostly designed to preserve the health of the Japaneese camera industry as a whole.

I feel like this may all be utter fallacy and imagined, sorry.
Many successful or innovative leaders in their respective field do not necessarily hold a "piece of pie" mentality when it comes to revenue/fanbase/etc. More often the opposite, they're looking beyond the slices.
Also, maybe neither of us are experts in Japanese culture, but it seems about as likely to me that in so far as these fairly faceless companies even COULD even be neatly personified with those kind of nearly-sentimental characteristics (I think they're much more like machinery than that, myself), they would be just as inclined to NOT ever pull their punches vs one another out of respect or based on their principles or whatever. Success is still success (the pie is still the pie)... dictators were no less pridefully nationalist for their belief that a unified singular leadership or monopoly on power was the best way.

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Sometimes I lose faith in the camera industry completely and think about moving on. Maybe do smartphone camera reviews, now they are at enthusiast level and really quite unique in some regards. But then I realise there is just so much immorality, face saving and arrogance everywhere I look. On the streets, in people's personal lives, in businesses up and down the country, around the world, small and large, that any efforts to correct this or open people's eyes in any small way is basically a teardrop in the sewer.

while reading this inspired monologue I'm feeling like R5 must stand for Ror5chach and a Canon Doomsday crippleclock is ticking down to 2 minutes to 12 in a VIP DefCon installation somewhere. while we all wait for a big, blue, all-powerful, balls-out Dr Samsung to finally bring his godlike presence back from Mars to save the camera world.

On 8/8/2020 at 8:30 AM, MrSMW said:

Just been playing around with a few options with my XT3 and have a question for actual XT4 owner/users and that is specifically, how good is the 'tripod' IBIS mode?

My most stabilised lens currently is the f4 16-80mm.

It doesn't really float my boat for video work, especially in low light and especially against Fringer and Metabones options that allow f1.8/f2.

But the latter aside, I like a 100% or close to steady shot for all my work. I don't pan or anything like that and certainly never walk.

However, using a monopod on a typical 12-15 hour wedding day is a bind in 2 ways.

1: Along with additional power bank, it's around 3kg extra to lug about all day.

2: It's at least 3x faster than using a tripod, but still nowhere near as fast as a harness attached unit you can swing into action within a split second and make any/all adjustments with your body.

So I am kind of musing just how good (or not) an XT4 is with everything switched on and using say the 16-55mm f2.8, ie, something moderately chunky and weighty?

If anyone has any footage they'd care to share, even better!

I tend to shoot around 30-80mm full-frame equivalent for all my video work and towards the longer end really and there are a number of lens options, but I am very interested to know how close to static footage can be achieved with say 5-10 second clips handheld.

Maybe this has been answered already, but: if you're standing still, the XT4 is fantastic. IBIS is very usable in that type of shot. Even for very simple, controlled pans and tilts, it's good too. Just anything more complicated than that (strafing the camera around, elevating it up or down, panning while doing any other movement simultaneous) it struggles.

On 8/5/2020 at 6:23 AM, MrSMW said:

I had the cheapo ef 50mm f1.8 and it was a little noisy but produced really great results with the Fringer.

Really interested in this new Metabones!

I am a big fan of Tamron lenses and would love to see how the 24-70 f2.8 and 35-140 f2.8-4 work on Fuji because if ‘good enough’, I could keep my XT3’s for a few more years yet...

That 35-140 especially. On XT3/4, focal length will be just a few mill longer but f2-2.8, in a relatively small, light and affordable lens? If the AF works as well as it does for my Fringer/Sigma 18-35 combo, I’m sold.

I've got a Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 I cherish and I can't wait to try on something like Metabones/Viltrox on the XT4, right now I just can't justify spending another $200 (let alone metabones' 600, not sure if there's a future at all where I will spend that) for the immediate timebeing especially when my day-to-day this year is just carrying the XT4 with a pancake on it. But I'll certainly be posting about the results when I finally get one of these adapters. I have a Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 as well that I hope can actually work really well for AF at such a super wide FOV. When 1.19 or 1.29 crop is active I can probably even zoom it all the way back out to 11mm on a speedbooster and get full FoV back, no vignette.

I think the fact that I can (i.e. do) already easily also throw my EF lenses on a straight dumb $20 EF adaptor to get their full length probably means I get more mileage out of going focal reducer route rather than the Fringer.

