John Matthews

I've been trying and liking this recently... I'm just curious what settings were you using for it?

Somehow I missed this review of the GX80's IBIS vs the GX8... interesting.

I'm wondering if this has anything to do with Panasonic not giving a 100% live view in A and S modes like it does in M mode... IMO, this has to do more with contrast-based focus. I'm guessing they will eventually opt for phase and contrast, but I imagine it'll take some time. In video A and S mode, it'll save the ISO setting, but I think it's only saving the ISO at the time of starting the recording... it'll then adjust later in the video if the lighting changes and you didn't lock the ISO with the AE Lock button. IMO it should communicated the ISO upon hitting the AE Lock, but it doesn't.

Well, I imagine many cameras don't display auto ISO levels when recording video in S or A mode; and, you're right they probably should do it. But honestly, S and A modes are foreign to me now in video mode and I think most people are routinely in M mode with ND filters or stepless aperture lenses for minor exposure adjustments. In all the photography-related modes auto ISO is displayed on the GX80.

I have yet to see clips with IBIS on like the first three clips you showed. The floaty one is more like it... not sure what's going on... I don't have a Dual IS capable lens; so, I can't say. The first 3 clips are as if they were filmed on a A6300 with no IS. If you're not getting consistent results with the same settings, I'd say something is wrong. Do more tests and make sure the settings are correct... 4k movie mode, 180 degree shutter speed, etc. Maybe someone else has some ideas...

Agreed... and that's a fair price for that lens too.

I only use the shutter for starting and stopping video in 4k movie mode. I just set up a C mode (that is movie M mode), had the camera set for F4, 1/50, ISO 200, WB, etc.- that's my starting point whenever I film. For photos, I slap in A mode or M mode. I used to have a RX100... could only shoot it reliably in S mode- hated it, but go some nice shots. I would also like this lens, but it's more expensive than the Samyang and it has a ton of distortion (not on video though). I wish there was another option.

An ISO invariant sensor is really cool. Most Canons don't have it; hence blown highlights. Many photographers (including pros) talk about this. Minimum shutters at programmable ISOs is a feature that would be easy to put in a camera nonetheless... maybe next version. Not sure about the new version of the LX100 (supposedly LX15). I think a new lens might be what you need for the GX85 as I think a GX85 (with the 12-32) isn't much of an upgrade when comparing it to the LX100. If I were you, I'd go for something wider than the 30mm; or, are you going to still use the LX100?

I do have another thought regarding the ISO. The GX85 is ISO invariant up to ISO 1600. My recommendation would be to take photos in M at ISO 200 (native ISO) and just shoot away in RAW only mode. Don't chimp the photos because you won't be happy- way too dark. Take them into Lightroom or whatever and adjust your exposure. Shoot like this will mean you have the same amount of noise in your shadows as you would shooting at ISO1600, but you don't blow the highlights. Also, you can just set the SS to your liking in M mode. As long as the conditions don't require anything above ISO 1600, you'll get good results. For someone who cannot do this (i.e.- my wife), I just put into P mode and hope for the best. The GX85's IBIS issue would definitely be floating if anything. Personally, I just try to minimize with technique as much as possible; the rest is left to software if necessary. I sure am happy with taking out the micro-jitters though. The NX1 was/is a great camera- hold on to it because it might have more value one day since camera manufacturers can't seem to replicate its functionality. Again though, the GX85 (with the 12-32) is a much smaller package and not really comparable to the NX1 (with OIS lens). The EM1 mkii could be a winner, but it's competing more with the GH5, which could have even better IBIS/ DUAL IS than the GX85. We'll see. The LX100 is a sleeper video camera though at the wide end. I wouldn't mind picking it up just for that alone. Quirky, yes, but still quite capable. Panasonic/Olypus can't seem to make a cheaper 12mm; really the only option when on a lower budget is the Samyang 12mm F2.0... or you get a used LX100 and you get a even wider and brighter lens with the option of a second body... still thinking this one through.

Sounds like your main beef with the camera is how it/you manage ISO. I really haven't found it that much of a big deal. I just use the ISO button Panasonic gave us. When I'm outside, I just leave at ISO 200 or Auto ISO in Aperture priority mode... shutter always seems high enough for me. Of course, I mainly use the 25mm f1.7 prime. Inside, I just leave in in Auto in Shutter priority or manual. For video, manual is the only option, typically with an ND on it... no need really. For the IBIS, a few people have voiced their frustrations, many are using the 12-32. Have people been having good experiences with that lens? You mention the E-M1... are you shooting in 4k with the Panasonic? I'd think it important to compare apples to apples. The GX85's IBIS is still significantly better than the GX8, GH4, LX100, G7, every canon, every nikon, every pentax, etc. I'm sure they'll only get better. Personally, I'm very happy. No, it's not a gimble, but it takes out my micro jitters which is probably all I want from IBIS anyway.

