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A7R M2, I mean.

You go safe, the camera is terrific!

Glad to see the future firmware update too.

I also find them useful. We just bought a Shogun for our A7 M2. That test made our purchase. No buyer's remorse.

Blackmagic is the only brand. The price is the small sensor. For Sony full frame without mirror, you cannot dream with bitrate.

These external recorders are the only answer.

Mattias, Emanuel said the same example before. You misunderstood him. He just cares for resolution more than you.

Thank you. Nice shots. My concern is about reliability in continuous shooting. I also thought they would offer only buffering, not continuous even only a few 5 or 4 frames.

So RAW is out of question with electronic shutter?

What else have you discovered? You said so.

A last note only to let who cares noticed, I sent my apologies for my overreacting. Civilized people react accordingly. Glad now to post that the feedback received tops.

@Ebrahim, I appreciate your care. It can be any camera. I just don't understand how this feature can work. I mean, in camera, not post. Time lapse technique in Photo mode? So, RAW too? Continuous shooting without gaps? Not limited for some seconds or few minutes? Electronic shutter without the risk to reduce the life of the equipment? Reliable?

So why the A7R M2 is presented as a new mark for time lapse then? Only because higher resolution?

Yes, I'm afraid we're speaking theoretically and the things will not work in the same way as happens with the Sony cameras in practice where this feature is shown as 25 fps included. There's also a second opinion that there's a good chance Sony is doing some mojo inside the camera. At least they don't require post. Is the post production the only difference and complementary step? Will the result end the same? Yes, I would love to see a test. Normal speed. Identical to that video posted in the first post of this thread. A shootout: a Sony camera versus any other camera to use electronic shutter going with post. We would see then if theory matches real life cases made by Sony. Not arguing exactly about the results. They can be the same. The fact is filmmaking is not only about pictures. The way to arrive there (how easy is, the cost, the number of possible shots with this or that technique, how many minutes of footage in the end of the day, etc) is also a precious piece of the maths. Magic Lantern, for example, isn't a piece of cake for lots of people.

@Ebrahim, I'm sorry to contradict you but the list of contradictions is longer than that. I think you're missing the point of rich, agolex, also my point because you completely ignore the chance of some mojo introduced by Sony based on the electronic shutter of their cameras. Without mention the convenience to have it in camera. No need for post emulation too.

My initial idea: what cameras are doing the same? You have posted those beautiful shots, gave a fair explanation very versatile and complete, but yet unable to prove with a video the same shown with the new Sony cameras.

@Volker, there's nothing to mark in a negative way the past history between me and the other disrespectful poster. I wouldn't consider someone kidding when someone tries to diminish you in front of others. Distorting the sake of the discussion. This is not a soccer's dispute. I only answered in the same tone. My concern is I don't want to lose time with jokes, personal affairs in this thread. 

On topic now, I don't put in doubt what Ebrahim generally and you have written. I just see some questions without to be answered yet. Magic Lantern is a hack. I would like to listen about cameras straight out the box. But, in the end any information is welcome. Thank you.

I insist with no mechanical shutter (really matters for the discussion of this thread), because as others have noticed, electronic shutter is the whole point of this thread to extract from the starting point topic.

Lack of any decency was yours. Any lurker is quick to detect the lighthearted tone of your posts. Unfortunately, you decided to come here and bring to poop in this thread. Go away. I just commented your posts out of this thread. Fact, I hadn't done yet. Think twice, why bother before?

About Ebrahim, dare to become part of his group, you two are of different worlds. Pick up another style to begin with. Regardless, Ebrahim was inaccurate to contradict Rich that this thread was all about time lapse, it is not. Much about electronic shutter than anything else. Still mistaken when insisted to deny Sony is showing 25 fps (and not 5 fps) but so far, still unable to prove to Rich and me what Sony is doing. In contradiction again when says Sony is not duplicating frames. He wrote it, not me!

Rich defied him to "Tell me one mirrored camera that can shoot continuously for 25mins at 5 frames a second with each frame exposed continuously without a gap". He only mentioned the ML 550D. And vaguely later, a list of cameras in the middle of a list of contradictions. It is not lack of respect, they are facts.

First, read (not only rich and me, no need to follow my posts) before to try to play the funny guy: 

Correct. I think the point is the door the electronic shutter opens. I think a few people missed the reason for this thread. To shoot with a real slow shutter doesn't mean mechanical shutter anymore. You'd finish with yours in the end of a week if you'd go to the street from Monday to Friday to shoot 2 hours of slow shutter footage per day. I still wonder which Canon DSLR cameras allow it, for example.

