Borbarad

5 hours ago, Cinegain said:

First Casey, now for the next! Will the GH5 be the new T2i?

 

Should I be surprised ? No I love the GH5. With the new AF Fix ( how to set it up) it's amazing but even before it was great. As a Hybrid, Panasonic fixed everything the GH4 wasn't really good at. The CAF in still is a blessing now! Can use my 300mm now .....

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GH5 AF Fix done??? It seems!!! See video description for details!

Works with 4K 60p and also slightly slower with 24p

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Another one....

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So much about awful the GH5 AF.........

Well, its seems their is a nice learning curve in howto.... and then the GH5 does AF

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Well, depends on your Budget.

Focal Elear or Utopia, Audeze LCD-X, Hifiman HEX V2, Sennheiser HD800s... just a few. Personal, I use the Elear. Amazing Value for Money.. Haven't listen to the Utopia yet. So the best I've listen to so far is the LCD-X.

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Lok finally has a GH5 

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Well since im still waiting for my GH5 (got the wrong delivery - with standard 12-60 and not PL 12-60)  I went back the GH4 for a small video. Found out that the Touchscreen is dead. The GH4 in itself works. Not a single issue. However not the touch function. Doesn't matter if I turn it on or off, camera reset or just re-install the latest firmware. No touch functions.

Anyone encountered the same issue?  Possible fix?

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2 hours ago, jonpais said:

'Splash resistant' is hardly reassuring, and I would never subject my Panasonic to any moisture if at all possible. It's just marketing. What's the IP rating? You've thrown everything you can at me, but I'll help you. Next you're going to say that only Panasonic lenses can perform the pull focus trick. But wait until everyone starts using it and complains about focus breathing.

No sherpa needed. Lenses: Leica 42.5mm f/1.2, Leica 12mm f/1.4, Olympus 25mm f/1.2, Olympus 75mm f/1.8

 

Well, what I know is that the IP rating is more about what they would cover under warranty and not whats capable. Was under NDA with Olympus a few years ago.

What we have done with 4/3 m4/3 stuff is s lot more, from freezing, drowning, totally covered in mud, cleaning in river water, under the shower and what else.. at least until now they survived a beating on the heavy side. And there is a lot online, just google for it.

It's probably the best system out there suitable for the great outdoors and expeditions / adventures from a durability perspective.

The Focus pull is probably good to great but not on my list of interesting features .....

15 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Not talking about sheep, I'm talking about the extraordinary Olympus 75mm f/1.8, one of the best telephoto lenses in the m43 system. As for needing a sherpa, I can fit my Leica 42.5mm f/1.2, Leica 12mm f/1.4, Oly 25mm f/1.2 and Oly 75mm f/1.8 in a tiny handbag. No need for an assistant! Actually, for those who already own one a Panny or Oly wide zoom, you'd be better off getting the Olympus 75mm f/1.8 if you need the extra reach, rather than buying another zoom.

Correct!

But I'm not interested in primes as I have the Leica M for that anyway. What I need is AF a good standard zoom and the long end and weather resistant stuff. Now video is on the list as well.

There is a rumor ongoing that there are 1 or 2 pro long Tele lenses in the making... so I don't know  if I will stick to my current plan to get away with

12-60

50-200

300

That's very compact.

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35 minutes ago, jonpais said:

 

Are you suffering from temporary amnesia, B?

WTF???

I'm one of this hybrid users, that group  that's does photo mainly but also now wants video. My lens selection is not based on video but photo. And that's were I need zooms, AF and long wildlife lenses. And as I used 4/3 since the E1 I know quite well what the system does offer....

For Street, Documentary and all the other nice stuff I have a Leica M.

And of course I don't want a Sherpa for my gear.

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1 hour ago, jonpais said:

I see several here who already own the Oly 12-40mm f/2.8 or Panny 12-35mm f/2.8 who are planning to sell and get the PL 12-60mm f/2.8-4. Any reason not to keep your lens and get the excellent Panasonic 35-100mm f/2.8, or, failing that, the soon TBR PanLeica 50-200mm f/2.8-4 instead?

Well it's actually very interesting what's  going on with m4/3 and I have to admit that being a longterm  Olympus user!

The most loved original 4/3 leneses despite faster offerings were the Olympus  12-60 2.8-4 and 50-200 2.8-4.

And for the first time I think Olympus will loose the position to Panasonic with the GH5 and the new Leica lenses.

If if you take this list:

GH5

12-60 2.8-4

50-200 2.8-4

8-18 2.8-4

12mm 1.4

42.5 1.2

what are the  realistic choices from the Olympus lineup that could be of interest?

300mm F4

25mm 1.2

.... that's really it.  Sounds harsh if you look at some faster zoom offerings but I've used 4/3 and m4/3.

however, there is one more lens I wish for that should be made again for m4/3 - the little tuna known as the 150mm F2. Still the best if take into account the 4/3 lenses as well. Outstanding sharpness, microcontrast, bokeh etc. and that at F2. No need for stepping down!!!!

