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3 hours ago, Emanuel said:

To those who still praise action cameras look ; ) beyond the obvious limitations also shown by Mavic, here's some chance to compare both:

:P

hahaha I agree! Good catch!

3 hours ago, Emanuel said:

 

 

:-)

Really sucks! He says. So gopro does not?? He says he speaks as filmmaker.... Really? As filmmaker or news shooter??

Funny, people have no idea what it means to be filmmaker. Not even what filmic means. Strange days.

I don't find Phantom 4 any better than Mavic. I find Mavic better than the phantom 4, gopro, etc with their oversharpened settings.

I agree with Pavel.

3 hours ago, Taranis said:

The last video is very soft around the edges

This can give an interesting unique filmic feel....

On 28/10/2016 at 9:14 PM, fuzzynormal said:

 I had my romance with aerials. It's seductive, but it's not enough to build a healthy narrative relationship. 

Oh my goodness, you will not build a narrative only with it, will you?

9 hours ago, wolf33d said:

Now tell me again DJI IQ is superior to GoPro. 

@Emanuel

 

message from the video author in the comments:

Honestly I almost left the shots untouched. Some I didn't touch at all such as the 2.7 linear shots. No noise reduction, no sharpening, didn't do any external color correction!

Not bad. Nevertheless, I like Mavic better than gopro.

14 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

Yes. Normal. Thus, worthwhile?  In other words, since the thing is easily do-able and many many people are capable of doing it, what value does it have?

Should one use it just because one can, or can the visuals it offers be implemented creatively?

I had a corporate client demand it on a recent production "just because," and I felt it ultimately looked ridiculous. Ostentatious for no particular reason.  It actually was detrimental to the video. The shots had no motivation. They were just there because the client thought it looked cool. 

Everything must be balanced. For example, people are crazy with slow motion. Put this effect everywhere. It is the same crap.

8 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

I have to say I'm intrigued by the Mavic, I travel a lot and the fact that its less than 2 lbs and so damn small makes it something I can throw in my camera backpack and carry almost anywhere. Small differences in footage between the Phantom or the Karma are less significant than actually getting the shot for me. 

I am 100% with you. Nevertheless, I like Mavic pictures better.

Just now, fuzzynormal said:

I do wonder if, instead of debating about the tool, we should consider that the value of aerial shots is overrated?

You mean the use of aerial shots? It is normal no? New tools, new languages, I think.

Very true. DOF matters.

These videos are greatly appreciated.

Another video from same source...why I find Mavic better:

They are different but I'd fly with Mavic any day. Sharp edges look very video to me. Mavic seems more pleasant to the eyes.

3 hours ago, Fredrik Lyhne said:

Gopro 4/5/Phantom 4

Excess of sharpness is masked by nature landscapes.

2 hours ago, Cinegain said:

footage with ugly color.

That makes no sense. There's D-Log.

At the end, there's no ugly color these days anymore.

1 hour ago, nffclml2ppl said:

you must take those terrible sharp edges for terrific hehe

Nature landscape, no problem. Building edges are terrible though.

I am considering a mobile solution among these ones:

http://us.vaio.com/vaio-z-canvas

https://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-au/devices/surface-pro-4#techspec-block

https://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/devices/surface-book#techspec-block

I've read scaring reports on the reliability of Microsoft offer, so is Vaio route better?

Vaio Z Canvas has a quad-core Intel Core i7-4770HQ Intel® Iris™ Pro Graphics 5200.
Surface Pro 4, dual-core Intel Core i7-6650U with Intel’s premium graphics, the Intel Iris 540.
Surface book, dual-core Intel Core i7-6600U chip with Intel’s HD Graphics 520 integrated GPU inside + NVIDIA GeForce GPU with 1GB GDDR5 memory.
All of them, up to 16GB.

Much difference among them?

8 hours ago, Fredrik Lyhne said:

I haven't used it, but I believe that If you mess with PID you breach warranty. I'm not 100% sure though. Check out Cheesy Cam, Dave Dugdale etc

 

So, does it work straight out of the box?

That's really nice!

6 hours ago, Fredrik Lyhne said:

Agreed. I think on the Came TV gimbal's you actually can't mess around with PID settings, but I'm done with gimbals for a while. Let's wait and see how Panasonic B.I.S works!

Is Came TV a safe bet on settings?

I meant wear other than mechanical shutter. Does electronic shutter have zero wear? No, isn't it? Does A7RII have the same wear with slowest shutter speed in video mode?

