Simon Young

I know why moiré and aliasing occurs and of course there are differences but as someone who has had important shots ruined by it and a as someone with a heavy addiction I’ve owned and tested more cameras than what is considered to be sane. And I can tell you this: a good olpf clearly makes a whole lot of difference both with regards to moiré suppression and the texture of details in the image. Canon R5(c) and the Sony A9iii has stood out to me when it comes to this. The whole A9-series have very good OLPFs and the latest iteration is no exception. Canon usually does well in the cinema department too and the perfect downscaled 8K to 4K and an OLPF is very effective on the R5-series. There is a reason the Sony Venice and the Alexas have dedicated teams who only work on producing the most effective OLPF possible.

No OLPF, tons of moiré and slower readout than the much cheaper Z6iii (with excellent n-raw). Thanks but no thanks.

And not a single Word on an OLPF in the white papers. Probably saving that for the S1Hii coming in a decade.

Nevermind: https://m.weibo.cn/status/Prx4YF8NX?jumpfrom=weibocom#&gid=1&pid=8

If you have access to the white papers then share them here.

That is all well and good but if they don’t offer a better OLPF than the z6iii and still have the gall to charge 1000 euros more then they can burn. And we still don’t know the readout speeds in open gate or with their dynamic range enhancement enabled. I’m getting more and more convinced that the C80 is the one for me, ticks all the boxes, ugly behemoth of a body with a consumer hating RF-mount nothwitstanding. 6k, decent OLPF, internal raw and a proven 9,5ms readout in all oversampled modes.

Yes but that's is what the S1ii is supposed to deliver, the 50fps 4k. But it's a piece if shit if it suffers from the same moiré that plagues the Z6iii and the s5ii anyway. And supposedly for 3500 euros 🤣

Specifications on the S1iiE leaked: https://latam.connect.panasonic.com/mx/es/productos/lumix/lumix-s1iie Not very exciting apart from the Arri logC information. Between the lines this seems to carry a tweaked IMX410 once again.

I mean if they use some sort of z6iii sensor with the same sort of read out speed but put a great OLPF in front of it plus Arri logC I’m kind of interested.

The latest rumor is they are releasing TWO cameras: S1ii and S1iix - the latter I presume more video oriented. I really hope they use the Z6iii sensor (as speculated) and that the S1iix is a more compact form factor, with no EVF, bigger fan, no IBIS and a thick OLPF.

What makes the Komodo special is the look of global shutter and 16bit raw, but more than this a terrific OLPF. I'm not in the market and agree it's not as convenient as mirrorless setups, so here's hoping that Nikon puts a strong and well engineered OLPF in their upcoming cameras focused on video. I owned both the Z8 and the Z6III, terrific cameras, usable in most situations but plagued by moiré.

I’d rather wait for the Nikon/RED version https://nikonrumors.com/2025/03/13/new-nikon-z-video-oriented-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-later-this-year-similar-to-the-sony-fx3.aspx/

Funnily enough the S1Rii makes the OG Canon R5 look like a bargain. The R5 used prices here in Sweden is about half the price of a new S1rii and after all the firmware updates the R5 (initial overheating notwithstanding) is reliable in all recording modes under 30p. And has a far faster sensor even though it's not stacked. As a photo camera I only imagine it's vastly more refined than the Lumix.

Ask Canon why they put an OLPF in their photography focused R5.

Maybe great for stills but underwhelming for video. Disgraceful RS numbers and no OLPF.

More like a carbon copy of the Zeiss ZX1 minus the fixed lens. That camera was a smash hit.

To each their own. But talking about rolling shutter as being only a problem when shooting handheld at 200mm open gate is frankly ridiculous. RS impacts handheld motion at every focal length and whenever there is moderately fast movement in a scene. The Alexass are all sub 8m which is what is passable to my eyes. Once you go global shutter it’s hard to go back is all I can say. Your eyes don’t scan reality from top to bottom, left to right, do they? 😂😂😂

Wow, this sounds extremely generic. Are you a bot? What do you mean correct skin tones? And have you ever shot positive film? Really huge dynamic range 😂 Regurgitating basic statements you’ve seen in the pseudointellectual “serious film making space” on YouTube like:“COmPoSitioN and liGhtiNg” is IMPORTANT, is absolutely void of any meaning in this discussion since I was talking about image quality from a technical point of view with regards to a particular camera, not an artistic and subjective one.

The three single most important things to a beautiful image is low rolling shutter, minimal artefacts such as moiré and a nice highlight roll off. The S5(II)(x) perform abysmally when it comes to both low RS and moiré. The moiré on those cameras make them borderline unusable. I truly hope this new Lumix will perform better but I’m not holding my breath. Otherwise a big fan of Lumix when it comes to colors, DR, reliability (beautiful active cooling solution on the s5ii(x) and overall video features. Shame they only put a low pass filter in their varicam line and S1h.

As a serious addict I’ve owned the R5 and the R5C several times and sold them several times. I do miss the R5C though, amazing camera, for me the lack of ibis is a positive and one touch white balance (which is surprisingly accurate, whereas a whole lot of digging through menus and taking a photo the archaic way with the R5 is frankly retarded) and the false colors are amazing and usable tools. Other pros versus the R5 are of course the codecs and the constant downsampling, no matter if you’re shooting 4k or 1080p, s35 or full frame. My favourite mode was the s35 6k raw with manageable file sizes and very little rolling shutter, around 10ms. And whatever people say, the R5C has clearly more dynamic range than the R5, and it has colors more in line with the other cinema cameras. Oh, and the wide dr color profile is excellent for fast turnarounds.

Is the 4K raw downsampled from 6K, thus not really raw?

Olympus colors never disappoint! Would be really cool to see some 4k 10bit footage in 25p as well.

One thing I think is overlooked is how insanely fast the sensor of the OM-1 is. Codecs, color science, bit rates and everything else aside, to me the OM-1 always seemed like the closest thing to a digital bolex available today. It's a real shame so few good examples of the video performance is posted online, would love to see some more to judge motion cadence etc. I've also heard the OM-1 is very hard to get to overheat when recording video, which is always a plus.

It's up again 🙂

I had a hard time listening to the dude next to the Panasonic man, but the interview is intercut with logC footage from the GH7 and a longer bit in the end of the video, shot in auto exposure for some daft reason. But the colors look really good to me, better and more Alexa-like than a color space transform in DaVinci, for sure.