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I coach HS Varsity Track and have been coaching for year with modifications - we are outdoors mostly and I don't need to have a mortgage riding for me to expect good AF. I am open to evidence/videos showing that the Panasonic Full-Frame cameras have good enough AF for sports - I have no allegiance to a brand but I do to AF and image/color. So I am open and look forward to any references for Panasonic before I go out and purchase a camera/lens combo over the next week. Thanks in advance! This doesn't make sense to me at all but I am open to hearing you unpack this statement. Anyone looking to purchase a camera system should want a system that allows them to capture the images they want. I am not spending $5-10k on a body but in a "prosumer" market I think it is a fair ask and based on sales, videos on YouTube, article write-ups I seem to be in the majority on this but again i am open to seeing a different angle if you can articulate it more deeply for me. Again, thanks! I think you're focusing solely on photos and I need access to both for my goals (video/photo) and AF is important in both domains. i feel like this encapsulates my perspective as a "prosumer"/"hobbyist"

But the AF wouldn't be helpful for sports, etc. in Video or Photo so that feels like a non-starter? I am not opposed to 2-cameras but I am *not* a professional. I am doing this for personal travel, family and for the students I work with as their teacher (mini-docs/sports - video/photo) This gives me more confidence to snag an R6 this week. I really do like the images of the S5/S1H but the autofocus is a huge dealbreaker. I like some of the images of the a7IV but the skin tones and color just need too much work for the amount of time i'm willing to invest. I'm convinced, thanks to this forum, that I will need to step-up my color correction game in the coming months when I shoot but I'd rather start with a product I know will produce images/color I like such as Canon. If I go with an R6 i don't believe i'll need a separate body as I think the video/photo output is top of its class. If Panasonic had phenomenal AF for video but not photo then I'd can a Canon EOS R for photo and Panasonic S5/S1H for video but alas that's not reality. I could also wait for Panasonic to maybe come out with AF that is good enough, but when will that be? How many chances to create will be missed? It's truly amazing and frustrating how fast technology is moving.

I believe the extra-stop is needed indoors based on my a7III experience (f/2.8 or faster) photos are awesome! I agree 70-200 seems like a need and I am now debating whether or not to pair it with a 24 or 35 to start (doc/sports/travel)

Well said ... Doing some quick math: 1. 24-105 f/4 would be , plus for a 24 and 85 f/1.8 - or thereabouts 2. 70-200 f/2.8 would be used, plus 24 f/1.8 ( i don't think i'd need a 85 1.8 since 70-200 2.8 should be good enough on the R6) Thoughts?

Thanks it does help! My mind is only made up because I've yet to see Sony rival Canon's color/image to my eyes ... if it did I'd have no problem because brand loyalty is a non-issue for me, personally. Are you aware of any videos comparing this? It seems you are right that if I want to use Clog3 i'll have to learn a bit of colorgrading but it seems that dropping a rec709 lut and doing some minor grading is something I should be able to pickup - that does seem like a different process than me saying I am not sure i'd want to learn or spend time trying to get skintones/colors of a Sony file as close as I can to a Canon and still fall short with a bit of disappointment. Am I correct?

Thanks Mark! I am curious on a few comments you wrote: It does make sense I should learn to do some CC - and I will be using FCP - any good videos/free tutors online you suggest? I'm thinking a Sigma or used Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8 as well as a 24 f/1.8 used any big issue going 3rd party to save a few bucks? The commnet on the Panny bodies - are you saying their AF is trash as I understand it? The S1/S5 color does seem to rival Canon and I could see myself going there but the Canon AF makes it a must have for photo/video especially for a smuck amateur like myself lol Oh! I've been asking folks but having gotten much response - any places you suggest getting used bodies/lenses? BH? MBP? KEH? all are reputable?