I never shot time lapse, so I am also interested to know what cameras allow me to shoot continuously (not buffer, not mechanical shutter), limited to the battery, 5 frames per second for example?

Thank you for your explanation. I just don't understand or can't agree to not call them duplicated frames. Why? Each frame corresponds to a picture. I mean, if each JPEG corresponds to 5 frames, there are 5 identical frames of each JPEG (5 different frames within the 25 fps timeline), so? Duplicated frames (per each different JPEG in a total of 5). It is not like that?

I see, poor humor is a real bitch... haha

Have you taken your medicine today? Or is it only cheap humor?

Put out of here you and your insane posts. What do you think? Your nonsense is already known of your readers. At least of this lurker here before you had ever noticed of this thread. Speaking of devil, I'm still waiting for a fair explanation on the duplicated frames, refuted but still to be clarified.

So, why and how to say there are not duplicated frames?

Now my turn to say there's a physical impossibility... 5 fps are 5 fps, 25 fps are 25 fps. If we have 5 frames within a 25 fps container (at normal speed), 20 frames must be exact duplicated frames of the other 5 frames. Otherwise, they would appear sped up when playback at 25 fps , correct?

Okay, thanks. I'd love to see it but at normal speed. That's the point of this thread. That video made with the new Sony camera is 25 fps (not shown at 5 fps!) though.

If there aren't duplicated frames, what did they do to have it in the end at 25 fps but not sped up?

I'm sorry but I still think you're missing the point here. Because I mean continuous video mode (25 or 24, 5 or 4 frames per second) and burst mode are only a few seconds. I don't have experience with time lapse, true. But, with time lapse you end to speed up your footage. That video with the new Sony is normal speed. You say it now it is possible to do it with the other cameras. Okay, I appreciate your offer. 

But, don't forget, no mechanical shutter and continuous shooting, not burst mode, not only a few seconds!

I only have here with me now a GH1.

You shouldn't. Why? To begin with, because there are other readers lol but, also because you're saying accurate information in an inaccurate way. Anyone here discussed what you said? (1/frame-rate as physical limit for shutter speed) No.

Or the continuous shooting in photo mode each modern camera has it? No.

So? You didn't care about continuous shooting in video mode with much slower (than the physical limitation you mention) shutter speed effect and particular mojo shown in that video shot with the new Sony camera (that's the whole reason for this thread).

Ah, but they (Sony) duplicate frames. So what? What's the problem with that? Do the other brands have the same in their cameras? In video continuous mode? We can shoot a few frames but we are limited to the burst of the camera for a few seconds. We can also shoot time lapse, yes. But then? The electronic shutter now is a dream for time lapse shooting because of life cycles of a mechanical shutter. But, I think you will not have it in continuous video mode in the same way like Sony or any other camera shooting at 25fps (PAL) at 1/25th of a second for shutter. Am I wrong?

I don't doubt. But you are inaccurate here.

To begin with, you say it is the same. It isn't: GH4 does variable frame rate BUT 1080p, so?

Then it is easier to understand me the OP I am not intending to use a mechanical shutter (with limited cycles of use) but looking after 24 or 25fps video look you repeatedly say it is not possible to go slower than 1/24th of shutter, so?

Where those cameras are doing 1/4th at normal speed of 24 or 25fps look? (slowest shutter in video mode with my GH1 for example is 1/30)

Didn't you say it is impossible? You're entering in contradiction lol

Really? This guy says exactly the opposite about the a7rii:

http://eriknaso.com/2015/08/25/first-day-with-the-sony-a7rii-shooting-internal-4k-ibis-slog2-test/

I thought it was the same AF technology in both cameras, it isn't??

But, it isn't the same... https://vimeo.com/135120108

It is?

Seems you guys think there's some contest here to show off Sony. It is not.

There's a feature. Topic of this thread. What are the cameras to do it (4k without the abuse of mechanical shutter)?

Some Sony. What else?

Signs a brand agnostic.

You're only disrupting the original topic of the idea.

1) https://vimeo.com/135120108

2) In your Canons the MECHANICAL shutter will end in a 150,000 cycle...

What part didn't you understand?

Are you sure? Funny, my GH1 doesn't allow me to go lower than 1/30th. Making videos at normal speed, not odd frame rates.

I am not. The point is you come with 1fps, 2 fps... Didn't you understand the original topic?
 24/25fps, 24/25fps, 24/25fps... And if people here prefer to believe always in the some fancy boring theory that's not possible because of this or that, it can work it out to your books, but Sony proves 24/25fps is possible with 1/4th shutter. Period. I am only trying to know what cameras of different brands do the same.