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19 minutes ago, Ki Rin said:

Ok, so the DFD will affect focus tracking as well?

Not right.

First of all it's Contrast vs Phase detection AF.

The EM1 MKI / II uses both.

The GH4/5 only contrast. Single AF is quick enough, but CAF can be a nightmare currently.

In order to get close to the AF phase detection speed Panasonic invented DFD with the GH4( and used afterwards). The basic idea is that the contrast AF knows exactly the Type of lens used, how it's characteristic are in regards to the focus field and the out of focus rendering/ behavior  at each focal length. This gives theoretical  Panasonic contrast based AF a big advantage  compared to other lenses or contrast AF Systems.

And the GH5 has the next generation DFD 2.0 AF

How good it is really no one knows at the Moment, but dpreview thinks that the GH5 has by far the best contrast AF of all cameras for now as they did a test. Not as good as the best Phase Detection AF like Nikon/ Canon or the EM1 MKII, but enough for the none-sport or -wildlife shooter.

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1 hour ago, jonpais said:

Okay, if you don't care about onion bokeh balls, I can dig that. And if you're not convinced that dual IBIS is really not all that important (although I've shot with both Olympus and Sigma lenses, shared my results here, and the in-body stabilization works just fine), cool beans. And if you still believe the GH5's contrast AF will be good enough for your work, that's wonderful, I can go along with all that, but - what about this supposed zoom range advantage? Is it really all that useful? I would think, going by that logic, that the Olympus 12-100 would be far more useful, and it's going to be a superior lens. Because 60mm is neither here nor there as far as I can tell. For those who care about such matters, the Olympus has 80mm longer reach (FF equiv.) and weighs little more than 1-1/3 iPhones more than the Leica.

Well, I'm not a Videoguy as my background ist Photo and my main Camera is a Leica M ( second System was always (m)4/3 ). So I've used some lenses.

Bokeh / rendering details aside the question is more what do you want from the lens? 

The for me biggest thing is AF and Zoomrange. As I said I used the 12-60 ZuikoPro before and know the Versatility of this range.  The 12-40 is a great lens but for a walk about just a tad to short. I'm not so much in need of 200mm but more of 100-140 if required. 

The other thing is AF. I used all the Pro Olympus from E1 to E1 MKI but switched to the GH4 a year ago due to Video. I was quite surprised by the GH4 ergonomics - very well executed. Better than the EM1 for me. But the AF is shocking. It can work but most of the time It's simple not good. I use the 300mm F4 and often I use MF because of the awefull AF. From what I've seen and read so far the GH5 seems on paar with the EM1 MKI or slightly better. That's definitely a relief!!!.

So, this brings me to why the 12-60: I don't bother with 2.8 to 4 because that's more than good enough for an everyday zoom. Next is AF. The GH5 will have the required DFD map for AF. Olympus lenses will not be mapped at all for now. Next is dual IS2 for best handheld shots. Then the Zoom range is versatile enough. And then the is size as well.

So, the 12-60 is for me the best everyday lens. You might go for the 12-100? Well you can. But you won't get the fastest AF, the DUAL IS and it's far far bigger when zoomed out.

now you might've ask why I have the 300mm and not the 100-400 if I talk about DFD Af. Well the 300mm is just so much better optically........

Just as an example for my shooting requirements for a standard zoom: from inside a driving 4x4 car on a dusty bumpy road ( do that lot when traveling).

If I want rendering than I would go for a Prime like the 12 1.4, 25 1.2 or 42.5 1.2. anyway.

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12-60 is the one I would get, well I've ordered mine with the GH5.

I have also the 12-40 which go on sale once the GH5 arrives.

The 12-40 has the constant F2.8 and the MF clutch.

However, the 12-60 will give you the more versatile zoom range ( used to have the 12-60 4/3 Zuiko), the better AF as it's optimized for DFD and has the better Dual IS2. In Short it is the better lens for run and gun, for handheld works.

If DOF is required then if would go for a Prime anyway.

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17 minutes ago, Vesku said:

But there is no other sensor for AF. How a sensor can read different fps for video and for AF. What if the shutter angle is 360, it uses the whole time exposing video frame.

In simple terms a Video is nothing more than single photos stacked together . So what the sensor does it takes single images at a the reduced 4K resolution (about 8MP) between 24 and 60 FPS with an electronic shutter or it takes full resolution (about 20MP) at max.  9FPS via electric or mechanical shutter. that's all.

AF confirmation is not a single frame like a photo taken and recorded, it's in simple terms like checking the status of a pixel or pixel area (I.e. what does the pixel see; or like asking "are you there?" 480 times per second)

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55 minutes ago, Vesku said:

Yes in photos but in VIDEO:

24P - 24 AF samples/second

30P - 30 AF samples/second

60P - 60 AF samples/second

Makes no sense.

in return this would mean the camera shots 480 FPS and it doesn't. It does 9 FPS but reads the sensor still 480 times for AF confirmation.