Yes based on functionality for pros/prosumers, and "on-paper" stats I think you make a good argument. At the end of the day when I'm watching content and see green/yellow shift in color my brain is like "this looks like shit" regardless of DR, resolve, or how easy it was for the creator to make that product - i'm looking at an image and my brain is calculating how much I like that image and huge component of which is determined by the color production. When I show random family/friends video the two things they *only* comment are are color and resolve/sharpness. I am producing these things for me 1st (image wise) and instructional/emotional products for my athletes, parents, and my personal family/friends. That, for me, means that the work needed on Sony to get the color (1/2 the color/resolve equation I am arguing) takes too much knowledge and time. So even if I could learn how to color correct videos over a few months the time it would take to do it is a non-starter for me. I am in control of making videos ... I have no deadlines, I have no one with whom I rely on being paid for this content - I am the customer - if that makes sense? That excludes Sony - for me, for now - Canon is 1 as I would get great color, ISO, and AF with good enough resolve/sharpness, Panasonic is 2 though the AF means i'd need a 2nd camera for photo definitely and maybe I could focus manually on video, and maybe Fuji 3rd - though their ISO performance/Weak AF rule them out. Based on that - any flaws in my personal situation?

I am actually selling my A7III - I do not like the SOOC color. I am not a pro and don't get paid for this. I don't have the time to color grade much - especially video. The Fuji/Panasonic/Canon colors are what draws my eye and I am most concerned with my opinion when producing as opposed to someone who does this for a living and cares about pleasing clients. I was not impressed with the image on the A7IV compared to the aforementioned camera systems regarding color/image - though I do acknowledge it does look "good" just not as desirable as, say, Canon colors/image for me (Clog3 images seem superior to Cinetone for *me*). I don't know, personally, if the R6 and EF adapters work but this video shows it does: EF lenses adapted The images that got me to R6: Video 1, Video 2 Again - shooting for passion/fun (documentary interviews, sports indoor/outdoor, travel/family holidays)

It sounds, to me, that 24 f/1.8 and a 70-200 f/2.8 should cover most of what I need for my mini doc interviews, filming/photos for track and field (indoor/out) and family events (indoor/out)

Excellent response. You've made me think and I think my response is that I am never really in a situation that I can't change lenses - shooting mini controlled docs don't necessitate rapid changes in lens distance. Also for sports it's fairly controlled on Track and Field - i can anticipate distance ahead of an event and use the appropriate lens. I'm thinking that a 70-200 is 100% necessary for video/photo needs BUT ironically i think the beloved 24-70 is a wasted set of focal lengths? Doesn't it make more sense to do this: 70-200 f/2.8 zoom (sigma or canon EF w/Adapter to R6) 16-35 f/2.8 zoom OR 16 and 35 primes?

I am creating: Videos for athletes instructional - on a field, a track, and weight room performances - on a track (indoor/outdoor) Videos for HS students how to read complex texts, writing strategies, organization, etc. Videos for Family family parties, baby showers, birthday parties, holidays, trips Videos for Travel my trips and experiences (mostly cinematic w/ music) Photos for athletes training and performance (indoor track/outdoor track) Photos for Family family parties, baby showers, birthday parties, holidays, trips Photos for Travel my trips and experiences Photos for Friends their babies, portraits, family photos, etc. I've had a Fuji XT3 - LOVED the color but the ISO performance and autofocus made it not a good fit. I'd be standing next to another person who had a Canon/Sony and they'd have the ISO/autofocus and get shots I missed (we even swapped bodies to try and they couldn't get a good shot or they would and the grain would look ugly at higher ISO or shutter speeds) so I decided to follow the next body. Then I went to Sony A7III - LOVED that autofocus, liked the ISO performance compared to Fuji BUT it took too much work to get the color I wanted (love the fuji/canon colors bar none). I am not a pro/paid hybrid shooter and may at some point learn to color grade but the reality is even then it will consume time that I really don't have so SOOC and/or minor tweeks like a drop-in LUT with a few curve moves for the whole video and done - not grading and matching 100s of clips. Now ... Canon R6 with adapter for EF lenses - this is my top move currently ... I can't think of a single body that will give me the ability to get the colors, ISO, and AF qualities I seek. 20mp is perfect for what I need and low enough to give me great to excellent ISO performance/low light performance. I do like the colors from Panasonics S1H/S5 but the AF seems like a dealbreaker? I could go with a Panasonic S1H/S5 for video on my documentary/narrative and get a significantly cheaper body for photos, but which body would be relatively cheap and have great ISO/AF? Would they be able to share lenses? If the Panasonics had AF equal to Sony/Canon then it may make it a closer choice with the R6 so that is my dilemma - go with the R6 or find 2 bodies ...

How do you see the best way to capture your photos and videos?