According to rumors, the update to the G7 and LX100 will be announced around September 19, 2016 and I imagine availability will be in November/December 2016 (in time for X-mas) . I received my GX80 on May 20, 2016. That's a total of 6 months at being the newest. That seems on par with other Panasonic cameras I guess. Actually, I thought the earthquake in Japan would have had an even bigger impact for Panasonic as I believe Sony was making these sensors. Really, the GH5 availability will be the big question.

I got this one : https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B018SK5VVQ/ref=pe_386181_135508941_TE_3p_dp_1

I got mine from www.digit-photo.com simply because they were the first to have in France. You could buy it anywhere though. In France, I always have a preference for amazon.fr because of a crazy-good return policy if you're not happy. Returned GX7 after using for 2 weeks and taking over 1000 photos, but then the GX80 came out; so, sent it back. Bonne chance!

Yes. You need the Panasonic adapter or a third party one. I bought the 3rd party one- works fine. Basically, you put a battery-shaped plug where the battery goes, but it has a cord coming out so you can plug it into an outlet. Bring a generator and you could theoretically go forever. There might be a way to "squeak" out 2 hours if you don't use the IBIS or viewfinder, turn down the screen to a max, and use a manual focus lens. Again, try that before.

Sorry, you cannot operate the camera while charging with the USB... stupid, I know. The hack isn't really a hack, just put the device in service mode... search the EOSHD forums or go to Youtube for that hack. If you want continuous for 2 hours, AC is the ONLY option.

Possible with a GX85 or "hacked" GX80 and a AC power adapter. However, I've shot photos all day on it. Never had the need for continuous 4k recording like that. Reports say something like 90 minutes of continuous recording (to be confirmed).

Duracell batteries? Not sure what you're talking about. Link?

It's called capitalism, guys. In the end, they'll all be obsolete; yet, they'll still be able to make stories in 2500 (if humanity still exists). Happy thoughts. The GX80/85 was never built with ergonomics as the priority... it's about size of the body, nothing else. Is the GX80/85 more in-line with what MFT is all about anyway or not? My guess it is because if you really want ergonomics, MFT is probably not the answer.

Yeah, this isn't the type of moiré that the human eye will see. I think many 1080p cameras would have this happen in this situation. Go with the 4k and downscale. Another question would be was this a Panasonic lens? The tend to be auto corrected for moiré... I think Panasonic makes a point of not having any sort of correction on non-Panasonic lenses.

My original comment was only concerning IBIS, not Dual IS. I would imagine Dual IS would be consistent with other cameras out there, meaning you get jitters... not a surprise. It would be interesting to see if OIS or IBIS is causing any jitters by turning off IBIS and leaving on OIS. Here's Jack from Panasonic, talking about IBIS. (picked up from 43rumors this morning).

Actually, the GX80 is the first camera I've ever heard of that can its "normal" IBIS on, even when on a tripod. Reports and my experience suggest there no difference. Go figure.

Just a couple of thoughts... IBIS is only taking out my micro-jitters for me and offering a "gentle floating" to the video. If I move too much, you can see it. I can't walk and film really. Focus is always going to be a challenge- the GX80 will NOT autofocus on a moving subject if the camera itself is moving, manual focus is the only way. I agree that the marketing material is confusing and cagey at best. Nevermind the number of inquiries from us to know more about the HDMI port and codecs. They just don't answer. Nevertheless, I fully checked this out months ago before buying GX80. Andrew checked on this, along with countless reviewers to confirm 5-axis IBIS. My understanding of E-stabalization is that the camera takes a further crop, moving around the image on a X and Y axis on the sensor to further stabalize, meaning it's Hybrid 5-axis is 5-axis + extra stabalization (but it crops). Pitch and yaw would require sensor movements to compensate. I've never heard of software compensating for pitch and yaw. However, where do you see that "Body IBIS" is only 3-axis? I only read "normal" IBIS is "Camera shake is corrected for up/down, left/right, and rotational movements." On the face of that phrase, it sounds like 3-axis, but it never says that. Also, "rotational" can mean a lot. Given the confusion, I've come to believe that this is simply a poorly written manual, nothing else.

Have you tried comparing no IS and IBIS, never actually turning on the E-stabalization? If you see no difference, your device might be faulty.

I'll give Hybrid 5-axis a go and report back. IMO the GX80's IBIS is pretty good, taking out almost all the micro-jitters, which is what you really want anyway. Does it replace a tripod? No, but I'm sure if you turn off IBIS altogether, you'll notice a huge difference.

Not sure how the A7II works, but the Panasonic is marketing the GX80 as 5-axis IBIS with the possibility of 2 more in the lens. The A7II "looks" like 3-axis IBIS plus 2-axis in-lens and is noted by reviewers as being not as good as the Panasonic or Olympus options. The GX8's IBIS is said to be 4-axis and isn't as good as the GX80. I'm still confident that it's 5-axis IBIS, regardless of E-stabalization ON or OFF. I would approach the question "Does E-stabalization degrade the image?" the same way as I approach grading. Personally, I would rather have a choice later on... I doubt that Panasonic is doing better stabalization in software than the editors out there. Add to that the idea of a extra crop and I think the upside is only marginal... could be wrong though...