10 hours ago, EphraimP said:

I didn't say speedbooster autofocus is "good" in my earlier post, I said it works and I need to test it more. I have been using in AF-C. So far, I've only been able to test it with UMC lenses. The autofocus seems to track as well as with native lenses, which is pretty good until it inexplicably looses a face (which is Fuji problem in general right now). When changing focus, the EF lenses I've used can hunt and go in and out while trying to lock on. I think that's more to do with the UMC lens motor than anything to do with the electronic connection of the speedbooster.

I bought my daughter an EF 50 1.4 USM and played with it on the T4 before I gave it to her. Autofocus hunting was horrible, but the image was very nice opened up all the way. It makes me really want a fast niffty fifty! Any suggestions out there about which EF 50 has the best autofocus performance for under $1k? I'm wondering if I should get a EF 50 to use with the speedbooster, or get a Fuji 35mm. I like manual focusing but there are times when it's great to have autofocus. Also, I'm loving the fact that the speedboster gives another stop of aperture. 

so it tracks subject moving over a gradual (presumably gradual) / small focus distance kinda well but more often messes up bigger focus 'pulls'?

Still not sure whether I just resign myself to manual focus and get a Viltrox 'booster rather than the Fringer EF adapter. I think reduced focal lengths will be easier to tame the stabilisation on too.

10 hours ago, EphraimP said:

I didn't say speedbooster autofocus is "good" in my earlier post, I said it works and I need to test it more. I have been using in AF-C. So far, I've only been able to test it with UMC lenses. The autofocus seems to track as well as with native lenses, which is pretty good until it inexplicably looses a face (which is Fuji problem in general right now). When changing focus, the EF lenses I've used can hunt and go in and out while trying to lock on. I think that's more to do with the UMC lens motor than anything to do with the electronic connection of the speedbooster.

I bought my daughter an EF 50 1.4 USM and played with it on the T4 before I gave it to her. Autofocus hunting was horrible, but the image was very nice opened up all the way. It makes me really want a fast niffty fifty! Any suggestions out there about which EF 50 has the best autofocus performance for under $1k? I'm wondering if I should get a EF 50 to use with the speedbooster, or get a Fuji 35mm. I like manual focusing but there are times when it's great to have autofocus. Also, I'm loving the fact that the speedboster gives another stop of aperture. 

I don't know how it is with this exact speedbooster on this exact camera but I recall seeing a fairly thorough test with both the Canon 1.4 and 1.8 (STM) 50mm lenses on the Viltrox and Metabones EF->m43, and the cheaper STM 50mm performed better than the 1.4 for some reason in terms of AF, at equal apertures etc. Could be worth considering if the AF thing matters to you. The aperture is already crazy wide enough for me by the time you're x0.71'ing an f/1.8 on APS-C

Been noticing something very worrying the last couple of times I've used my XT4:

What seems to be problematic (hot?) pixels on the sensor (this is happening regardless of lens). I'll double check whether this shows up IMMEDIATELY when using the camera at all or only after a lot of minutes of use i.e. heating up.

I may need to avail of some kind of return/warranty here if this is really going to be how my camera works... I tried cleaning the sensor with air and nothing changed.

Any thoughts? Should I be getting rid of this unit ASAP?

Note: youtube has probably destroyed the quality to the point it's hard to see this... try to watch in at least 2k I guess... I did already zoom in the videos etc and used circles to indicate where I could see the bad pixels

Again, on the IBIS, anyone else using manual/dumb-adapter lenses on this thing notice that stabilisation looks COMPLETELY different when you aren't using a native/electronic lens? I mean at the exact same focal length in either case.

The IBIS is actually not hideous when you use a fully manual lens/"shoot without lens". Then back to the digusting quantum robocop mode when you put a Fuji lens back on. It's heartbreaking. Might have even stuck with my old GH5 if I knew I'd still be limited to using manual focus lenses to this extent, for such a strange reason.

On 7/27/2020 at 10:20 PM, EphraimP said:

A Metabones EF to X- mount Speedbooster hit my doorstep Friday and I've started to play with it a bit. I know it was mentioned in a conversation about EF adapters on a recent Fuji thread but I can't remember which one. I'll give my impressions on it once I'm more familiar with it, if people want that. First impression it that is produces a nice image quality with my 17-40L and 180 L macro.  I took some shots with my 70-200 L 2.8 (old non-is version) but I haven't looked at them yet. The autofocus works with both the wide and telephoto zooms, though I'm not sure yet how it compares to native lenses. I did a side-by-side setup with the wide Canon zoom on my T4 and my XF 17-55 2.8-4 but I haven't had an opportunity to look at them side by side yet.