6 hours ago, DayRaven said:

You're welcome, any camera with electronic shutters - which is any camera with a video mode has zero wear on the mechanics when that is engaged.

If in doubt, take a single still photo, listen to the sound with electronic shutter engaged and disengaged. When it is using the mechanical shuitter you can hear, and often feel the mechanism working. Do a test shoot in your chosen mode, just a few seconds won't put any appreciable milage on your camers and it will quickly be apparent from the noise whether you are or not putting wear on the camera Good luck and have fun!

19 minutes ago, DayRaven said:

You're welcome, any camera with electronic shutters - which is any camera with a video mode has zero wear on the mechanics when that is engaged.

If in doubt, take a single still photo, listen to the sound with electronic shutter engaged and disengaged. When it is using the mechanical shuitter you can hear, and often feel the mechanism working. Do a test shoot in your chosen mode, just a few seconds won't put any appreciable milage on your camers and it will quickly be apparent from the noise whether you are or not putting wear on the camera Good luck and have fun!

That one I understood. I am just wondering if the wear on the camera with the electronic shutter using the G7 is the same going with the A7RII in video mode / slowest shutter speed...

2 hours ago, DayRaven said:

If it's in a video mode - options 1, 2 or 3 from my post, it won't use the mechanical shutter, so you're fine. If you're using option 4, manual stills mode, you must ensure you engage the electronic shutter, not the mechanical one because yes, it will put wear on the mechanism

Thank you for help. I know mechanical shutter has a short cycle of life for multiple frames per second for sure.

About the electronic shutter, no more wear than to use it comparing with A7RII going on 1/5th shutter once in this latter case (A7RII) is video mode??

8 hours ago, DayRaven said:

I don't know specifically with the G7, but there are four ways and the G7 will be able to do one for sure:

 

1) Set your frame rate very low, e.g. 5fps - This will give you that stop start motion effect.

Set your shutter speed very long, e.g. 1/5 of a second - This will give that motion blur in each frame.

 

2) Set your frame rate to the same as the rest of your project, e.g. 25fps

Set your shutter speed very long, longer than theoretically possible with the fps, e.g. 1/5 of a second

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If your camera lets you choose a very low framerate, or a shutter speed much longer than your framerate, then choosing method 1 or 2 will give you easy, quick predictable results. Not all cameras do though, so you may find you can only choose 1 or 2 not both, or maybe you can't choose either, in which case you will have to use 3 or 4 below:

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3) Switch into timelapse mode, set the number of pictures taken every second to a low number, e.g. 5

Set the shutter speed very long, e.g. 1/5 of a second

 

4) Set your camera to Manual Stills mode, choose an electronic shutter to reduce wear and tear, set your shutter speed long e.g. 1/5 of a second

Choose a burst mode, it's worth investigating third party remotes if your camera has limited burst modes.

Stitch the resultant batch of photo's together into a video clip in post process

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These options can be fiddely to get working properly, a good timelapse mode can give you a great many options and when you understand, you can use them to get excellent results. Setting your camera to M mode in stills can be an exercise in frustration, but when it works well,  you can get the highest quality results, especially if you shoot in raw, but expect to spend a lot longer getting it right both in camera at the time and in post process.

But, even able to do one for sure, this "one" can end to devastate the shutter, no?

My point is: can G7 offer the same as A7RII?

A7RII offers slow shutter in video 25fps 4K. Can I mimic the same with G7 or similar camera without devastating the shutter?

@ebrahim, okay, I have now a G7 ready in hands. Now, can you explain to me how can I mimic this effect here? https://vimeo.com/135120108

Played a bit for first time today. Nothing scientific. To the eye, you don't notice any difference. My friend will grade it. We'll see his findings.

8 bit can be enough. Compression is the problem. External recorder better for video.

I would also think of a recorder for video. Tests with A7 M2 8 bit 422 output (ProRes) show better results.

Output A7R M2 is 8 bit 422. Better bit rate, less compression help. That test posted by Emanuel is correct.

We will test with a GH4 of a friend of us. I can inform you later.

It is clear internal 4:2:0 is much compressed. 4:2:2, higher bitrate. You miss the point of Emanuel. He didn't say 4:2:0 is the reason for banding. He said you don't need 10 bit to avoid banding. Higher bitrate 4:2:2 is okay. I've done tests with the Shogun. Same results of that test.