Thanks! Where do you recommend I look for used glass? Also, not familiar with the adapters you mentioned - any good places to buy/read up on? I'm actually thinking of purchasing the R6 body on Amazon and find a place to buy the used lenses

Thank you! I will reread this several times to process - great stuff here! I am curious why you're not recommending the 24-105 that most are? I am curious what the average cost will be for your suggestion? I like the idea just would like to unpack this a bit. I like the idea of used/adapter as it may be cheaper - how's the quality - any major loss? Lastly, why not 3rd party. like Sigma/Tamron?

I'm sold! Thanks all - I can use the 24-105 to see how often i use different focal lengths and then get primes that meet those goals with faster speeds. looks like amazon has the best inventory.

I have no canon lenses! My brain turned back on and I remember that my thought process with my A7III was to buy a 24-70 equivalent and then add a wide 14-16 and a macro 85-135 instead of another zoom? Could that get me covered for docs, sports, etc? Thanks! I like the discussion of 24-70f/2.8 vs. 24-105 f/4. What are the pros and cons of each? If i go with the 24-70 f/2.8 I would add a 14-16 and 85, 100, or 135 over a few months/year If I go with 24-105 f/4 i'd probably need the same add-on lenses ? I'd need 1-2 faster (1.8) primes to deal with low light situations?

Sadly the autofocus on those is a non-starter.

Moving to R6 and would like to get some help with analysis for practical use as well as financial options. Between Now and March I will be ... -Filming short documentary interviews, b-roll for my students (teach history, politics, reading, writing, etc.) should be decently lit with sun, etc. -Filming/Photo events (baby shower, holiday parties) should be both a mix of well-light and low light situations -Filming/Photo Track and Field (indoor and outdoor) a mix of well-light and low light situations Next Spring/Summer I will be ... -Filming documentary/cinematic road trip across the west coast of the US and a mix of well-light and low light situations Zooms (16-35; 24-70; 70-200) Primes (35, 85, 135) It seems that EF mount with an adapter is a good way to go to save $$$ over RF mount, so I am open to those options. What lenses, combos, etc. would make most sense now versus being able to put off till a later date? Thoughts on EF vs. RF Thoughts on 3rd party EF/RF vs. Canon?

Looks like it's time to sell the A7III body, maybe to KEH. I'll keep the Tamron 24-70 2.8 lens until I know the Canon R6 is my next move! Thanks!

Curious if you have footage that you can link - in the market for a r5/r6 for persona/travel purposes as you noted and the occasional sports game/mini doc for education

100% It's a patient and logical idea - thanks! Yea - i'll see how the color space looks on the a7IV when videos come out in the next few weeks. The comment on the R5 makes me hopeful. I really, also, like the idea of being able to use cheaper EF mount lenses with no degradation in quality of image or autofocus. Funny you say that! I don't us a PP and learned that from Kraig Adams and his videos on YouTube (epic travel/hiking videos - 100% must watch!). But when I look at a video from Canon there is just a magical quality that draws me in and those I watch with. I really want to have that on Sony due to the other factors that make Sony excellent. NLE - FCP That's probably true and makes sense, but as I noted - I'm a full-time educator and due this for hobby/work stuff and don't have the time to put a lot of effort - so SOOC is most likely what i'll be able to do with light curve adjustments and then process/edit move-on.

I've included a poll. I am looking to get better video/photos SOOC. I'm a full-time teacher and don't have the time/space to learn colorgrading or even colorgrade much more than basic adjustments. I've enjoyed my a7III over my previous XT4. That said the skin tones and color just don't cut it for me. Looking for Advice. Canon vs. Sony only ... Panasonic/Fuji autofocus takes them out of the running. Thoughts?

I'm looking to upgrade from my A7III - I like a lot of the images i'm seeing from Canon's R5/R6 line. That said, I may wait till the A7IV comes out as I am not seeing too many upsides of image quality of a7sIII except in low-light. Any thoughts for a hybrid shooter (documentary, run-and-gun, travel, family events, sporting events - photo/video) upgrading for color, highlight roll-off, etc.

This is a hobby for me and my investment waxes and wanes - this is by far my favorite forum for discourse and reviews on equipment, etc. I rarely participate, i'm an unknown but I always check this site and forum - it would be a shame to lose this connection!

Thanks! I think I will remove the green screen and get a few background lights to give depth! The Deity D3, I believe can be boomed above my head and off camera, but plugged (butt plugged) in. I wouldn't use it on top of the mic