On a separate note, I'm running a test on the T4 right now to see how long it can record in DCI 24p with HDMI out to a Ninja, not recording internally. I know internal recording has limits and possible heating issues, so I'm testing HDMI out recording first. Later I'm going to test how many times I can restart internal recording in DCI or 4K before heating is an issue. I'm recording in my home office, which 78 degrees Fahrenheit, 25.5 C for those of you who live in a place with a rational measurement system. Tomorrow I'll be using the T4 on a doc project outside with temps around 92/33 degrees, so we'll see how it does in real-world conditions.

Btw, is it possible to turn IBIS completely off on the T4? When I turn off the OIS switch on my 17-55, the IBIS option is grayed out in the menu, but the boot mode is still available? And what if I'm using an non-stabilized third party lens like my L-glass or Meike prime?

You can turn IBIS off but I believe you must also have your lens OIS off at the same time then. Or you can't have IBIS on with the (Fuji) lens OIS left off, or something. I avoid OIS lenses anyway so haven't tested myself.

When you say AF is good with the speedbooster, what type do you mean? Stills? With these adapters people seem to usually just mean this and then forget to add "oh but of course the AF-C is unusable" when asked about video AF

I'm still very disappointed in the IBIS with this camera, especially after the update, and I see people are similarly finding the Exposure "fix" update to be flawed too. I think Fuji has a strategy of releasing firmware updates that purport to address a known issue with the camera, not really actually succeed in fixing said issue, and then just hope the general (misinformed) public awareness of "oh but I heard they fixed that in an update now so it's all good!" spreads enough to keep the sales coming, and the "Fuji cares about its customer base because look at all the firmware fixes" semi-myth continues.

11 minutes ago, Brian Williams said:

Mine doesn’t, at least not yet. Definitely not after only 20 minutes. The only reports I’ve seen of overheating for the X-T4 are all the different websites quoting the one Northrup video, and who gives a shit what that a-hole has to say?

CameraConspiracies guy did seem to manage to recreate an overheat in one of the latest videos. Think he might have been using 4k60 and it was roughly after the quoted 20mins.

I used to use my GH5 to non-stop roll internal record on >1hr long live music gigs and it's a slight bummer knowing I can't do that with my XT4 now unless I get a Ninja V or something.

I can't remember if I saw yet what the overheating is like in only 1080 or lower fps 4k.

18 hours ago, Stathman said:

Just received the Viltrox EF-FX2.

Tried to use it with EF 24-70 L IS F4.0  on X-H1 but the IS of the lens is not working.

The adapter has the latest firmware version. 

I tried the workaround @colepat suggested and it worked for a second but after that it stoped working again.

Is there any other solution or is it better to send it back?

Try some of the older firmware versions from the Viltrox site.

A few months ago I had an XH1 and the EFFX2 and couldn't even get the in-body stabilisation working when the adaptor connected. Not sure if they ever fixed it all with the XH1. I returned both in the end. I hope the viltrox adapter compatibility has improved now...

Apparently when you connect an OIS lens on the XT4 and EF-FX2, you only get the lens stabilisation and it turns IBIS off. Which sounds terrible, but I can easily enough avoid lens OIS I guess.

So all these people praising the Fringer for having great AF, none of them were actually talking about video? That's annoying.

Is anyone using the Viltrox speedbooster with an XT4? Interested to know how the IBIS works now. I've noticed strange differences in the feel of the IBIS on manual and adapted lenses vs native.

I'm still not sure myself which adapter to get. If the Fringer AF really isn't good enough for video, but the Viltrox AF is just about okay for stills then that's cool with me, especially as I get wider focal reduced lenses then which really helps (in a roundabout way, yes) the poor stabilisation with XT4 and makes it easier to keep in focus /deeper DoF effect than a longer focal length too.

Really hard to find good info about the Kipon Baveyes and I don't think I ever wanna spend what the Metabones costs, good as it sounds.

God this would be cool if it included Ireland.

Not even northern Ireland included, I suppose.

If I was still trying to get paid video gigs I can't imagine I wouldn't be hungrily trying to use this in lieu of actual rental of a lens or camera or two!