So why shouldn't  the GH5 shoot photos at 4K resolution at 24/30/50/60 FPS and still reads the sensor at 480 times?

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31 minutes ago, Cas1 said:

I think the biggest distraction of the AF is the reverse focus pull, aka focus confirmation rack.

I also believe it can be corrected in software.

If Panasonic can calculate DFD 240 times a second, I think they can calculate subject distance, relative speed, and to smoothly rack focus to the distance that is calculated 240 times a second from noticing the change in blur. Overshooting and racking back is ok for slow individual photos, but NOT for video. Actually when I think of it, I rather have 1 DFD focus rack estimate and rack and stop, then have rack stop and reverse. Man I would love to see how this software is designed. I think amping up the amount of measurements is never going to prevent the focus confirmation rack.

Well, there is good video about the GH5 AF on YouTube :

On the AF speed issue:

gh4: 240 times a second but only each 6th frame for AF. This results in 40 times a second only

gh5: 480 times a second and each frame

-> it's 40 vs 480 times a Second for AF confirmation. 

The GH5 is the first Pana that has the next generation DFD built in.

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2 hours ago, AKED-M said:

@Borbarad

Here a comparison gimbal to Dual IBIS etc. 

 

Thanks, but I knew that one. I was referring to the one above because of the fast movements.

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Really impressive!!!!!!!

A comparison between the Gimbal used and Dual IS2 would be nice as well.

Another one:

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1 hour ago, Phil A said:

https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Panasonic-GH5---8-Bit--10-Bit--4-2-2--V-Log-L---alles-OK--.html

Next part of the Slashcam review, testing 8bit vs 10bit and V-Log L.

Summary:

• They say there is some issues how NLEs interpret the white point and black point of the footage
  In Premiere Pro CC neither 8bit nor 10bit fit to the whitepaper from Panasonic.
  In Media Player Classic - Home Cinema the files look exactly the same
  In Davinci Resolve under OSX the files are different again, even in comparison to Premiere Pro on Windows
  In FinalCut X the files are practically identical but they can't really judge the white and black point because it gives % instead of values
• Latitude for grading with V Log is, as expected, better with the 10bit material than the 8bit. A lot less posterization when bending the image.
• They think both Adobe and Blackmagic have to fix compatibility within their software to really make the most out of the footage and be able to actually judge the 10bit V Log of the GH5

Thanks for the link!!! Excellent read!!!

i think cinema5D is now in real trouble and we should have a separate blog entry here to discuss openly their findings.

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Well, lets see now!

panasonic will issue a statement about cinema 5d findings:

http://www.43rumors.com/cinema5d-gh5-test-controversy-panasonic-will-issue-an-official-statement-to-us-later-this-week/

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6 minutes ago, Fritz Pierre said:

With every new GH release Panasonic is now taking the camera to a whole  new level...and then everybody else tries to  play catch up....although for my needs, the competition never quite does...that leaves the only other alternative, of attacking the camera....spreading false rumors and doing tests and a review in a "lab" that's frankly ridiculous....The why does not concern me...all on a camera that is not officially out in the world yet....and the samples which were produced in the first footage release, were by people who only had the camera in their possession for a few days....and yet...already some lovely footage out there....will only fully be upgraded with the high bit-rate FW in the late Summer of 2017....most people who have used GH4's in the past, know how robust and reliable these cameras are and understand that if used properly they excel,  have probably already made up their mind anyway!....Not sure why Panasonic passed up Andrew Reid with a pre-release model (a strategic mistake in my view, on their part) as even in spite of that, Andrew is maintaining an objective viewpoint of this camera's ability....I appreciate his integrity though, and as with all reviews, be it films, cameras or books....you find the resource you trust for information, and discard the crap....

 Totally agree! Everybody things the A7sIII will be the one, but I hardly believe at this stage the will even do 10Bit internal and then fix some of the other "issues" (i.e. fix the body).

If you read the PDF and watch at some of those lengthy explanation Videos  you would realize that the GH5 will be a feature monster. As for video quality im not worried the slightest as it builds up on the great GH4. Moreover the GH5 might be the fist one where Panasonic is on top of Olympus. 

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Thanks for the article!

I also read the cinema5D "review" and thought that something doesn't stack up. First I taught that their samples really didn't provided the clear evidence and then the text wasn't lined up properly.  On top it should also be clear that the upcoming 400 codec is made for 10Bit,as this was stated elsewhere ( the PDF or?)

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AFC Tests:

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4 hours ago, jonpais said:

If by meaningless, you mean that none of the videos we've seen up till now mentioned which settings they used for AF-C sensitivity and speed in video... maybe you're right!

Not just that, but also statement like AF is not good blablabla.....because in simple terms the AF System wasn't used as it should be.

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